Trump-Mueller tensions escalate

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If Sessions resigns or is fired, the left will begin organizing massive protests to unleash the minute they get the news that Mueller has been fired too. Protests will begin peacefully, but then become violent as Trump supporters clash with Trump opponents. People will get hurt, some might die, and property will be destroyed. The media on each side will blame the other & ditto-heads on both sides will uncritically believe the propaganda they consume.
 
dvdjs said:
The question was about proof, not wild allegations.
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Ha ha, that’s funny considering that the Russia/Trump collusion to influence the election is a wild allegation.

But nevertheless, there is evidence that his team is leaking information and that shows poor leadership on the part of Mueller and/or possible culpability. As for the partisanship, I do not believe I exaggerate when I say there are too many Democratic donors to Hillary. And his connection to Comey does not bode well.
 
josie_L said:
Ha ha, that’s funny considering that the Russia/Trump collusion to influence the election is a wild allegation.
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If you are claiming only sufficient cause for an investigation, not proof, then you might have been clear in saying so, rather than responding to the question as though you had proof.
Even a claim of cause, however, is a wild stretch.
 
Or he could force Sessions to resign, so he can appoint a temporary acting Attorney General during Congressional recess who will be more open to quashing the Mueller investigation.
 
josie_L said:
Conflict of interest, partisanship, continuous leaks from his team. . . .
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Can you be more specific?

Conflicts of interest ,legally speaking, are actually narrow in scope. What are you referring to?

Partisanship, Mueller is a republican. Is he required to only hire republicans?

Leaks. The Comey memo that was leaked wasn’t classified. It contained no classified information.
 
Luke6_37 said:
If Sessions resigns or is fired, the left will begin organizing massive protests to unleash the minute they get the news that Mueller has been fired too. Protests will begin peacefully, but then become violent as Trump supporters clash with Trump opponents. People will get hurt, some might die, and property will be destroyed. The media on each side will blame the other & ditto-heads on both sides will uncritically believe the propaganda they consume.
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It must be an awful burden to be so much wiser and insightful than the rest of us deplorables.
 
josie_L said:
Ha ha, that’s funny considering that the Russia/Trump collusion to influence the election is a wild allegation.

But nevertheless, there is evidence that his team is leaking information and that shows poor leadership on the part of Mueller and/or possible culpability. As for the partisanship, I do not believe I exaggerate when I say there are too many Democratic donors to Hillary. And his connection to Comey does not bode well.
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Scaramucci has been a democratic donor. And trump. And I believe Kushner too.

The conflict of interest would be if Hillary donors were investigating Hillary currently.
 
dvdjs said:
If you are claiming only sufficient cause for an investigation, not proof, then you might have been clear in saying so, rather than responding to the question as th9ough you had proof. Even that, however, is a wild stretch.
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I think there is sufficient evidence of partisanship, and conflict of interests (leaks are proof however) that the President can use to possibly fire Mueller.
 
josie_L said:
Ha ha, that’s funny considering that the Russia/Trump collusion to influence the election is a wild allegation.

But nevertheless, there is evidence that his team is leaking information and that shows poor leadership on the part of Mueller and/or possible culpability.
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What is your evidence?
As for the partisanship, I do not believe I exaggerate when I say there are too many Democratic donors to Hillary. And his connection to Comey does not bode well.
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DoJ has clear guidelines on conflicts of interest. Political contributions do not represent a conflict of interest. It would hardly be appropriate for Mueller III, to examine the party affiliation or donations when considering an appointment. Not sure why the connection to Comey forebodes.
 
josie_L said:
I think there is sufficient evidence of partisanship, and conflict of interests (leaks are proof however) that the President can use to possibly fire Mueller.
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Apparently “none” is “sufficient” to you.
 
Brassring said:
I wish that were so, but it’s not. Most of his supporters that I know absolutely hated him until Cruz dropped out. Then, they flipped on a dime. He was their guy, their hero, practically the second coming. And, they’ll love him until another “R” starts winning.
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I still think this misjudges it. It is my belief, and certainly my observation, that people “flipped” to Trump because he was the last best hope of a barrier between them and what people saw coming, politically, or believed they saw coming.

