Trump-Mueller tensions escalate

[ProVobis]

Yes, voter fraud is funny, but no worries that’ll change soon. And then we’ll see who has the last laugh.

Let’s see, you have control of the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency and you’re still complaining?

 

[josie_L]

Since there are hordes of undocumented immigrants deciding our national elections it would be smart for Republicans to try to appeal more to them

It would be better to create a voter fraud commission and build a wall.

 

[josie_L]

Let’s see, you have control of the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency and you’re still complaining?

Because we have to deal with this faux allegation that is trying to delegitimize a duly elected president, that’s why!

 

[Jig_Saw]

They haven’t explained anything that even remotely answers my questions concisely and adequately, i.e. , there is no evidence other than suspicion and one failed meeting (which we only knew after said investigations started) that warrants having this investigation? Such investigations based on allegations with unsupported evidence are nothing more than witch hunts!

Moreover, it was the very flawed and unverified Steele dossier that first claimed a Russia/Trump collusion, which was then forwarded by Fusion GPS to the media and Democrats who promulgated it.

Yep, I’d have to say that there is no way I can answer Josie’s questions concisely and adequately to satisfy her needs.

 

[LilyM]

They haven’t explained anything that even remotely answers my questions concisely and adequately, i.e. , there is no evidence other than suspicion and one failed meeting (which we only knew after said investigations started) that warrants having this investigation? Such investigations based on allegations with unsupported evidence are nothing more than witch hunts!

Moreover, it was the very flawed and unverified Steele dossier that first claimed a Russia/Trump collusion, which was then forwarded by Fusion GPS to the media and Democrats who promulgated it.

Hang on - what evidence other than suspicion is really necessary? Many a police warrant and criminal charge requires nothing more than “reasonable suspicion”.

Given Trump’s behaviour, during the campaign let alone since, there is certainly some justification for suspicion that he has improper (for a sitting US President) ties to Russia and has been guilty of improper (for a sitting US President) financial practices and dealings.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Seems strange the guy behind the dossier is refusing to come and testify?

 

[sallybutler]

Yep, I’d have to say that there is no way I can answer Josie’s questions concisely and adequately to satisfy her needs.

Which is funny, considering she lives in Canada, not the U.S.A. Contrary to the belief of some, Canada is not the 51st state.

 

[josie_L]

Seems strange the guy behind the dossier is refusing to come and testify?

Yes (Fusion GPS founder, Smith), and to parrot posters here it’s suspicious behaviour, in fact, the whole situation surrounding the Steele dossier is suspicious, i.e., according to Steele his dossier was not meant to go public because his sources were not verified, yet Fusion GPS went ahead and gave said dossier to Democrats and the Media. It is this dossier that first claimed a Russia/Trump collusion.

 

[josie_L]

Hang on - what evidence other than suspicion is really necessary? Many a police warrant and criminal charge requires nothing more than “reasonable suspicion”.

Given Trump’s behaviour, during the campaign let alone since, there is certainly some justification for suspicion that he has improper (for a sitting US President) ties to Russia and has been guilty of improper (for a sitting US President) financial practices and dealings.

His financial dealings with Russia are not what precipitated the investigation , in fact, it was the allegation that Russia and Trump worked together to influence the election that did. So apart from a failed meeting between Trump and a private Russian citizen, which was revealed only after said investigation ( and not even by the investigators but NYT), what reasonable suspicions were there to warrant this investigation? It was not furthermore suspicious behaviour that brought us to the attention of a Russia/Trump narrative, because the source that started it all is a flawed and unverified dossier made public by Fusion GPS, a company that was working with Hillary’s campaign to find dirt on Trump.

 

[josie_L]

Yep, I’d have to say that there is no way I can answer Josie’s questions concisely and adequately to satisfy her needs.

Because there are no justifiably valid reasons to believe in a Trump/Russia collusion, and the suspicions are only suspicious now (financial dealings with Russia) because of a flawed dossier, which set up the narrative of the Russia/Trump collusion, i.e., it is this much disproved Steele dossier that first claimed this collusion. And it was propagated by Democrats and the Media with the help of Fusion GPS that made it available to them.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Because there are no justifiably valid reasons to believe in a Trump/Russia collusion, and the suspicions are only suspicious now (financial dealings with Russia) because of a flawed dossier, which set up the narrative of the Russia/Trump collusion, i.e., it is this much disproved Steele dossier that first claimed this collusion. And it was propagated by Democrats and the Media with the help of Fusion GPS that made it available to them.

