Trump Supporter Brutally Beaten Is Speaking Out And Fighting Back

[drcube]

There is no evidence military aid was delayed in order to pressure the Ukrainian government ot investigate anything, let alone Biden. Zelensky denied there was any pressure. Against that is wild speculation that some simply want to believe.

I don’t think the timing or the comments align with your comment that there is ‘no evidence’. After all, Volker was making comments about holding back aid and Trump’s comments about wanting a ‘favor’ came after Zelensky wanted to discuss aid. There is considerable evidence that is right out there in the open and the investigation has barely begun.

But no matter what, Biden and Burisma need to be investigated. Whether Surkin was corrupt or not (and that’s hardly certain) Biden was giving Ukraine six hours to fire him while Biden’s son’s company was being investigated by Surkin. There’s no question about that, and there’s no question that firing Surkin was the quid pro quo of the loan guarantees. In any other context, it would be regarded as smelling to high heaven and worthy of investigation.

No, they really don’t. Shokin was dirty and it was in American (and European and IMF and Ukrainian) interest for a corrupt politician to be fired. Recall that it was the vast majority of the Ukrainian parliament including his own party that voted no confidence.

This is one of the worst deflections in existence, but not new. People who support abortion cannot excuse their condonation of the murder of millions based on the fact that some sexual encounters about which they know nothing, could imaginably result in conception which could imaginably result in abortion. Might as well say beer-drinking is as bad as abortion because beer drinking could lower inhibitions which…etc…

Sexual activity outside of marital bonds results in the vast majority of babies being aborted. Period. I don’t understand why people that are ‘pro-life’ seem to readily deny this fact. It has nothing to do with beer drinking, but sexual behavior outside the teachings of the Catholic Church.

St. Augustine was an adulterer who reformed and became a saint. There is no evidence Trump is still committing adultery

Then why did he pay off Stormy Daniels?

But the Dem party is still supporting baby-killing to the tune of a million per year. There’s really no comparison, and Democrats should give up trying to justify their support of abortion. They should just say (as Hillary Clinton did) that we Catholics have to change our religion to suit them. That would be more honest. Have to hand her that.

Tell the boys to behave themselves and abortions go way, way down. Probably way below what they would be if you made them illegal.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I don’t think the timing or the comments align with your comment that there is ‘no evidence’. After all, Volker was making comments about holding back aid and Trump’s comments about wanting a ‘favor’ came after Zelensky wanted to discuss aid. There is considerable evidence that is right out there in the open and the investigation has barely begun.

None of which says Trump did anything other than ask Zelensky to aid in investigation of the 2016 Ukrainian involvement in election interference. Why should he not have done that?

Shokin was dirty

Lots of Ukrainian politicians have been. But you can tell us what Shokin has been proved of doing. He’s not in prison. Believable sources please. Shokin was fired, not voted out.

Sexual activity outside of marital bonds results in the vast majority of babies being aborted.

No evidence presented of this. But since fewer than half of the babies born among the most abortion-vulnerable population are born outside wedlock, it’s not surprising. But that’s not proof that Trump’s affair was likely to cause a pregnancy. But regardless, chancing a pregnancy is nowhere near as morally destitute as actively killing living children, espoused by the Dem party.

Then why did he pay off Stormy Daniels?

I don’t know. I will say it was certainly cheap. For a man of his wealth, it seems likely “nuisance value”.

Tell the boys to behave themselves and abortions go way, way down.

And this is your response to the killing of millions? Abortion is truly a religion. It truly is.

 

[drcube]

None of which says Trump did anything other than ask Zelensky to aid in investigation of the 2016 Ukrainian involvement in election interference. Why should he not have done that?

Did you miss the part of the transcript about Biden?

Lots of Ukrainian politicians have been. But you can tell us what Shokin has been proved of doing. He’s not in prison. Believable sources please. Shokin was fired, not voted out

Heck, I’m still waiting for sources on why Congress needs to vote on an impeachment investigation before starting one. Shokin was dirty. Period. And there was a vote of no confidence before he was fired/resigned.

No evidence presented of this. But since fewer than half of the babies born among the most abortion-vulnerable population are born outside wedlock, it’s not surprising. But that’s not proof that Trump’s affair was likely to cause a pregnancy. But regardless, chancing a pregnancy is nowhere near as morally destitute as actively killing living children, espoused by the Dem party.

