Trump signs relief & funding bill

[puer.dei]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/27/politics/trump-relief-bill-christmas-eve/index.html

 

[billsherman]

This tiger has no teeth anymore.

It’s always sad to see a lame duck slowly fade away. No one cares what he thinks anymore, and they seem to care less and less about what he tweets.

 

[meltzerboy2]

So what was the point of all this drama created by Trump?

 

[billsherman]

So what was the point of all this drama created by Trump?

He didn’t realize no one cares about him anymore. The country is moving on, and he is incapable of seeing that.

There will be more incidents like this. He will keep tweeting demands even after Jan 20, and will be stunned when no one meets them.

 

[Caldera]

As President of the United States it is my responsibility to protect the people of our country from the economic devastation and hardship that was caused by the China Virus. I understand that many small businesses have been forced to close as a result of harsh actions by Democrat-run states. Many people are back to work, but my job is not done until everyone is back to work. Fortunately, as a result of my work with Congress in passing the CARES Act earlier this year, we avoided another Great Depression. Under my leadership, Project Warp Speed has been a tremendous success, my Administration and I developed a vaccine many years ahead of wildest expectations, and we are distributing these vaccines, and others soon coming, to millions of people. As President, I have told Congress that I want far less wasteful spending and more money going to the American people in the form of $2,000 checks per adult and $600 per child. As President I am demanding many rescissions under the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. The Act provides that, “whenever the President determines that all or part of any budget authority will not be required to carry out the full objectives or scope of programs for which it is provided, or that such budget authority should be rescinded for fiscal policy or other reasons (including termination of authorized projects or activities for which budget authority has been provided), the President shall transmit to both Houses of Congress a special message” describing the amount to be reserved, the relevant accounts, the reasons for the rescission, and the economic effects of the rescission. 2 U.S.C. § 683. I will sign the Omnibus and Covid package with a strong message that makes clear to Congress that wasteful items need to be removed. I will send back to Congress a redlined version, item by item, accompanied by the formal rescission request to Congress insisting that those funds be removed from the bill. I am signing this bill to restore unemployment benefits, stop evictions, provide rental assistance, add money for PPP, return our airline workers back to work, add substantially more money for vaccine distribution, and much more. On Monday the House will vote to increase payments to individuals from $600 to $2,000. Therefore, a family of four would receive $5,200. Additionally, Congress has promised that Section 230, which so unfairly benefits Big Tech at the expense of the American people, will be reviewed and either be terminated or substantially reformed. Likewise, the House and Senate have agreed to focus strongly on the very substantial voter fraud which took place in the November 3 Presidential election. The Senate will start the process for a vote that increases checks to $2,000, repeals Section 230, and starts an investigation into voter fraud. Big Tech must not get protections of Section 230! Voter Fraud must be fixed! Much more money is coming. I will never give up my fight for the American people!

LOL

 

[billsherman]

LOL

I’m sure Congress is going to get right on that!

 

[puer.dei]

So what was the point of all this drama created by Trump?

That was exactly the point - drama.

 

[silentwitness]

Thank you for the informative post Caldera. Such posts are becoming a very rare thing on this dying forum. Unfortunately the failure of this forum seems to be mimicking the failure of the liberal project in the general society.

Such philosophy brings division, untruth and eventual decline. There have been no exceptions in history. There are no exceptions today.

 

[billsherman]

Such philosophy brings division, untruth and eventual decline. There have been no exceptions in history. There are no exceptions today.

Isn’t the true of every political philosophy, though? Since literally every civilizations has, or will, eventually cease to exist, political death comes in all forms.

I mean, seriously, no one argues that the Taliban’s regime in Afghanistan fell because it became too liberal.

 

[silentwitness]

Isn’t the true of every political philosophy, though? Since literally every civilizations has, or will, eventually cease to exist, political death comes in all forms.

The liberal political philosophy has set itself up as a replacement for the Christian philosophy which has been incredibly successful.

All political philosophies that are without God will fall.

The problem with those on the Left is that the concept of God is not only not considered in their philosophy, it is outright rejected.

So when you think all philosophies will fall anyway the idea of an objective goodness and following of God leading us to truth and a better society disappears from the thinking.

Then yes, the Left always gets what it envisions.

Repression, authoritarianism, societal division and failure.

I mean, seriously, no one argues that the Taliban’s regime in Afghanistan fell because it became too liberal.

The Taliban fails for the same reason Leftism fails. It is an all encompassing state controlled authoritarianism based on power instead of truth and the idea that every person reflects the image of God.

 

[billsherman]

The Taliban fails for the same reason Leftism fails. It is an all encompassing state controlled authoritarians based on power instead of truth.

Authoritarianism is neither left nor right. It exists all across the political spectrum.

