Trump Thread Two

[PRmerger]

Analogously:

No. Atheistic evolution is inherently atheistic.

But evolution, in general, is neither atheistic nor theistic.

Yep.

 

[Tomdstone]

On this point, I agree. It is a cheap, politically motivated ploy to gain points by manipulating the heartstrings of the public. But it is not foreign to campaigns or conventions. The GOP convention did the same thing by showcasing the mother of one of the Benghazi victims, who blamed Hillary Clinton personally for the death of her son.

Yes. Both the Democrats and Republicans engage in “cheap, politically motivated ploy to gain points”

 

[3omega]

I’ll grant she certainly isn’t a “conservative” except for being on the side of big business. So, “neocon” doesn’t work precisely. But warlike and interventionist, she certainly is. The old Repub “neocons” were condemned by the left mostly for their interventionist and warlike policies. Hillary Clinton is, if anything, even more so.

For some reason, Dems just don’t want to admit they are backing a person who, when it comes to foreign policy, is more warlike and interventionist than the “neocons” they purported to hate so much.

Hard to imagine there’s anything about her they could like except perhaps abortion on demand.

Not so sure about all of that. The Iraq War, which was an interventionist war, was a war by President Bush. The actions under Obama were more of the ‘no longer going to support the local dictator’ type. There is a big difference between Bush and Obama on foreign wars.

 

[TMC]

Yes. Both the Democrats and Republicans engage in “cheap, politically motivated ploy to gain points”

This, I would think, is a point we can all agree on.

 

[3omega]

But it cuts deep to Trump since veterans are an important part of his base and are a respected “class” of people in American society.

The truth is, it hurt Trump and he lashed out with an ill-advised comment that he shouldn’t have said.

With Trump, it seems that you are either with him or you are his enemy and deserving of his insults and scorn. There isn’t a respected ‘class’ of people that are Americans that fought and died for their country and hence deserving of respect in his eyes, even if they politically disagree with him. If you disagree with him, you are the enemy and that is how he treats the Khan family. It’s also how he is treating his fellow Republican politicians as he is trying to throw Paul Ryan and John McCain under the bus.

This speaks to the other poster’s point of how much damage would a Trump do as President given that he does not seem to think before he speaks and sees the world in this bizarre way and whether or not his supposed position of abortion can outweigh that. Has anyone in the Church said it is acceptable to support Trump?

 

[Coder]

A person has the right to campaign for any cause dear to their hearts.

The Khans obviously feel, as Muslim immigrant Americans, that Trump’s “nativist” approach … dishonours the sacrifices of patriotic Muslim Americans who gave up their lives for the U.S., incidentally in the case of Ms Khan’s son to fight an Islamic country.

Why would they think that? Isn’t it abundantly clear that Donald Trump is simply trying to improve the screening of those entering the U.S. in order to protect innocent U.S. citizens (as is our military)?

 

[Millie123]

Why would they think that? Isn’t it abundantly clear that Donald Trump is simply trying to improve the screening of those entering the U.S. in order to protect innocent U.S. citizens (as is our military)?

No it isnt abundantly clear. In fact I think his abrasive dialogue regarding muslims likely mutes his message and causes confusion…and couple that with his lies like when he said he saw thousands of muslims celebrate in the streets of New Jersey during 9/11. I would suspect this has harmed his relationship with the muslim community and challenges them from hearing his message

 

[Coder]

When the Pope recently was asked about this topic, he responded that there are baptized Catholics in Italy who are violent. If I were coming out of an area of Italy known for such violence and questioned because I am Catholic, I wouldn’t be the least bit offended. In our Bible, it says the apostles were hiding for “fear of the Jews” - we all know the context and that our Bible is in no way antisemitic. Why can’t we see the context in which Donald Trump is speaking?

 

[queenofheartscv]

With Trump, it seems that you are either with him or you are his enemy and deserving of his insults and scorn. There isn’t a respected ‘class’ of people that are Americans that fought and died for their country and hence deserving of respect in his eyes, even if they politically disagree with him. If you disagree with him, you are the enemy and that is how he treats the Khan family. It’s also how he is treating his fellow Republican politicians as he is trying to throw Paul Ryan and John McCain under the bus.

This speaks to the other poster’s point of how much damage would a Trump do as President given that he does not seem to think before he speaks and sees the world in this bizarre way and whether or not his supposed position of abortion can outweigh that. Has anyone in the Church said it is acceptable to support Trump?

This is not entirely true. If trump is that obstinate, he wouldn’t have chosen mike pence as VP, who didn’t endorse him. He is also getting along with marco Rubio. Paul Ryan and john McCain seize every first opportunity to get on TV and bash trump with every little noise the media makes about him. Trump has an amazing intuition on who is friend and who is foe. It’s his battle to fight and i venture to say he knows who can be won over and how. He’s got his own strategy which is probably tested and proven in private sector. You might say politics is different but people, psychology, and relationships and negotiation are the same.

He’s literally working his rear end off putting on 3 rallies a day on average plus rallies by Mike pence. He’s working hard to win this race. Don’t let all the noise distract you into thinking everything is lost. With trump we truly have someone unconventional in skills and mindset, which could be exactly what we need to defeat Hilary and turn the country around. That’s my hope.

 

[Millie123]

When the Pope recently was asked about this topic, he responded that there are baptized Catholics in Italy who are violent. If I were coming out of an area of Italy known for such violence and questioned because I am Catholic, I wouldn’t be the least bit offended. In our Bible, it says the apostles were hiding for “fear of the Jews” - we all know the context and that our Bible is in no way antisemitic. Why can’t we see things the same way for Donald Trump?