Six out of seven abortions are by women that are not married.(https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/report_downloads/us-abortion-patients-table1.pdf)

I didn’t say that any of Trump’s affairs ended in an abortion, but the vast majority of abortions are by women outside of marriage, so one can equate Trump’s behaviors with the behaviors that result in abortion.

I don’t know. I will say it was certainly cheap. For a man of his wealth, it seems likely “nuisance value”.

It sure seems like he is covering up an affair on his current wife right after she bore their child.

And this is your response to the killing of millions? Abortion is truly a religion. It truly is.

Abortions have happened when it was legal and when it was illegal. The vast majority of abortions are procured by women that are not married. If men’s behavior would improve (and I haven’t heard a sermon on purity in a very long time), it would have a profound affect on abortion.

Nice little slam at the end there. No, abortion is not a religion. Nice to see your time away didn’t dull your ability to get in the little digs, eh, Ridge?

 

[dvdjs]

It is nice to see an actual news account of the story, but sad that it took until post #43.
While many seem prepared to talk all about the attackers, their anger, and what motivates their anger, very little is actually known.

Here is another that gives even more detail of the incident.

An Art Dealer Says Teens Attacked Him for His MAGA Hat. Now, He’s Accusing Police of Anti-Trump Bias Because They Haven’t Found Proof

A New York City art dealer, Jahangir “John” Turan, says he was attacked by a group of teens who targeted him for wearing a MAGA hat.

news.artnet.com

[Turtan] told NBC News he had purchased the red MAGA hat earlier that day at the Trump Tower, which is located just one block from his West 57th street gallery. Indeed, Turan posted the entire process of going to the Trump Campaign Store on Facebook Live, narrating his arrival and the process of picking out the individual hat.

The assault, which was undocumented, occurred later the same day when he was going to meet a client while wearing the hat. Turan recounts that he was passing a group of “kids,” approximately 18 to 20 years old, when a young woman flipped his hat into the street. As he bent down to retrieve it, he claims, the rest of the group started assaulting him, shouting anti-Trump statements … and smashing his head against a pole.

Police have been unable to track down the alleged attackers, partly because Turan could not provide any descriptions. The New York Daily News reported that the NYPD said it had no reason to doubt his story, but added that two law enforcement sources told the paper that there was “some skepticism about the alleged Trump-hating gang attack, and said it might just have been a brawl between him and another person.”

For his part, Turan has expressed frustration with the police. “Of course I’m [angry]—why do you think I went to the media?”, he told the Daily News . “I felt angry after Tuesday and Wednesday, when I didn’t see them doing anything. Two days, no arrests. I think some of these cops are anti-Trump.”

It even gives the police incident summary

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at approximately 1850 hours police responded to a 911 call of an assault in 321 Canal Street within the confines of the 1st Precinct. Officers were informed by a 35-year-old male victim he was walking when he was punched in the head by unknown individuals in an unprovoked manner. There is no description of the individuals and the victim refused medical attention on scene. The investigation remains ongoing.

Background: The victim states he was wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat.

Turan is suing all sorts of folk, but their connection to the alleged assault seems obscure.

 

[Cathoholic]

dvdjs . . . .

Turan is suing all sorts of folk, but their connection to the alleged assault seems obscure.

So what is the upshot of what you are saying dvdjs?

Do you think he did this to himself?

You don’t think he hired a couple of Nigerian athletic trainer-brothers to pretend to do this do you?

What do you think happened to this guy?

 

[Theo520]

Has to be better defense than more of the continuing barrage of ad hominem attacks aimed at everyone who’s opinion you don’t seem to like.

Clearly you don’t understand that term - ad hominem.

Look it up.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

dvdjs . . . .

Turan is suing all sorts of folk, but their connection to the alleged assault seems obscure.

I think we can hold off judgement until the investigation is done. It need not be something he did to himself. There are other possibilities. For example, he may have gotten into a fight under different circumstances than the ones he described. It may have been unplanned. But once the fight was over and he saw how badly he was hurt, it is not too hard to imagine that he made up the circumstances to make a political point. Or maybe he is telling the truth in every regard. I don’t know. I’ve been burned before by jumping to conclusions.