The Taliban and China have nothing in common except for authoritarianism.

 

[Pattylt]

Am I correct that originally Congress was going for the $2000 and Trump insisted it be lowered? Wasn’t he the one that gave the $600 figure? Now he demands it be raised to $2000?

Also, is it only Big Tech that is against the change of sec.230 but ALL of Tech including all the little guys, too?

I’ll welcome correction if I’m wrong!

 

[billsherman]

Am I correct that originally Congress was going for the $2000 and Trump insisted it be lowered? Wasn’t he the one that gave the $600 figure? Now he demands it be raised to $2000?

You are entirely correct.

I think we are seeing the logical conclusion of negotiating with a man who once stole $7 from a charity to pay for his son’s scout registration.

 

[silentwitness]

Authoritarianism is neither left nor right. It exists all across the political spectrum.

The Taliban and China have nothing in common except for authoritarianism.

Authoritarianism is a built in feature of Leftism. Yes other philosophies can be authoritarian but because Leftism is humanism focused on state power and the dividing and eventual suppression of people based on identity politics and false historical social justice then it is authoritarian in its very nature.

The Christian civilisation does not see itself as disappearing because at its heart it believes in a God which never disappears. The Leftist does not have this perspective so eventually they will all share the philosophy you express - their philosophy will also disappear.

God teaches objective, everlasting truth. Leftism teaches temporary human power.

There is a big difference.

Unfortunately many in my church have forsaken the objective, everlasting vision of God for a temporary humanistic power.

That is not a lasting or stable pursuit for society and basically a rejection of God.

 

[Pattylt]

The Leftist does not have this perspective so eventually they will all share the philosophy you express - their philosophy will also disappear.

Aren’t the “left” composed of 80% Christians?

 

[billsherman]

Leftism is humanism focused on state power

Leftism isn’t a political philosophy. It’s a group of vaguely related philosophies.

For example, liberalism and communism are political philosophies on the left - but they are not the same. Liberalism is not based on state power, although communism requires it. Some leftist philosophies (like anarchy!) opposed the existence of the state entirely.

You are pretty confused about the nature of political philosophy. I’d suggest reading around a bit.

You need to pull yourself out of the “Left is bad, Right is good” trap. It doesn’t work that way.

 

[silentwitness]

Aren’t the “left” composed of 80% Christians?

The Left have historically been unChristian - The French revolution, the communists, the fascists.

What has happened over the many decades is that the Left have infiltrated political parties which were once built on Christian social justice and trade unionism. So strong has been this infiltration that we now call that side of politics ‘The Left’.

This has happened in many western countries for the same reason. There are of course residual Christians in these parties but the number drops each year because basically it is not their party anymore.

 

[billsherman]

The French revolution, the communists, the fascists.

The American Revolution! Don’t forget the Deism of the American Founders.

More significantly, fascism is a right wing political philosophy. But it’s a good example of right wing totalitarianism.

 

[silentwitness]

eftism isn’t a political philosophy. It’s a group of vaguely related philosophies.

For example, liberalism and communism are political philosophies on the left - but they are not the same. Liberalism is not based on state power, although communism requires it. Some leftist philosophies (like anarchy!) opposed the existence of the state entirely.

Leftism is a clear philosophy of the French revolution that has propagated til today with universal disastrous effects.

Liberals are simply good people who took the lie of Leftism regarding freedoms to their heart without realising that it was simply a ploy to destroy the Christian society that it wished out of the way.

Anarchy likewise is a temporary philosophy. Leftist anarchy is not a goal in itself like liberalism is not. Some people mistakenly believe this.

But both liberalism and anarchy are there to weaken and ultimately destroy society. When this is done then Leftism steps in to fill the void.

The history of Leftism cannot be compared favourably with the project of Christian capitalism. The existing paradigm must first be undermined and removed.

There are many Leftist offshoots deigned to weaken and destroy society. Liberalism and anarchy are simply two of these. Big state authoritarian Leftism is the ultimate destination.

Many Liberals have slowly woken up to this and that is why there is a steady stream of Liberals who leave the Left arguing that the Left are not the same anymore.

That is false. Liberals are simply good people duped into the anti Christian Leftism.

Leftism has done this primarily by separating goodness from Christianity and then attaching big state to their new definition of goodness. Those that see this is a false and dangerous dichotomy are labelled as rigid and uncaring.

This is untrue but it convinces enough people to cause division and thus waken society.

 

[silentwitness]

More significantly, fascism is a right wing political philosophy. But it’s a good example of right wing totalitarianism.

The manifesto of Fascism was written by Mussolini and Gentile. These were two avowed and activist socialists. They were and remained Leftist. Big state anti Christian humanists believing the state as the highest power that would right historic injustices.

Fascism is another example of left wing authoritarianism.