Think about the last eight years. Apology tours. Nearly unremitting criticism of America from the party in power. Seizing defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. The Iran treaty. The Paris agreement. Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. Unnecessary war in Libya. Soros. Unilateral disarmament. $150 million uranium deal. Obama’s weird declaration that the U.S. is a “Muslim country”. Obama’s seeming (and misplaced) near-racist taunts aimed at a large segment of the population. Open borders. Total support of abortion on demand, including partial birth abortion. And, of course, Obamacare, which helped a few but harmed many more.

Wisely or foolishly, depending on one’s point of view, a large segment of the population was appalled by the seeming slide of the country into international passivity and creeping income redistribution.

It didn’t have to be Trump. But I think there is still the belief that he’s the only barrier to increasing Obamanization of the country. And as long as that’s true, many will support him. But it didn’t have to be him.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Scaramucci has been a democratic donor. And trump. And I believe Kushner too.

The conflict of interest would be if Hillary donors were investigating Hillary currently.
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No, there can be a conflict of interest when all or most of the members of Mueller’s team happen to be Hillary donors.
 
dvdjs said:
What is your evidence?
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There has been continuous leaks regarding the investigation from his team to the media/public (as they are the only ones privy to information and the inner-workings of the investigation), and that is evidence.
DoJ has clear guidelines on conflicts of interest. Political contributions do not represent a conflict of interest. It would hardly be appropriate for Mueller III, to examine the party affiliation or donations when considering an appointment. Not sure why the connection to Comey forebodes.
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townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/07/24/trump-needs-to-be-smart-about-how-he-fires-mueller-n2358768
 
josie_L said:
No, there can be a conflict of interest when all or most of the members of Mueller’s team happen to be Hillary donors.
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So, the leak issue is another red herring to distract people from the Trump/Russia investigation.
If Mueller was investigation Hillary Clinton, then Mueller’s team would be questionable.
Trump and daughter have contributed to the Clinton foundation.
politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/aug/28/david-plouffe/yes-donald-trump-donated-100000-clinton-foundation/
 
Joyful_Song said:
So, the leak issue is another red herring to distract people from the Trump/Russia investigation.
If Mueller was investigation Hillary Clinton, then Mueller’s team would be questionable.
Trump and daughter have contributed to the Clinton foundation.
politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/aug/28/david-plouffe/yes-donald-trump-donated-100000-clinton-foundation/
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You got me, I’m sure all the members of Mueller’s team who happen to be Hillary donors are completely unbiased and are not, furthermore, leaking information to the public/media, :rolleyes:

Either way, the Department of Justice would continue said investigation, if Mueller got fired, so what’s the big deal???
 
Ridgerunner said:
I still think this misjudges it. It is my belief, and certainly my observation, that people “flipped” to Trump because he was the last best hope of a barrier between them and what people saw coming, politically, or believed they saw coming.

Think about the last eight years. Apology tours. Nearly unremitting criticism of America from the party in power. Seizing defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. The Iran treaty. The Paris agreement. Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. Unnecessary war in Libya. Soros. Unilateral disarmament. $150 million uranium deal. Obama’s weird declaration that the U.S. is a “Muslim country”. Obama’s seeming (and misplaced) near-racist taunts aimed at a large segment of the population. Open borders. Total support of abortion on demand, including partial birth abortion. And, of course, Obamacare, which helped a few but harmed many more.

Wisely or foolishly, depending on one’s point of view, a large segment of the population was appalled by the seeming slide of the country into international passivity and creeping income redistribution.

It didn’t have to be Trump. But I think there is still the belief that he’s the only barrier to increasing Obamanization of the country. And as long as that’s true, many will support him. But it didn’t have to be him.
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It sounds like what you’re saying is that a lot of Trump support is a knee-jerk reaction to fear.

The enemy of my enemy isn’t always my friend. People have chosen to support Trump, and now that they’ve made the choice, they will stick with it without regard to anything that transpires. They will overlook anything that he does or says based upon the “reasoning” that “well, a democrat would be worse”. This is utterly stupid, morally bankrupt thinking. It’s the same nonsense we used to accuse democrat voters of.
 
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