 

[Cathoholic]

LeafByNiggle . . .

I think we can hold off judgement until the investigation is done.

Asking someone what they think based upon what we know and do not know is not “judgment”.
At least in a final sense. (After all. Those opinions are a lot about what these news threads entail.)

dvdjs can answer for himself.

After all, I asked dvdjs his opinion (not you–“we can”) based upon the post that dvdjs put up.

If you want to throw in your two cents fine. (I welcome it even. I think your post otherwise was excellent Leaf. I agree with you. Those things COULD be going on here. I doubt it, but they COULD be.)

 

[dvdjs]

I think we can hold off judgement until the investigation is done. It need not be something he did to himself.

I have no doubt that you realize that I suggested no such thing.
I find it amazing that in this thread that there was so much commentary about the thinking and motives of the 15, with so little authenticated fact.

Frankly, whatever the reality, I don’t see this as World news. It is more anger mongering click bait.

 

[Cathoholic]

dvdjs . . .

Frankly, whatever the reality, I don’t see this as World news. It is more anger mongering click bait.

I thought the same thing about the whole
Fake Trump Russian-Collusion narrative
over the last two and a half years leading up to the Mueller Report.

But I’m going to disagree with you dvdjs about this story.

I see a pattern emerging of some leftists using physical violence against people for their political positions. Especially Antifa.

The institutional leftist NON-reaction to Antifa is worrisome too! At least to me.

(This suggests to me, that they tacitly approve of this violence against Americans who they disagree with politically. Which does not inspire confidence in me in the leftist leadership.)

This story is a microcosm of that pattern.

I think it will get worse.

And I am very concerned about the left doing this “institutionally” if they had unbridled political power.

This story is worthy of World News. And to ignore it would be apathy-mongering.

 

[Theo520]

you don’t understand that term - ad hominim

Lessons for lol

If I reject an article because it’s posted by CNN, Lifesite, etc and elaborate on how bad the site is as my sole justification for ignoring the article, that is an ad hominem. Why? Because ad hominem requires one to attack the man as a deflection to addressing the content. That’s why it’s a logical fallacy.

If I reject the article and refute specific points in the article, then criticize the source as a bad source, that isn’t an ad hominem because I actually refuted the content in addition to slagging off the source. No logical fallacy.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Shokin was dirty. Period

Not responsive.

the vast majority of abortions are by women outside of marriage, so one can equate Trump’s behaviors with the behaviors that result in abortion.

Not at all. Since the greatest number of live births are also in the demographic that is targeted by the abortion mills, this proves nothing at all.

It sure seems like he is covering up an affair on his current wife right after she bore their child.

People pay “nuisance value” to settle lawsuits they don’t believe in all the time. What’s your proof that he actually had an affair with Ms. Daniels other than her saying so for money?

Nice to see your time away didn’t dull your ability to get in the little digs, eh, Ridge?

It’s not a “little dig”. Supporting abortion promoting politicians is profoundly evil. . . .

 

[drcube]

Not responsive.

To what? That he was dirty and everyone wanted him fired, so Biden was hardly unique in that and it didn’t have anything to do with his son.

Not at all. Since the greatest number of live births are also in the demographic that is targeted by the abortion mills, this proves nothing at all.

Well, that’s an interesting argument. I guess you should supply percentages because I am pretty sure 86% of births are not outside of wedlock, hence, a pregnancy outside of wedlock is much, much more likely to end in abortion.

People pay “nuisance value” to settle lawsuits they don’t believe in all the time. What’s your proof that he actually had an affair with Ms. Daniels other than her saying so for money?

That he paid her off. After all, Trump doesn’t settle lawsuits. The fact that he settled this one is a strong indication that he did have sexual relations with her.

It’s not a “little dig”. Supporting abortion promoting politicians is profoundly evil. Those who do might as well be holding the knife themselves. “Oh, it will happen anyway” could be used to murder anybody, since everybody dies.

This isn’t Catholic teaching. Most theologians consider voting for pro-choice politicians remote cooperation with evil and that is certainly not holding the knife themselves. Since it is a Catholic website, we should stick with actual Catholic teaching and not your personal theology.