The pope has ways of speaking in kindness and honesty which makes his message palatable. Trump often times reminds me of vinegar, not very many people find vinegar palatable . You may think his message is clear, but when he lies and is abrasive towards an entire other religion It shouldn’t be surprising when his message is lost and accompanied with confusion

 

[queenofheartscv]

When the Pope recently was asked about this topic, he responded that there are baptized Catholics in Italy who are violent. If I were coming out of an area of Italy known for such violence and questioned because I am Catholic, I wouldn’t be the least bit offended. In our Bible, it says the apostles were hiding for “fear of the Jews” - we all know the context and that our Bible is in no way antisemitic. Why can’t we see things the same way for Donald Trump?

This is very wise. Can you imagine what political correctness would do to our Bible? Probably tear it to shreds. The Bible certainly is not politically correct. If people want to read it to suit their own purposes there are so many ways to do it. The right spirit, indeed, is necessary for correct interpretations. The media however specializes in sophistry and telling half truths to mislead people.

Nice post!

 

[TMC]

When the Pope recently was asked about this topic, he responded that there are baptized Catholics in Italy who are violent. If I were coming out of an area of Italy known for such violence and questioned because I am Catholic, I wouldn’t be the least bit offended. In our Bible, it says the apostles were hiding for “fear of the Jews” - we all know the context and that our Bible is in no way antisemitic. Why can’t we see the context in which Donald Trump is speaking?

The Pope’s viewpoint on Islam and Trump’s are diametrically opposed. In fact, I can not think of a single topic where the Pope and Trump see eye to eye.

 

[3omega]

This is not entirely true. If trump is that obstinate, he wouldn’t have chosen mike pence as VP, who didn’t endorse him. He is also getting along with marco Rubio. Paul Ryan and john McCain seize every first opportunity to get on TV and bash trump with every little noise the media makes about him. Trump has an amazing intuition on who is friend and who is foe. It’s his battle to fight and i venture to say he knows who can be won over and how. He’s got his own strategy which is probably tested and proven in private sector. You might say politics is different but people, psychology, and relationships and negotiation are the same.

He’s literally working his rear end off putting on 3 rallies a day on average plus rallies by Mike pence. He’s working hard to win this race. Don’t let all the noise distract you into thinking everything is lost. With trump we truly have someone unconventional in skills and mindset, which could be exactly what we need to defeat Hilary and turn the country around. That’s my hope.

Ryan and McCain aren’t bashing Trump. They are not defending the terrible things he said. Trump doesn’t realize he is saying terrible things, which says more about Trump than Ryan or McCain.

I don’t think everything is lost because I don’t support Trump. He is a poor candidate and does not deserve to be President.

 

[PRmerger]

He’s literally working his rear end off putting on 3 rallies a day on average plus rallies by Mike pence.

LOL!

I am 100% certain that he is not literally working his rear end off.

That would be something, wouldn’t it? Literally working one’s rear end off.

Now, figuratively working his rear end off, I can buy.

 

[queenofheartscv]

LOL!

I am 100% certain that he is not literally working his rear end off.

That would be something, wouldn’t it? Literally working one’s rear end off.

Now, figuratively working his rear end off, I can buy.

You’ll have to excuse me. I’m not a native speaker.

 

[PRmerger]

You’ll have to excuse me. I’m not a native speaker.

Ah, I see.
:aok:

You are way ahead of me in being this fluently bilingual, so, :bowdown2:

 

[philipl]

Well, it does. Political speech is protected speech.

I understand that Mr. Kahn (who attended Harvard Law) probably spoke to give a positive view of Muslim Americans. He’s an immigrant Muslim whose son died heroically.

In one of the first interviews Trump gave with Stephanolous he said the Mrs. Kahn didn’t speak because she wasn’t permitted to speak, as, according to trump, many people supposedly wrote.

Why make a stereotypical attack like that on a grieving mother?

He could have given a simple response, “I appreciate the sacrifice of their son, I can’t imagine losing a son.”

But, at that interview, he insulted Mrs. Kahn, he said that Mr. Kahn’s speech was written by Hillary.

And days later, he hasn’t let it go.

Where in the constitution is the phrase protect speech? Just in case you dont know, I will inform you, no where.

Well he went to Harvard Law, that changes everything. We all need to vote for Hillary because is Mr. Khan in favor of her and he just must be so smart.

BTW, Mr. Khan insulted Trump

 

[Michael_Mayo]

LOL!

I am 100% certain that he is not literally working his rear end off.

That would be something, wouldn’t it? Literally working one’s rear end off.

Now, figuratively working his rear end off, I can buy.

He IS literally alienating key leaders in his own party. I feel sorry for him. He doesn’t know how foolish he looks and he can’t stop himself. It is sad. And we want to give him nuclear weapons?

 

[queenofheartscv]

He IS literally alienating key leaders in his own party. I feel sorry for him. He doesn’t know how foolish he looks and he can’t stop himself. It is sad. And we want to give him nuclear weapons?

Best to save this for when he actually loses. Because if he doesn’t, you would be the one looking foolish.

 

[PRmerger]

He IS literally alienating key leaders in his own party. I feel sorry for him. He doesn’t know how foolish he looks and he can’t stop himself. It is sad. And we want to give him nuclear weapons?

What’s that saying? “A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons.”