Trump-Mueller tensions escalate

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7_Sorrows said:
I thought Obama care was supposed to be so great!
If people are without healthcare it is because they prefer to pay the fine rather than the high premiums!
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And, as with the ACA, the Congress will not have to go on any plan they come up with. Don’t expect the Dems to help fix the mess they made. I recall Obama saying that the country was not ready for single payer yet and they would have to go step by step. The ACA, which was designed to fail, is the first step.
 
Luke6_37 said:
You think telling people the truth is a waste of time? How sad.
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Respectfully, I don’t think that’s what the poster was saying. I think the poster’s point was that there is nothing that will change the views of some people here on CAF. I don’t think the poster was saying that sharing the truth isn’t important (on a related note, “factual information” would be better than “the truth”) but rather providing a caution to those who may have spent less time on CAF that doing so all to often falls on invincibly deaf/partisan ears.
 
josie_L said:
But as I’ve already stated before, this revelation came after said investigation began, moreover, Junior’s emails actually invalidates the belief that Trump was in Russia’s back pocket to influence the election, why would you need dirt on Clinton from a Russian private citizen when Trump/Russia were already in cahoots together to bring her down?
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And, as I stated before, this is evidence available to us, the general public, that more than justifies the investigation and we have no idea what the investigators know and when.

And, the emails invalidate nothing you said.

But I doubt I will sway you on this matter and I guess we must respectfully disagree.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am over 65. I have never had Obama care, but I would have paid a fine rather than pay the high premiums!
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The Affordable Care Act is not an insurance policy. If you’re insured or have health care coverage through the government due to your age, you are in compliance with the Affordable Care Act. In that sense, you are **on **“Obamacare.”

The Affordable Care Act, if it comes to it, is more of a tax penalty that kicks in if you don’t get yourself health insurance. It is a stick intended to make people “who can afford” health insurance contribute according to their means towards getting some. The “carrot” part includes subsidies for a substantial number of peopple, but the idea is to force everyone possible to get covered by some kind of health insurance so they won’t be sticking everyone who does have health coverage with their health care costs when they have a medical problem they don’t have the money to pay for. It is also intended, of course, to lower the number of people who don’t have insurance, get sick or seriously injured, and then get totally cleaned out financially by the ordeal.

In other words, it isn’t really a health care law. It is a health insurance law.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am over 65. I have never had Obama care, but I would have paid a fine rather than
pay the high premiums!
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So you are using Medicare? You know you don’t have to use it. You can pay for everything yourself. It is allowed.
 
mary_bobo said:
And, as with the ACA, the Congress will not have to go on any plan they come up with. Don’t expect the Dems to help fix the mess they made. I recall Obama saying that the country was not ready for single payer yet and they would have to go step by step. The ACA, which was designed to fail, is the first step.
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Bingo!đź‘Ť
 
sallybutler said:
So you are using Medicare? You know you don’t have to use it. You can pay for everything yourself. It is allowed.
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Yes I have Plans A and B through Medicare (plan B I pay for out of my social
security) and then I have a 0 pay Humana Advantage Plan.
 
jesucated said:
Respectfully, I don’t think that’s what the poster was saying. I think the poster’s point was that there is nothing that will change the views of some people here on CAF. I don’t think the poster was saying that sharing the truth isn’t important (on a related note, “factual information” would be better than “the truth”) but rather providing a caution to those who may have spent less time on CAF that doing so all to often falls on invincibly deaf/partisan ears.
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That is correct. Thank you.
 
EasterJoy said:
The Affordable Care Act is not an insurance policy. If you’re insured or have health care coverage through the government due to your age, you are in compliance with the Affordable Care Act. In that sense, you are **on **“Obamacare.”

The Affordable Care Act, if it comes to it, is more of a tax penalty that kicks in if you don’t get yourself health insurance. It is a stick intended to make people “who can afford” health insurance contribute according to their means towards getting some. The “carrot” part includes subsidies for a substantial number of peopple, but the idea is to force everyone possible to get covered by some kind of health insurance so they won’t be sticking everyone who does have health coverage with their health care costs when they have a medical problem they don’t have the money to pay for. It is also intended, of course, to lower the number of people who don’t have insurance, get sick or seriously injured, and then get totally cleaned out financially by the ordeal.

In other words, it isn’t really a health care law. It is a health insurance law.
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It isn’t even quite a health insurance law, and Medicare isn’t either. Medicare is a pure welfare program. Nothing more or less.

Obamacare is primarily an income redistribution program. Some 20 million people don’t have insurance despite Obamacare. Most who had employment-based insurance still have it; except of course for those who were forced into less than 30 hour employment due to Obamacare. But despite the fact that those with employment-based insurance mostly still have it, and despite the fact that the mandates make it needlessly expensive, corporations still benefit from the “well worker effect”; which is effectively a subsidy to industry.

Some are pushed onto Medicaid, which is a welfare program. The rest are forced onto the “exchanges”, which are a “pool” of those who are least insurable combined with small businesses and self-employed, i.e. an income redistribution plan.

The whole thing is an insane hodgepodge.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Hang on,get ready to be accused of taking welfare!:rolleyes:
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I am sure that neither you nor 7 Sorrows would be in that group of people who who don’t want the government to take from one group to give to another or to burden our collective grandchildren. You’re welcome (I pay medicare taxes for you to see a doctor, and I am proud that I can).

Reminds me of the signs people carried say Keep your government hands off my Medicare. :rotfl:
 
Jeanne_S said:
Hang on,get ready to be accused of taking welfare!:rolleyes:
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I would not favor abolition of Medicare. However, it really is a welfare program, and should be means tested. There is no justification in having working families pay for the medical coverage of those who can afford their own. That means testing would probably not eliminate very many from the Medicare rolls, but I simply do not favor paying for the medical coverage for those who do not need it.
 
sallybutler said:
I am sure that neither you nor 7 Sorrows would be in that group of people who who don’t want the government to take from one group to give to another or to burden our collective grandchildren. You’re welcome (I pay medicare taxes for you to see a doctor, and I am proud that I can).

Reminds me of the signs people carried say Keep your government hands off my Medicare. :rotfl:
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I am not on Medicare yet so I still pays those taxes too.Ss and Medicarecare the essence of entitlements.We the citizenry have been forced to pay into these programs.So yes,I will happily take whT is due me.Having said that,the gov.mishandeling funds certainly is a problem and they are never held accountable.I assume by your comments you intend to forego your SS and Medicare benefits? Good for you.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I would not favor abolition of Medicare. However, it really is a welfare program, and should be means tested. There is no justification in having working families pay for the medical coverage of those who can afford their own. That means testing would probably not eliminate very many from the Medicare rolls, but I simply do not favor paying for the medical coverage for those who do not need it.
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Didn’tvWarren Buffet propose something like this?
 
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