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estesbob said:
What in the headline was wrong?
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About the hypothetical “Pope Francis refuses to sign an online pledge against pornography”?

Nothing.

But we all know that the headline misrepresents the truth.

QED.
 
The_Bucket said:
I remember when folks said “wait until she’s indicted.”
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They said that, but the indictment was a possibility, it was never a guarantee. The difference with the emails is, it’s pretty much certain and guaranteed that they will be released, isn’t it? It’s a question not of if, but when?
 
_Abyssinia said:
They said that, but the indictment was a possibility, it was never a guarantee. The difference with the emails is, it’s pretty much certain and guaranteed that they will be released, isn’t it? It’s a question not of if, but when?
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Assuming they exist. Right now we only have a criminal on the lamb’s word on it. And he’s talking up such a storm that it makes one wonder if what he has is really all that damning. If they were really damning wouldn’t the emails speak for themselves :confused:
 
_Abyssinia said:
They said that, but the indictment was a possibility, it was never a guarantee. The difference with the emails is, it’s pretty much certain and guaranteed that they will be released, isn’t it? It’s a question not of if, but when?
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Around October 15 They will show she armed ISIS and The Clinton Foundation was trading State Dept favors for contributions
 
Looks like Trump won’t be doing any particularly helpful leading of his party for the rest of the ticket…

usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/02/donald-trump-paul-ryan-john-mccain-republican-primary/87970700/

He’s refusing to endorse John McCain, which isn’t terribly shocking given their tense relationship since Trump mocked McCain last year for being a POW and claiming he doesn’t do enough for vets (a particularly laughable statement given this week’s developments). But he’s also declining to endorse Paul Ryan despite Ryan’s own endorsement of Trump after withdrawing. If this is how he’s going to treat those that have publicly supported him you’re going to find his public support from the rest of the Republican Party quickly drying up. :eek:

I mean veterans groups were already urging Ryan to pull his endorsement of Trump, and this was before this snub.

huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-ryan-donald-trump-veterans_us_579f912de4b0e2e15eb6a467
 
queenofheartscv said:
there is no need to answer your question.
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It is odd that you do not wish to answer this.

This reluctance suggests that you understand that your point has been refuted.

Your source gets her information from the same source that the rest of us does.

She just presents it, ironically, with all the things to which you object: commentary and editing.

One has to wonder why it is permissible for you to use a source that offers commentary and editing, but others can’t?
 
PRmerger said:
It is odd that you do not wish to answer this.

This reluctance suggests that you understand that your point has been refuted.

Your source gets her information from the same source that the rest of us does.

She just presents it, ironically, with all the things to which you object: commentary and editing.

One has to wonder why it is permissible for you to use a source that offers commentary and editing, but others can’t?
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One has to wonder how difficult it is to get the point that the Headline was correct
 
estesbob said:
One has to wonder how difficult it is to get the point that the Headline was correct
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Again, bob.

There is no loss for your side if you simply acknowledged, “Yes, that is a fair argument and I can see that criticizing Pope Francis for not signing a pledge would be unfair.”

It would simply show that you are a reasonable man.

It doesn’t mean that you are wrong for supporting Trump.

Only that you see the argument that I have presented is cogent.
 
PRmerger said:
Again, bob.

There is no loss for your side if you simply acknowledged, “Yes, that is a fair argument and I can see that criticizing Pope Francis for not signing a pledge would be unfair.”

It would simply show that you are a reasonable man.

It doesn’t mean that you are wrong for supporting Trump.

Only that you see the argument that I have presented is cogent.
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Sorry but I don’t think it’s relevant The statement was made that the headline was misleading That is not true
 
estesbob said:
Sorry but I don’t think it’s relevant The statement was made that the headline was misleading That is not true
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There is nothing wrong whatosever in ceding to the “other side” when the argument is cogent.

It makes you appear to be a reasonable man.

I have done it many a time. “Fair enough” are words that every Christian apologist should utter.

“That’s a good point. I haven’t considered that”.

“You are correct here, but here’s where you’re wrong.”

It doesn’t make Catholicism any less true when a Catholic apologist says those things in dialogue with those who are mistaken about Catholicism.

Nor does it make your position any less true regarding the “correctness” of supporting your candidate.
 
Al_Moritz said:
Trump refuses to support Paul Ryan, John McCain in upcoming Republican primaries

From the link:

*With Ryan’s Wisconsin primary scheduled for next Tuesday, Trump praised the House speaker’s underdog opponent, Paul Nehlen, for running “a very good campaign.” Trump said that Ryan has sought his endorsement, but that as of now he is only “giving it very serious consideration.”

