Trump or Hillary?

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Little_Sheep said:
Sure he/she can - passing on scandal is all the rage in politics, right? (wish I had a sarcasm font)
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You can use the eye-roll emoticon. (:rolleyes:) Or – guess what – sufficient emphasis or *italics * can also convey sarcasm!! Who would have thought? 😃

[Sorry, couldn’t resist.]
 
So I am confused. Do "FACTS MATTER! " or is speculation, and rash judgment also good. Perhaps Theo has a singular understanding of the word “fact”.
 
pnewton said:
So I am confused. Do "FACTS MATTER! " or is speculation, and rash judgment also good. Perhaps Theo has a singular understanding of the word “fact”.
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A documented history of infidelity combined with recent public writings kinda sounds like facts to me. None of these people have been convicted of slander, do the best of my knowledge.

Do you honestly think this won’t come up in the General Election?
 
Theo520 said:
A documented history of infidelity combined with recent public writings kinda sounds like facts to me. None of these people have been convicted of slander, do the best of my knowledge.

Do you honestly think this won’t come up in the General Election?
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I’m no Clinton supporter, but what exactly does Bill Clinton’s supposed affairs have to do with the election? Last I checked he isn’t running for office. And clearly Dems didn’t care when he was actually running for office.
 
Cider said:
I’m no Clinton supporter, but what exactly does Bill Clinton’s supposed affairs have to do with the election? Last I checked he isn’t running for office. And clearly Dems didn’t care when he was actually running for office.
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Since when haven’t personal scandals become part of the political selection process

I’ve seen people bragging that voting for Hillary means getting Bill back in the WH, so Bill is part of the ticket people will be choosing.

I agree with you though, most Dems won’t care, unless they are looking for a reason to not choose Hillary. I believe the Bill Cosby scandal has changed the conversation somewhat, which is starting to tarnish Clinton unlike in the past.
 
Another downside of the alleged actions of Bill Clinton is that his wife is alleged to have played a part in covering up or even being in attacks against women who said such. Was Monica attacked when this came out? It sounds like she was.
 
Theo520 said:
A documented history …
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Your definition of history is different than mine. I do not consider speculation on a book that has been sold that is soon to be published as history, especially when the author just passes on anecdotes from someone without documentation. I call that gossip, and gossip for profit.

I have many reasons to want to see Hillary Clinton unemployed next year, but my reasons will not be based in hearsay allegations gossiped about on conservative blogs.
 
pnewton said:
Your definition of history is different than mine. I do not consider speculation on a book that has been sold that is soon to be published as history, especially when the author just passes on anecdotes from someone without documentation. I call that gossip, and gossip for profit.

I have many reasons to want to see Hillary Clinton unemployed next year, but my reasons will not be based in hearsay allegations gossiped about on conservative blogs.
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We can agree to disagree. I think there would be legal ramifications if what was published could not be substantiated.
 
A number of these women have come out; period; it’s not just on Conservative Blogs, this again smacks of shooting the messenger not the message.

It really is a bit like the Bill Cosby situation, a lot of people believe his accusers.
But it’s a limited matter as well, respected publications are not making a big deal out of the latest accuser, it is sort of like tabloid stuff though I believe Hillary Clinton has been confronted with it per the press.
 
Hilary Clinton has plenty of her own scandals we can use, that are legitimate, we don’t need to go down the speculation rabbit hole about her husband. Especially when it’s likely to just solidify her base even more, since they never cared about Bill Clinton’s antics back in the day.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
So my refusing to accept your speculation as fact is the same as putting my head in the sand? I don’t think so.
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No, the ‘head in the sand’ reference was about whether the topic would be raised aggressively during the general election cycle. True or not, I think it has legs and will be part of the political football game.
 
Theo520 said:
We can agree to disagree. I think there would be legal ramifications if what was published could not be substantiated.
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I will agree as far as saying this, and pretty much everything that has even a few believers, will become part of the presidential race, for both Clinton and Trump. I think that was your initial point anyway.
 
Cider said:
Hilary Clinton has plenty of her own scandals we can use, that are legitimate, we don’t need to go down the speculation rabbit hole about her husband. Especially when it’s likely to just solidify her base even more, since they never cared about Bill Clinton’s antics back in the day.
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People may not have cared in the past, but many millennial voters today deserve to know what kind of background Hillary comes from and once they find out, they will not be amused.
 
queenofheartscv said:
People may not have cared in the past, but many millennial voters today deserve to know what kind of background Hillary comes from and once they find out, they will not be amused.
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I am sometimes narrow-minded. I had not even thought of this point, just assuming everyone already knew these people.
 
pnewton said:
I am sometimes narrow-minded. I had not even thought of this point, just assuming everyone already knew these people.
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Some of us don’t vote for a candidate just because their last name is say, Hispanic, I’m a Cruz fan but it’s not just because of his last name.
 
Theo520 said:
A documented history of infidelity combined with recent public writings kinda sounds like facts to me.
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All you are doing is substituting your unsubstantiated speculations with speculations by a former reporter and author of a book. That still does not rise to the level of generally accepted fact. I can probably find books by former reporters that claim all sorts of outrageous things you would not accept as fact. So don’t ask me to swallow Mr. Kessler’s book as fact either.
None of these people have been convicted of slander, do the best of my knowledge.
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There can be many reasons for book being ignored. It is still speculation that the reason is that it is true.
 
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