Trump-Mueller tensions escalate

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josie_L said:
Furthermore, the Senate Judicial Committee (investigating the Russian/Trump collusion) is BIPARTISAN, likewise the Senate Intelligence Committee is BIPARTISAN, but Mueller and the team he conjured up ARE NOT BIPARTISAN.
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They are NONPARTISAN. And mixed in political affiliation.
And the fact that many leaks are coming out of his team more than suggests that they are partisan.
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You have yet to support this claim. Please refrain from falsely calling it a fact.
 
Firing Mueller = best decision possible right now
Firing Sessions = worst decision possible right now

And yet Mueller will probably stay and Sessions will probably go. Sad! 😦
 
steve_b said:
I look at what someone does.
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These are all biased fear mongering articles. The truth is that Robert Mueller is non partisan, though he is a repbulican. So, I agree with you. I look at what these people have done. Go ahead, read his bio on wikipedia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller
 
Is this thread still here??? Wow! Over 100 posts on a non-news thread in the World News forum. (I mean to say that no news article was posted at the start. The Back Fence would be a more appropriate forum.) :dts:
 
josie_L said:
The Senate Intelligence Committee is bipartisan (split evenly between Repubican and Democratic), the Senate Judiciary Committee, likewise, but Mueller’s team, whom he chose to represent as is special counsel’s office is not BIPARTISAN.
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PROVE IT
And leaking doesn’t help the appearance that they are not partisan!!
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Prove that they are the source of leaks.
 
dvdjs said:
Excellent. No evidence just your assertions.
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No, not my assertions, leaks are coming out of his investigative team.
You can find all sorts of political hacks who share your opinion. That does not constitute mean that assertions are facts or that proof has been provided.
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We are investigating the POTUS for an unsubstantiated allegation of collusion with Russia, with no evidence prior and/or after said investigation, and now you want me to provide proof that Mueller’s team is not partisan, when I’ve already stated that the leaks are substantive evidence that members of Mueller’s investigative team are not acting partisan, in fact, are acting recklessly and endangering said investigation.
 
Beryllos said:
Is this thread still here??? Wow! Over 100 posts on a non-news thread in the World News forum. (I mean to say that no news article was posted at the start. The Back Fence would be a more appropriate forum.) :dts:
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Yes, I noticed that too, but was hoping someone would do something about that.
 
Yeah. Maybe it is time for this thread to die. It has turned into “the smartest person in the room” game, and nobody here, myself included, is very well equipped to play.
 
Joyful_Song said:
I just want to say your post highlights the irrational polarization of the American People due to the extreme political climate that has worsened in the last 30 odd years.
I would love to discuss specific issues and what can be done about them. Employment, industry, defense, etc Though I’m a registered democrat I don’t believe democrats have all the answers. I don’t believe republicans have all the answers. People like Senator Richard Lugar (republican) have worked for everyone to participate in the political process to get things done.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lugar
on the other side Chuck Schumer and Kamala Harris are hard workers.
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Chuck Shumer the guy who lied to the media that Trump was under investigation when he wasn’t?
He said Democrats ended up fostering the very Russian meddling in American democracy that they decried — **and he specifically fingered Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer, saying the New York Democrat knew from Mr. Comey that Mr. Trump wasn’t under investigation but told the public differently.
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Mr. Grassley said that as a member of the “Gang of Eight” — the four high-ranking lawmakers in each party who get the most thorough intelligence briefing — Mr. Schumer knew Mr. Trump wasn’t being probed. But Mr. Schumer “told the media that the president was under investigation. And, of course, that further helped feed media hysteria,” Mr. Grassley said.
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“The minority leader even tried to say the Senate shouldn’t vote on the Supreme Court nomination because the president was under investigation. And the whole time he knew it wasn’t true,” Mr. Grassley said.
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He said Mr. Comey told him and Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the ranking Democrat on his committee, about Mr. Trump being in the clear in March.
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That’s the same time Mr. Schumer was demanding a vote on Supreme Court Justice Neil M. Gorsuch be delayed, saying the president was under investigation.
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washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/22/grassley-blames-comey-false-trump-narrative/
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7_Sorrows said:
I think that is what most have hoped for since January 20th.
The democrats have been looking for anyway for this to end badly.
Let’s not be disingenuous after this many months.