“I like Paul, but these are horrible times for our country,” Trump said. “We need very strong leadership. We need very, very strong leadership. And I’m just not quite there yet. I’m not quite there yet.”

Trump’s refusal to back Ryan represents an extraordinary breach of political decorum and signals that the Republican Party remains divided two weeks after a national convention in Cleveland staged to showcase party unity.*
Hehe, you can’t make this stuff up. That’s what Ryan gets for his ill-fated and spineless endorsement of Trump “for the sake of party unity”. Trump may lose badly in November, and if that happens the careers of Ryan and all the other party big-shots who have endorsed Trump will be over with. They will deserve it.
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It seems like everything is pay back to Trump. it almost seems like he’s passive-aggressively threatening any one who doesn’t fall in line. Yesterday he sent a message to congress that he needed a little help with the Kahn fall out. I doubt he got the response he wanted; so, now he’s dissing Republicans who took issue with his treatment of a Gold Star mom. He say’s Putin thinks he’s a genius so he’s bending over backwards to appease the Russians. What a world! What a world!
 
Good_Tidings said:
It seems like everything is pay back to Trump. it almost seems like he’s passive-aggressively threatening any one who doesn’t fall in line. Yesterday he sent a message to congress that he needed a little help with the Kahn fall out. I doubt he got the response he wanted; so, now he’s dissing Republicans who took issue with his treatment of a Gold Star mom. He say’s Putin thinks he’s a genius so he’s bending over backwards to appease the Russians. What a world! What a world!
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Everything is pay back to every politician. Undoubtedly that’s why they are so inclined to go along with each other and claim every other politician is their “friend”. I’m sure every time you cross one of them you get paid back.
 
And now this:

Trump Foreign Policy Adviser Traveled To Russia Prior To Changes In GOP Platform
WASHINGTON ― Just days before Republicans adopted a new, more Russia-friendly plank into their party platform, one of Donald Trump’s top advisers visited Moscow in July to deliver speeches criticizing decades of U.S. foreign policy.
Global energy investor Carter Page joined Trump’s team in March. Since then, Page has criticized U.S.-Russia policy in a number of public speeches, and repeatedly expressed his hope that a closer relationship between the two nations might be possible with Trump in the White House.
“Washington and other Western capitals have impeded potential progress through their often hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption, and regime change,” Page said last month during a commencement speech at a Moscow economics graduate school.
Page also suggested the United States should ease economic sanctions imposed on Russia following its 2014 incursion into Ukraine and Crimea, which was condemned in an overwhelming vote in the United Nations. In exchange for sanctions relief, Page said, American companies might be invited to partner with Russian firms to exploit Russia’s oil and gas fields.
huffingtonpost.com/entry/carter-page-trump-russia_us_57a0f329e4b0693164c2fb41?section=&
 
Good_Tidings said:
And now this:

Trump Foreign Policy Adviser Traveled To Russia Prior To Changes In GOP Platform
WASHINGTON ― Just days before Republicans adopted a new, more Russia-friendly plank into their party platform, one of Donald Trump’s top advisers visited Moscow in July to deliver speeches criticizing decades of U.S. foreign policy.
Global energy investor Carter Page joined Trump’s team in March. Since then, Page has criticized U.S.-Russia policy in a number of public speeches, and repeatedly expressed his hope that a closer relationship between the two nations might be possible with Trump in the White House.
“Washington and other Western capitals have impeded potential progress through their often hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption, and regime change,” Page said last month during a commencement speech at a Moscow economics graduate school.
Page also suggested the United States should ease economic sanctions imposed on Russia following its 2014 incursion into Ukraine and Crimea, which was condemned in an overwhelming vote in the United Nations. In exchange for sanctions relief, Page said, American companies might be invited to partner with Russian firms to exploit Russia’s oil and gas fields.
huffingtonpost.com/entry/carter-page-trump-russia_us_57a0f329e4b0693164c2fb41?section=&
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I’m guessing it’s probably too late for much better relations with Russia. I do remember, however, years ago, when Russians were virtually starving, particularly for meat protein. It was right after the fall of Communism. At the very same time, there was a tremendous glut of poultry in the U.S. (that industry has major cycles) particularly of dark meat. Interestingly, Americans prefer white meat, particularly in fast food, and it’s hard to get rid of the legs and thighs proportionately. Bill Clinton could have had the U.S. buy up the excess dark meat for an absolute song and shipped it to Russia, and some encouraged him to do it. But he wouldn’t. That was a golden opportunity to enter into a better relationship, but it passed, and Russians suffered through a very bad time with no good reason to think well of America and significant reason not to do so.
 
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