Exactly, you believe there is no reason to believe in a Trump/Russia collusion despite the evidence of Junior’s emails, so there is no reason to explain it to you further.

 

[mary_bobo]

Because we have to deal with this faux allegation that is trying to delegitimize a duly elected president, that’s why!

 

[Luke6_37]

Which is funny, considering she lives in Canada, not the U.S.A. Contrary to the belief of some, Canada is not the 51st state.

OMG - you’re absolutely right and I never noticed! If she’s so concerned about “Making America Great Again” perhaps she should live here. Although it must be nice to have publicly funded healthcare.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Because there are no justifiably valid reasons to believe in a Trump/Russia collusion, and the suspicions are only suspicious now (financial dealings with Russia) because of a flawed dossier, which set up the narrative of the Russia/Trump collusion, i.e., it is this much disproved Steele dossier that first claimed this collusion. And it was propagated by Democrats and the Media with the help of Fusion GPS that made it available to them.

They don’t seem to remember this point.

 

[7_Sorrows]

OMG - you’re absolutely right and I never noticed! If she’s so concerned about “Making America Great Again” perhaps she should live here. Although it must be nice to have publicly funded healthcare.

There are several posters from Canada here who care about what is going on in our
country. Just as I pay attention to who the leaders are in Canada and Mexico.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Exactly, you believe there is no reason to believe in a Trump/Russia collusion despite the evidence of Junior’s emails, so there is no reason to explain it to you further.

What in the emails proved there was collusion?

 

[Joyful_Song]

Because we have to deal with this faux allegation that is trying to delegitimize a duly elected president, that’s why!

Faux allegation? Wouldn’t it be prudent to allow Mueller to finish the investigation before declaring it false? When it doesn’t fit your agenda is it acceptable to say it’s false? For example, Trump declared that polls are correct only if they are in his favour and lies if they are negative.

Knowing the difference between facts and opinions. A fact is a statement that can be proven true or false. An opinion is an expression of a person’s feelings that cannot be proven. Opinions can be based on facts or emotions and sometimes they are meant to deliberately mislead others.

If there is irrefutable proof that Trump colluded with the Russians during the election, and if there is proof that he conducts illegal treasonous business will you accept it or deny it because it’s not part of your agenda?

 

[7_Sorrows]

Faux allegation? Wouldn’t it be prudent to allow Mueller to finish the investigation before declaring it false? When it doesn’t fit your agenda is it acceptable to say it’s false? For example, Trump declared that polls are correct only if they are in his favour and lies if they are negative.

Knowing the difference between facts and opinions. A fact is a statement that can be proven true or false. An opinion is an expression of a person’s feelings that cannot be proven. Opinions can be based on facts or emotions and sometimes they are meant to deliberately mislead others.

If there is irrefutable proof that Trump colluded with the Russians during the election, and if there is proof that he conducts illegal treasonous business will you accept it or deny it because it’s not part of your agenda?

A fact is republicans earned about 7 times as much from their donors during June
than the democrats.
A poll show more people think the democrats stand for opposing Trump than stand
on anything else.
That doesn’t sound like good news for the democrat party.

 

[josie_L]

Exactly, you believe there is no reason to believe in a Trump/Russia collusion despite the evidence of Junior’s emails, so there is no reason to explain it to you further.

But as I’ve already stated before, this revelation came after said investigation began, moreover, Junior’s emails actually invalidates the belief that Trump was in Russia’s back pocket to influence the election, why would you need dirt on Clinton from a Russian private citizen when Trump/Russia were already in cahoots together to bring her down?

 

[josie_L]

OMG - you’re absolutely right and I never noticed! If she’s so concerned about “Making America Great Again” perhaps she should live here. Although it must be nice to have publicly funded healthcare.

I’m taking “love thy neighbour” to a whole new level.