 

[TheLittleLady]

For those of us who have been on the streets of NYC, it is rather stunning that such an elaborate attack would take place in broad daylight without being caught on a security camera or someone’s cell phone. At the minimum without a witness or three speaking up.

 

[dvdjs]

For those of us who have been on the streets of NYC, it is rather stunning that such an elaborate attack would take place in broad daylight without being caught on a security camera or someone’s cell phone. At the minimum without a witness or three speaking up.

And eapparently it did not happen at the event where there surely would have been witnesses wpho could have corroborated the story. We’ll see how the story develops.

 

[JanetF]

I was wondering where all the video footage was that would corroborate/dispute the story. Don’t they have CCTV cameras in NYC?

 

[TheLittleLady]

Yep, and stores have security cameras that pick up what happens on the street.

 

[Ridgerunner]

That he was dirty

What exactly did he do? He’s not being prosecuted for anything.

Well, that’s an interesting argument. I guess you should supply percentages because I am pretty sure 86% of births are not outside of wedlock, hence, a pregnancy outside of wedlock is much, much more likely to end in abortion

The black community is specially targeted by the abortionists. About 70% of all black births are out of wedlock. So an 86% “out of wedlock” abortion rate generally would not be surprising.

But blaming abortion on Trump is really just a slander against him because you don’t know whether he actually ever had sex with Daniels, let alone whether she ever had an abortion. Meanwhile, many voters vote for abortion supporting politicians and think themselves innocent of the killing even though they’re not innocent of it at all.

Most theologians consider voting for pro-choice politicians remote cooperation with evil and that is certainly not holding the knife themselves. Since it is a Catholic website, we should stick with actual Catholic teaching and not your personal theology.

I do not accept the decisions of “most theologians”. I do, however, care what Pope Benedict said about it. He said one could vote for an abortion-supporter only when there was a “proportionate reason” to do so. So, what counterbalances 1 million murders per year in your opinion? What is “proportionate” to that?

 

[drcube]

What exactly did he do? He’s not being prosecuted for anything.

He was corrupt and it sounds like everyone knew it.

The black community is specially targeted by the abortionists. About 70% of all black births are out of wedlock. So an 86% “out of wedlock” abortion rate generally would not be surprising.

Let’s look at married vs. unmarried for live births and abortion in 2014.

Married: 2.24 million live births, 0.09 million abortions
Unmarried: 1.75 million live births, 0.56 million abortions.

So, less than 4% of pregnancies of married end in abortion and 24% of pregnancies of unmarried end in abortion. Now, tell me sex outside of marriage isn’t the problem.

But blaming abortion on Trump is really just a slander against him because you don’t know whether he actually ever had sex with Daniels, let alone whether she ever had an abortion. Meanwhile, many voters vote for abortion supporting politicians and think themselves innocent of the killing even though they’re not innocent of it at all.

I don’t blame Trump, but I blame all men that have sexual relations outside of marriage as the problem as shown above. He certainly is an adulterer as that was well established by his previous marriages and it is very likely he had sex with Daniels as well. That sort of behavior results in abortions.

I do not accept the decisions of “most theologians”. I do, however, care what Pope Benedict said about it. He said one could vote for an abortion-supporter only when there was a “proportionate reason” to do so. So, what counterbalances 1 million murders per year in your opinion? What is “proportionate” to that?

You should read “Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship” that go through a litany of issues including abortion for Catholics to consider when voting. It does not state that voting for a pro-choice politician is the same as holding the knife and you misrepresented Church teaching to fit your own political desires.

 

[Ridgerunner]

He was corrupt and it sounds like everyone knew it.

Still not responsive. “everyone knew it” demonstrates nothing.

Now, tell me sex outside of marriage isn’t the problem.

Certainly sex outside of marriage is a problem and, as I pointed out, the “out of wedlock” rate for live births in some communities is the great majority, as is the “out of wedlock” abortion rate.

But you haven’t even proved that Trump had sex with Stormy Daniels yet, let alone that she got pregnant, let alone that she had an abortion. You just want it to be true. That wish does not justify participating in abortion by promoting the politicians who support it.

What equal or greater evils than abortion justify supporting abortion-promoting politicians?