Meanwhile, why isn’t Barack Obama being investigated for violating the Logan Act?
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Exactly!
 
josie_L said:
Chuck Shumer the guy who lied to the media that Trump was under investigation when he wasn’t?
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Come on, you can do it. Acknowledge these people have contributed to America. Relentlessly attacking is not going to help our country.
 
Joyful_Song said:
What would you have said if Obama acted the way Trump does? Same thing right? You would defend him?

Since Trump’s inauguration, conservative outlets have baselessly claimed that Obama is running some kind of “shadow government,” a conspiracy theory which has since been invoked by a Republican congressman and by one of Trump’s attorneys. The right-wing hysteria took on a new level of feverishness after Obama met with a handful of former and current world leaders, some of whom he worked closely with as president.

The investigation is about Russia and Trump. Red herrings will not make it go away.
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Pot meet kettle,Good grief!:rolleyes:
 
josie_L said:
No, not my assertions, leaks are coming out of his investigative team.
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Only your assertion offered here.
We are investigating the POTUS for an unsubstantiated allegation of collusion with Russia, with no evidence prior and/or after said investigation, and now you want me to provide proof that Mueller’s team is not partisan, when I’ve already stated that the leaks are substantive evidence that members of Mueller’s investigative team are not acting partisan, in fact, are acting recklessly and endangering said investigation.
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The existence of a leak, of some kind, does not prove its source. And you have not specific a leak, let alone proved its source.

And yes, I of course expect you to provide the proof for anything that you proclaim as a fact. If not in the initial posting, certainly when asked.

Truthfulness is important; Discernment on what is or is not a fact is important.
 
steve_b said:
So you quote wikipedia as YOUR source?

Have you ever read their disclaimers?
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Wikipedia is an established source. Are you saying it’s lies because it doesn’t support what you think? Like I said, I’m a registered Democrat. However I don’t agree with everything democrat robotically. I research many articles, and listen to people speak. I believe republicans and democrats have just as much to contribute to our country. That kind of one eyed extreme thinking on the part of both parties is what’s going to finish off our country.
And on that note, I’ve started a new news thread: Bipartisan Health Care Effort.
I invite any constructive discourse. We’ve already exhausted the us against them stance. Let’s try something different.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Yeah. He has free will.
And that will be his downfall.

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No, I don’t think it will be Trump’s downfall. After all, he’s the new and improved Teflon-President, although his staunch supporters will “stick” with him through thick and thin.

But before Trump fires Mueller (or not), there is Sessions to consider. Is he next on the Trump list? I’ve also heard talk of his firing the Secretary of Health if the healthcare bill does not pass in the Senate. This is the way CEO’s operate, but it is not exactly fitting for the POTUS, unless you are Donald Trump…or Richard Nixon.
 
Joyful_Song said:
I just want to say your post highlights the irrational polarization of the American People due to the extreme political climate that has worsened in the last 30 odd years.
I would love to discuss specific issues and what can be done about them. Employment, industry, defense, etc Though I’m a registered democrat I don’t believe democrats have all the answers. I don’t believe republicans have all the answers. People like Senator Richard Lugar (republican) have worked for everyone to participate in the political process to get things done.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lugar
on the other side Chuck Schumer and Kamala Harris are hard workers.
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Never would I claim that either party has all the answers. Possibly the most troubling thing about the present is that nobody seems terribly interested in answers. Repubs are afraid of their own shadows, and do nothing. Dems are in lockstep concert with a handful of leaders so powerful that nobody in that party dares dissent.

And so, nothing happens to speak of except attacks. This country is, for all practical purposes, in a civil war. It’s just that nobody is raising armies other than armies of lawyers, media people, and demonstrators.
 
EasterJoy said:
Well?

The President has to know that the investigation into his connection to anyone in Russia who was connected to that country’s quadrennial ventures into our elections is not going to be over until it is over. He knows he cannot fire and pardon his way out of it.

He knows that, right?
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🤷 Looks like he’s all mad at his buddy Jeff Sessions and has thrown him under the Twitter bus again today. Probably gonna fire him and try to mess with the special investigator but that won’t stop congress.

Y’know, if these guys have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong why are they already so heavily lawyered up?

As for pardoning people and himself I don’t think that will work if he is first impeached by the House and indicted by the Senate because he’s removed from office and is no longer president so there goes that “power” out the airlock.

No matter how this all plays out, the Russians have already won because he and his campaign fell in with their machinations and effectively damaged the faith of the American people in the democratic process of the 2016 election and made America a laughingstock in the eyes of the world. That doesn’t MAGA at all…
 
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