Trump-Mueller tensions escalate

[Ridgerunner]

It sounds like what you’re saying is that a lot of Trump support is a knee-jerk reaction to fear.

The enemy of my enemy isn’t always my friend. People have chosen to support Trump, and now that they’ve made the choice, they will stick with it without regard to anything that transpires. They will overlook anything that he does or says based upon the “reasoning” that “well, a democrat would be worse”. This is utterly stupid, morally bankrupt thinking. It’s the same nonsense we used to accuse democrat voters of.

You can, and did, call it a “knee-jerk reaction to fear”. But that presupposes that the left’s vision and plan is beneficial to Americans and that no one can or should reasonably object to it.

That statement, therefore, is without content. It’s just an insult. Asserting that objection to the left’s program is “morally bankrupt” and “utterly stupid” simply amplifies the insult, but without adding anything to an understanding of the issue in this sub-exchange; which is why Trump supporters do so.

And no, people will not “stick with Trump” no matter what transpires.

Not long ago, I commented in some thread or other that it’s not really Trump the left hates and vilifies and tries to criminalize. It’s really those who supported him and continue to do so; the “deplorables” and “irredeemables” and “bitter clingers”. The truly hated are those in the populace who do not share the leftist vision, and posts like the one above make it so clear it’s a wonder those who utter such things don’t recognize it.

 

[steve_b]

Well?

The President has to know that the investigation into his connection to anyone in Russia who was connected to that country’s quadrennial ventures into our elections is not going to be over until it is over. He knows he cannot fire and pardon his way out of it.

He knows that, right?

Where is the investigation into the Obama administration, that we know meddled into Israel’s elections to oust Netanyahu?

The hypocrisy by the Democrats is galactic! And that extends to everyone who keeps this one sided story going.

back on July 2016
washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Oh that’s right, Trump wasn’t expected to win. EVERY poll, had Killary, uh Hillary as a shoe in to win, so this story about the Democrat administration colluding to oust Netanyahu, was no big deal.

But Oh SHOOT TRUMP WON !

The Democrats heads collectively exploded. How could every poll get it wrong every time a poll was taken … except the poll that counts? Dems went into perpetual mourning. They had to set up quiet zones and therapists for people who couldn’t handle the news. THEN they collectively decided to get even. NO WAY are they going to accept the election.

So their surrogates the press , colluded with their extension, the Democrat party, and BOTH are doing eveything they can to end Trump’s presidency by any means…overriding the election

This stuff has a history of backfiring BIG time on the perpetrators of this stuff. These shenanigans are all on record. And they will be replayed for elections to come, should the voting public, forget.

As far as Mueller, he’s a partisan Democrat. Part of the plan

 

[josie_L]

No, not necessarily.

Mr/Madam President

Mr/Madam (surname)

President (surname)

are all considered acceptable and respectable forms of address.

I’ve never heard of the second being acceptable:

• The president should be addressed as President Obama or Mr. President. (One day in the future, when we have a female president, she will be addressed as Madame President).

• All U.S. presidents retain their title for life, so all former presidents are referred to as Mr. President or President [last name].

huffingtonpost.com/lisa-mirza-grotts/forms-of-address-how-to-a_b_2390778.html

 

[Joyful_Song]

I think that is what most have hoped for since January 20th.
The democrats have been looking for anyway for this to end badly.
Let’s not be disingenuous after this many months.

Meanwhile, why isn’t Barack Obama being investigated for violating the Logan Act?

What would you have said if Obama acted the way Trump does? Same thing right? You would defend him?

Since Trump’s inauguration, conservative outlets have baselessly claimed that Obama is running some kind of “shadow government,” a conspiracy theory which has since been invoked by a Republican congressman and by one of Trump’s attorneys. The right-wing hysteria took on a new level of feverishness after Obama met with a handful of former and current world leaders, some of whom he worked closely with as president.

The investigation is about Russia and Trump. Red herrings will not make it go away.

 

[josie_L]

Where is the investigation into the Obama administration, that we know meddled into Israel’s elections to oust Netanyahu?

