Trump-Mueller tensions escalate

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DaddyGirl said:
Yeah. He has free will.
And that will be his downfall.

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Or his attribute.

Here’s the thing. The executive branch has been given incredible power over the previous two presidents. Bush used 9-11 and a war to extend the executive branch, and Obama raised it tenfold. The executive branch has initiated wars, ignored laws governing safety and security with immigration and governed almost exclusively from a pen for 16 years.
And now the CEO of the branch is being investigated by the branch he is CEO over…
Congress can act. But they won’t unless it is so outlandish they have to.

Also, I think ultimately the Russia ties will be either ghosts, or a hypocritical arm of the democrats with Hillary.

One thing for certain FX picked the wrong year to end its show “the Americans”. I expect a spinoff set in modern times!!!
 
EasterJoy said:
Well?

The President has to know that the investigation into his connection to anyone in Russia who was connected to that country’s quadrennial ventures into our elections is not going to be over until it is over. He knows he cannot fire and pardon his way out of it.

He knows that, right?
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Whatever.

Not much benefit that comes out in speculating, does it?
 
DaddyGirl said:
No, he doesn’t know that.
And if he did, he doesn’t care. He does not think that way–like a normal, logical person would. He’s delusional. You can see that, right?
He does what he wants to do by impulse, only thinking of himself. If someone is in his way, he gets rid of them.

If he tries to fire Mueller, that will be the end of him. I dare him–DARE HIM–to try!!

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His speech to the Boy Scouts goes a long way in proving your point. He appears to be deteriorating daily. More tweets this morning.,
 
DaddyGirl said:
No, he doesn’t know that.
And if he did, he doesn’t care. He does not think that way–like a normal, logical person would. He’s delusional. You can see that, right?
He does what he wants to do by impulse, only thinking of himself. If someone is in his way, he gets rid of them.

If he tries to fire Mueller, that will be the end of him. I dare him–DARE HIM–to try!!

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Outside the Acela corridor, how many people know or care who Robert Mueller is? Which of Trump’s support base is going to bail over firing Mueller? I’m sure Rachel, Mika, and Joe will have cows over it, but who else is really going to care?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I think calling him delusional is uncharitable and disrespectful to him and his supporters. I find him quite adept at presidential leadership and an quite proud of his efforts.
He has earned my vote.

I do agree that it’s political suicide to fire mueller. But then again, perhaps he IS playing s different game. Impeachment is a possibility within 4 to 8 years. But not removal from office. And his ego ( an asset if you ask me) will not allow him to resign as Nixon did. But I doubt very much there is anything of substance with the Russian probe.
To the dems credit the strategy to stymie him by casting him as an illegitimate puppet will make his job harder. But if they want to chase ghosts instead of come up with a political alternative to the republican agenda.? Be my guest. I’ll take 8 years of trump any day!
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It wasn’t really that uncharitable. Around here most dissention concerning T gets that label. I pray for him, for his ongoing Christian growth and conversion, and a swift end to his time as president.
 
Sojourner003 said:
His speech to the Boy Scouts goes a long way in proving your point. He appears to be deteriorating daily. More tweets this morning.,
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Yeah, doing his bit to mold future leaders by criticizing the previous President, talking (repeatedly) about the size of the crowd, and railing against the press.

To be fair, he also said some good things about the importance of Boy Scout principles and good citizenship. You can find the full transcript at time.com
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
I don’t get why he goes off on stream of thought rants when he has a prepared speech that probably was more appropriate to begin with. He just doesn’t care about how he is perceived. And the Scouts were there for the jamboree. Not to see him specificalky. He acts like the crowd size is indicative of his popularity.
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And his base doesn’t care, either. it would be a mistake to assume that ethics, honesty, legality, or morality really matter. They don’t. The American people don’t think that way any more. approximately half the country will love him because he has an “R” next to his name. The other half will hate him for the same reason. Partisanship is the currency of the realm, and nothing matters except winning.

Donald Trump is the first president that seems to understand this.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
I don’t get why he goes off on stream of thought rants when he has a prepared speech that probably was more appropriate to begin with. He just doesn’t care about how he is perceived. And the Scouts were there for the jamboree. Not to see him specifically. He acts like the crowd size is indicative of his popularity.a
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I think that no matter what the occasion everything has to get back to how wonderful he is. It’s always all about him. I’ve read aids put his name into the daily security briefings so he will read through the bullet points if for no other reason to find out about himself. There’s something wrong here.
 
Brassring said:
And his base doesn’t care, either. it would be a mistake to assume that ethics, honesty, legality, or morality really matter. They don’t. The American people don’t think that way any more. approximately half the country will love him because he has an “R” next to his name. The other half will hate him for the same reason. Partisanship is the currency of the realm, and nothing matters except winning.

