Trump-Mueller tensions escalate

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dvdjs said:
The FEC reports are widely circulated. I was not unclear on the actual facts, but hoping that you would take some responsibility and correct the misinformation that you posted.
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I gave you the sources to read for yourself and my numbers were not off by very much to matter. It didn’t alter the meat of the story which you continue to ignore because it is a negative story about the DNC and how poorly they are doing. The article Josie quoted contained the same information that my sources had.

Now back to the topic. Hope there will be no more :crying::crying::crying:
 
Ridgerunner said:
No, the Russians are winning because they have allies in the effort to keep the American government from functioning. And those allies are the Dems, for whom getting back into power is more important than is the country. If the Russians aren’t paying them to do it, they should, it’s so much to their benefit.
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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:You really believe that? That’s really laughable…but not funny.
 
Inisfallen said:
I haven’t yet seen President Trump accused of murder on a massive scale, or of running a pedophile ring out of a pizza shop, or of drug smuggling, or of having a body double.

And people do complain, all the time, when anyone says anything remotely uncomplimentary about President Trump (even if it’s true).
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Or if Hillary needing a medic with a syringe of meds disguised as s sharpie ipretending to be s secret service agent, because she had a mysterious neurological disease.
 
josie_L said:
I’m starting to think that Mueller hasn’t found anything of interest regarding the election collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, so he’s venturing into his business transactions/dealings, even though that clearly goes beyond the mandate of the stated investigation.

Forget witch hunt, this is an inquisition.
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2002/03 - Saddam colluded with the enemy. Any moment now, we’ll find those WMDs in Iraq. Any moment now. They are definately there.

2016/17 - Trump colluded with the enemy. Any moment now, we’ll uncover evidence of Russian involvement. Any moment now. The evidence is definately there.
 
Cyril_Of_Canada said:
2002/03 - Saddam colluded with the enemy. Any moment now, we’ll find those WMDs in Iraq. Any moment now. They are definately there.

2016/17 - Trump colluded with the enemy. Any moment now, we’ll uncover evidence of Russian involvement. Any moment now. The evidence is definitely there.
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Cyril_Of_Canada said:
2002/03 - Saddam colluded with the enemy. Any moment now, we’ll find those WMDs in Iraq. Any moment now. They are definately there.

2016/17 - Trump colluded with the enemy. Any moment now, we’ll uncover evidence of Russian involvement. Any moment now. The evidence is definately there.
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1973 - Richard Nixon denies any involvement in Watergate, saying “I am not a crook” - 1974 - Richard Nixon resigns to avoid impeachment after evidence of his being up to his eyeballs in Watergate is made public.

January 1998 - Bill Clinton denies impropriety - “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”
December 1998 - House of Reps votes to impeach Clinton after evidence of his being up to his eyeballs in Ms Lewinsky among other things.

Sometimes evidence is indeed definitely there, just takes a while to come out.
 
LilyM said:
1973 - Richard Nixon denies any involvement in Watergate, saying “I am not a crook” - 1974 - Richard Nixon resigns to avoid impeachment after evidence of his being up to his eyeballs in Watergate is made public.

January 1998 - Bill Clinton denies impropriety - “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”
December 1998 - House of Reps votes to impeach Clinton after evidence of his being up to his eyeballs in Ms Lewinsky among other things.

Sometimes evidence is indeed definitely there, just takes a while to come out.
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Except that neither of them did what the original complaint was about. Neither did John Poindexter or Scooter Libby.

Give enough money to enough skilled prosecutors and they’ll find a crime with which to charge someone. Likely Trump can defend himself adequately against that, but no ordinary citizen can.

Which is why I totally disfavor the appointment of “special prosecutors”. I did in the Nixon case, in the Iran contra case and in the Clinton case. Devote enough resources to criminalizing some citizen, and eventually, and in some way, they’ll get it done. As with Poindexter and Libby, it might not even be the “target”, but someone else.

Once those resources are dedicated, no “special prosecutor” is ever going to conclude “well, there’s nothing here. We’re done.”
 
LilyM said:
1973 - Richard Nixon denies any involvement in Watergate, saying “I am not a crook” - 1974 - Richard Nixon resigns to avoid impeachment after evidence of his being up to his eyeballs in Watergate is made public.
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But there was a crime committed, and that is the difference, i.e., it is necessary to investigate and find evidence of culpability when a crime is committed. With this investigation, there is no crime, only an unsubstantiated allegation that Trump/Russia colluded together, and all because of a Russian-sourced dossier that was promulgated by FUSION GPS (a company which was working with the Hillary campaign to find dirt on Trump). It was this dossier that the FBI (under Comey) used for evidence of collusion, even though said dossier was never meant to be made public and the sources were never verified as per Christopher Steele (a former MI6 agent now turned busiiness who put it together).

Now, one of the co-founders of FUSION GPS (Glenn Smith), was asked to speak before the Senate Judiciary Committee, only to have the meeting detained by Democrats, so, now we have to wait and see what was said, because FUSION GPS has ties with Russia and was lobbying against the Maginsky Act, alongside Veselnitskaya.
January 1998 - Bill Clinton denies impropriety - “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”
December 1998 - House of Reps votes to impeach Clinton after evidence of his being up to his eyeballs in Ms Lewinsky among other things.
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Sometimes evidence is indeed definitely there, just takes a while to come out.
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I believe Clinton perjured himself and that is why he was impeached.
 
dvdjs said:
You and Ridgerunner on the one hand, the DoJ on the other. OK.
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There are many of us out there, dvdjs, who think this way, but, nevertheless, no matter how little or how many, I do believe this investigation is distorting the American Justice System.

And so I have only two questions to ask: what crime was committed?? And where is the evidence of said crime??
 
josie_L said:
There are many of us out there, dvdjs, who think this way, but, nevertheless, no matter how little or how many, I do believe this investigation is distorting the American Justice System.

And so I have only two questions to ask: what crime was committed?? And where is the evidence of said crime??
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We shall see.
 
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