The hypocrisy by the Democrats is galactic! And that extends to everyone who keeps this one sided story going.

back on July 2016
washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Oh that’s right, Trump wasn’t expected to win. EVERY poll, had Killary, uh Hillary as a shoe in to win, so this story about the Democrat administration colluding to oust Netanyahu, was no big deal.

But Oh SHOOT TRUMP WON !

The Democrats heads collectively exploded. How could every poll get it wrong every time a poll was taken … except the poll that counts? Dems went into perpetual mourning. They had to set up quiet zones and therapists for people who couldn’t handle the news. THEN they collectively decided to get even. NO WAY are they going to accept the election.

So their surrogates the press , colluded with their extension, the Democrat party, and BOTH are doing eveything they can to end Trump’s presidency by any means.

This stuff has a history of backfiring BIG time on the perpetrators of this stuff. These shenanigans are all on record. And they will be replayed for elections to come, should the voting public, forget.

As far as Mueller, he’s a partisan Democrat.

Furthermore, the Senate Judicial Committee (investigating the Russian/Trump collusion) is BIPARTISAN, likewise the Senate Intelligence Committee is BIPARTISAN, but Mueller and the team he conjured up ARE NOT BIPARTISAN.

And the fact that many leaks are coming out of his team more than suggests that they are partisan.

 

[RyanBlack]

As far as Mueller, he’s a partisan Democrat.

No, he isn’t. He’s a Republican.

 

[Joyful_Song]

Here’s another explanation saying it’ appropriate to go back to one’s former title, to avoid confusion. Example President Obama went back to “Senator”.
formsofaddress.info/FOA_president_US_former.html

Is a Former President
Addressed as President (name)?
I have been directing people to refer to former presidents as President (last name). Is that correct?
— Anna McDonald, Stafford, Virginia

Dear Ms. McDonald:
This issue is complicated since we hear former Presidents referred to as President Clinton and President Bush on the media all the time; Here’s what is the correct formula as it appears in my book (assuming they didn’t have an honorific other than Mr./Ms. to go back to … as General Dwight D. Eisenhower did, who went back to “General Eisenhower” or Barack Obama did, who went back to “Senator Obama”.):
Former President of the United States
Envelope, official:
The Honorable
(Full name)
(Address)
Letter salutation: Dear Mr./Ms. (surname):
Conversation: Mr./Ms. (surname)

 

[Joyful_Song]

Uh, no.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller
Robert Mueller is a Republican who has always served with distinction.

 

[josie_L]

Oh that’s right, Trump wasn’t expected to win. EVERY poll, had Killary, uh Hillary as a shoe in to win, so this story about the Democrat administration colluding to oust Netanyahu, was no big deal.

But Oh SHOOT TRUMP WON !

The Democrats heads collectively exploded. How could every poll get it wrong every time a poll was taken … except the poll that counts? Dems went into perpetual mourning. They had to set up quiet zones and therapists for people who couldn’t handle the news. THEN they collectively decided to get even. NO WAY are they going to accept the election.[FONT=Arial Black
[/QUOTE]
I just learnt this today, that Newsweek went so far as to publish and circulate on the 8th of November, a cover of Hillary as Madam President:

On November 8, 2016, the night of the 2016 presidential election in the United States, images of leaked pre-printed copies of Newsweek magazine showed the magazine celebrating the win of the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, with the cover titled “Madam President”. It is common for Newsweek to prepare for the eventuality of either candidate winning, though it was unusual that it was both published and distributed; the cover was pulled from newsstands after the announcement that Donald Trump won the election.[19]

[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr.President(title](Mr. - Wikipedia.President(title)

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[Marie5890]

(If one is speaking of the formal protocol when it comes to addressing those in office, or formerly in office, sure there are formal ways of address. But this is America, and We, the People of the United States of America, don’t get too anal and legalistic over it. It’s not considered disrespectful in our country to refer to the president as “Mr. (surname)”. All that aside, lets not derail the thread, ok? )

 

[josie_L]

Confirmation of extreme bias. perhaps?? Have you read articles from Newsweek, I have, doesn’t surprise me that they did this?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

You got me, I’m sure all the members of Mueller’s team who happen to be Hillary donors are completely unbiased and are not, furthermore, leaking information to the public/media,

Either way, the Department of Justice would continue said investigation, if Mueller got fired, so what’s the big deal???