Donald Trump is the first president that seems to understand this.
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I don’t disagree and I’m truly saddened that this is the state we are in.
 
Brassring said:
And his base doesn’t care, either. it would be a mistake to assume that ethics, honesty, legality, or morality really matter. They don’t. The American people don’t think that way any more. approximately half the country will love him because he has an “R” next to his name. The other half will hate him for the same reason. Partisanship is the currency of the realm, and nothing matters except winning.

Donald Trump is the first president that seems to understand this.
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I’m not persuaded of this. Not yet, anyway. Think for a moment about the major complaints against Trump. Does anyone truly believe his ethics worse than that of LBJ or politicians generally? And his “morals”? He has been divorced like a huge percentage of the population. Are we to think his “locker room talk” worse than Bill Clinton’s deeds; or JFK’s deeds?

Americans tend to take politicians as they find them, in those ways.

It’s not a matter of the “R”, either. More conservative Americans all the time find that unattractive, just as they find the “D” unattractive.

It’s none of that with his supporters.
 
EasterJoy said:
Well?

The President has to know that the investigation into his connection to anyone in Russia who was connected to that country’s quadrennial ventures into our elections is not going to be over until it is over. He knows he cannot fire and pardon his way out of it.

He knows that, right?
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So what did Russia do wrong? What did Trump do wrong? How did Russia interfere with our election? Have we interfere in our countries election? If russian interfere did it really make a difference?
 
mdgspencer said:
President Nixon fired a special prosecutor, in what was called “the Saturday night massacre,” and it looked bad. I well remember it happening since I was about 20 then.
If President Trump fired the special prosecutor, the Democrats would scream about it, along with the mainstream media. However, I expect the sizable chuck of the population that support Trump would think it okay–it seems clear that the present special prosecutor is actually a Democratic operative and I would think that they would consider him intent on searching for information on doing Trump harm, rather than investigating any Russian connection…
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A democratic operative? To quote Paul Ryan: “Remember, Bob Mueller is a Republican who was appointed by a Republican, who served in the Republican administration.”
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’m not persuaded of this. Not yet, anyway. Think for a moment about the major complaints against Trump. Does anyone truly believe his ethics worse than that of LBJ or politicians generally? And his “morals”? He has been divorced like a huge percentage of the population. Are we to think his “locker room talk” worse than Bill Clinton’s deeds; or JFK’s deeds?

Americans tend to take politicians as they find them, in those ways.

It’s not a matter of the “R”, either. More conservative Americans all the time find that unattractive, just as they find the “D” unattractive.

It’s none of that with his supporters.
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I wish that were so, but it’s not. Most of his supporters that I know absolutely hated him until Cruz dropped out. Then, they flipped on a dime. He was their guy, their hero, practically the second coming. And, they’ll love him until another “R” starts winning.

Please don’t think that my criticism of Trump means that I like anyone on the other side. I was an “R” most of my life, just as partisan and bullheaded as they come. I know that Trump’s morality is no worse (and arguably no better) than past presidents.

The current political climate began with Bill and Hillary Clinton. Before them, a politician had to give the illusion of ethical behavior and a moral lifestyle to remain viable. That changed with the impeachment. They successfully changed the narrative to “Yeah, it was unseemly, but he wasn’t breaking any laws.”

With Clinton, the standard for political viability changed from an illusion of morality to an illusion of legality. The bitter partisanship and questionable executive function under George W. Bush and Barack Obama changed the standard again, from an illusion of legality to a partisan majority. as long as a president or politician can remain part of a partisan majority, they are untouchable. They are protected.

They can do. Whatever. They want.
 
DaddyGirl said:
No, he doesn’t know that.
And if he did, he doesn’t care. He does not think that way–like a normal, logical person would. He’s delusional. You can see that, right?
He does what he wants to do by impulse, only thinking of himself. If someone is in his way, he gets rid of them.

If he tries to fire Mueller, that will be the end of him. I dare him–DARE HIM–to try!!

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You know that the DOJ would take over the investigation, right? So, no it would not be the end of him. He just as to fire Mueller in a way that is as transparent as possible and then relay the reasons therein for firing him, i.e., they have to be plausible reasons.
 
josie_L said:
You know that the DOJ would take over the investigation, right? So, no it would not be the end of him. He just as to fire Mueller in a way that is as transparent as possible and the relay the reasons therein for firing him, i.e., they have to be plausible reasons.
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The DOJ appointed Mueller. What actual proof is there that he’s not capable in investigating?
 
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