The investigation isn’t a pro Hillary anti trump investigation though.

Mueller has a stellar background.

 

[AFerri48]

abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-committee-issues-subpoena-paul-manafort-hearing/story?id=48834903

Manafort testified privately to the Senate Intelligence Committee today, but has also been subpoenaed to speak tomorrow in a public hearing.

 

[josie_L]

The investigation isn’t a pro Hillary anti trump investigation though.

Mueller has a stellar background.

The Senate Intelligence Committee is bipartisan (split evenly between Repubican and Democratic), the Senate Judiciary Committee, likewise, but Mueller’s team, whom he chose to represent as is special counsel’s office is not BIPARTISAN.

President Donald Trump has himself to blame for the appointment of Robert Mueller. But that doesn’t mean Mr. Trump or the republic deserves the damage Mr. Mueller seems willing to do to the body politic. Just like former FBI Director James Comey and too many other Washington officials, the special counsel’s office appears to be leaking everything except evidence of collusion.

wsj.com/articles/mueller-and-associates-1500668345

And leaking doesn’t help the appearance that they are not partisan!!

 

[josie_L]

I do it just to see how the “dark side” thinks.

p.s. That was a joke.

 

[Joyful_Song]

You can, and did, call it a “knee-jerk reaction to fear”. But that presupposes that the left’s vision and plan is beneficial to Americans and that no one can or should reasonably object to it.

That statement, therefore, is without content. It’s just an insult. Asserting that objection to the left’s program is “morally bankrupt” and “utterly stupid” simply amplifies the insult, but without adding anything to an understanding of the issue in this sub-exchange; which is why Trump supporters do so.

And no, people will not “stick with Trump” no matter what transpires.

Not long ago, I commented in some thread or other that it’s not really Trump the left hates and vilifies and tries to criminalize. It’s really those who supported him and continue to do so; the “deplorables” and “irredeemables” and “bitter clingers”. The truly hated are those in the populace who do not share the leftist vision, and posts like the one above make it so clear it’s a wonder those who utter such things don’t recognize it.

I just want to say your post highlights the irrational polarization of the American People due to the extreme political climate that has worsened in the last 30 odd years.
I would love to discuss specific issues and what can be done about them. Employment, industry, defense, etc Though I’m a registered democrat I don’t believe democrats have all the answers. I don’t believe republicans have all the answers. People like Senator Richard Lugar (republican) have worked for everyone to participate in the political process to get things done.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lugar
on the other side Chuck Schumer and Kamala Harris are hard workers.

 

[dvdjs]

There has been continuous leaks regarding the investigation from his team to the media/public (as they are the only ones privy to information and the inner-workings of the investigation), and that is evidence.

Excellent. No evidence just your assertions.

townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/07/24/trump-needs-to-be-smart-about-how-he-fires-mueller-n2358768

You can find all sorts of political hacks who share your opinion. That does not constitute mean that assertions are facts or that proof has been provided.

 

[Joyful_Song]

I just learnt this today, that Newsweek went so far as to publish and circulate on the 8th of November, a cover of Hillary as Madam President:

So what does this do to help us as a country move forward, together?

 

[steve_b]

No, he isn’t. He’s a Republican.

I look at what someone does.

• gopusa.com/robert-mueller-stocks-staff-with-democrat-donors/
• thenationalsentinel.com/2017/06/13/fair-to-the-president-special-counsel-mueller-hiring-dem-donors-to-obama-hillary/

 

[dvdjs]

where is the investigation into the obama administration, that we know meddled into israel’s elections to oust netanyahu?

fake

as far as mueller, he’s a partisan democrat. Part of the plan

wrong