Trump Thread

[Little_Sheep]

The precise conversation on abortion has taken place on this very forum on the hillary thread, I think.

The question put to trump is, if abortions are banned, should women who have abortions be punished?

Trump said, some people say they probably should, if abortion is banned.

If something is illegal and people do it anyway, they can’t be punished?

What exactly is cringe worthy?

I’m with you QOHCV (save for the fact that I’m pro-choice). If anti-choicers truly think women are killing babies, why in the world wouldn’t they want women to go to jail forever? Murderers are dangerous people.

 

[queenofheartscv]

It seems we can’t have an honest conversation when trump is involved. He gave an honest answer to the question, “should women who have abortions be punished when abortion is banned?” There is nothing crazy about his answer, but people are already cringing, banging their heads against the wall.

Next time the headline will be, oh my gosh, trump is speaking again! Get ready to faint.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I’m with you QOHCV (save for the fact that I’m pro-choice). If anti-choicers truly think women are killing babies, why in the world wouldn’t they want women to go to jail forever? Murderers are dangerous people.

It’s a conversation that needs to happen. Trump didn’t, however, say the women should go to jail forever. he simply said, some people say these women probably should be punished.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I’m with you QOHCV (save for the fact that I’m pro-choice). If anti-choicers truly think women are killing babies, why in the world wouldn’t they want women to go to jail forever? Murderers are dangerous people.

It’s cringeworthy because no one in the prolife movement sees women who have had abortions as murderers. They are most often women in a sad situation who made a wrong choice based on the options available to them. Some women are coerced. Some are lied to. Many regret their choice and wish to have made a different choice.

 

[jtauke]

Good zingers from Ann Coulter twitter:

"Like Americans everywhere, I know I’ll always remember where I was when news arrived of the tragic assault on Michelle Fields.

Whatever your politics, whatever your ethnicity or religion, please take a moment to pray for the recovery of brave Michelle Fields.

All respect to Harriet Tubman, but it’s Michelle Fields who should go on the $20 bill. Her courage will inspire generations yet unborn."

twitter.com/AnnCoulter/

Surprise, she never misses a chance to be rude and sarcastic. She’s a blight on our party, just like Trump.

 

[queenofheartscv]

It’s cringeworthy because no one in the prolife movement sees women who have had abortions as murderers. They are most often women in a sad situation who made a wrong choice based on the options available to them. Some women are coerced. Some are lied to. Many regret their choice and wish to have made a different choice.

Can’t we say the same about people who commit many other crimes such as murder, robbery, drug sales, theft?

Why can’t an honest conversation be had?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

It seems we can’t have an honest conversation when trump is involved. He gave an honest answer to the question, “should women who have abortions be punished when abortion is banned?” There is nothing crazy about his answer, but people are already cringing, banging their heads against the wall.

Next time the headline will be, oh my gosh, trump is speaking again! Get ready to faint.

Because no actual prolife advocate calls for this. He isn’t prolife. He hasn’t even consulted with a myriad of prolife organizations. He just talks and makes stuff up as he goes along.

Not going to faint. Thanks for the concern.

 

[Little_Sheep]

It’s cringeworthy because no one in the prolife movement sees women who have had abortions as murderers. They are most often women in a sad situation who made a wrong choice based on the options available to them. Some women are coerced. Some are lied to. Many regret their choice and wish to have made a different choice.

And many, many don’t. What shall we do with them?

MG, I do not wish to doubt your sincerity, but I could easily find 50 abortion threads right now on CAF that reference women murdering or killing their babies. Honestly, that IS the predominate rhetoric for those who are against choice. It seems unfair to rip on Trump for making the logical conclusion that someone who kills in cold blood should be punished.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Because no actual prolife advocate calls for this. He isn’t prolife. He hasn’t even consulted with a myriad of prolife organizations. He just talks and makes stuff up as he goes along.

Not going to faint. Thanks for the concern.

I have known at least three abortions within my family and friends, all of which happened because they don’t wish to have another child.

How is it making stuff up when it’s simply following logic? It’s called thinking?

If there is no punishment involved, what’s to deter people from having illegal abortions?

In your opinion, there can’t be any form of punishment for women who have abortions, when abortion is banned? Not even community service? A monetary fine?

 

[Seamus_L]

It’s murder, but we shouldn’t have penalties for people responsible for it. I didn’t cringe at all when I read his words.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I have known at least three abortions within my family and friends, all of which happened because they don’t wish to have another child.

How is it making stuff up when it’s simply following logic? It’s called thinking?

No. It isn’t thinking. He wants to appear prolife, then perhaps consult with prolife organizations for guidance? That would be thinking and perhaps somewhat convincing that he really is prolife.

 

[queenofheartscv]

No. It isn’t thinking. He wants to appear prolife, then perhaps consult with prolife organizations for guidance? That would be thinking and perhaps somewhat convincing that he really is prolife.

You are the one who is not thinking. You are not providing any explanation to support your argument that no punishment is warranted. Your only argument is trump is trying to pretend.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Can’t we say the same about people who commit many other crimes such as murder, robbery, drug sales, theft?

Why can’t an honest conversation be had?

We can say exactly the same about people who commit murder, robbery, drug sales, etc. There are exceptions, of course, but most people who commit those crimes are coerced by something, are enduring hard economic times, are mentally ill, etc. And, conversely, some women who kill their unborn children do so just because they want to be rid of the child. I know one woman who had an abortion, and she told me she was just beginning law school, and she didn’t want to be “burdened” with a child. So, she killed it. She wasn’t forced, she wasn’t economically disadvantaged, she just didn’t want a child, even if she gave it to a loving couple to adopt.

I agree with Trump on little, but I do agree with him on this.

 

[Tomdstone]

:banghead:

I have no words.

I think Trump is absolutely right on this issue. If a woman contracts to murder her husband, should she suffer some punishment? If yes, why should it be any different if a woman contracts to murder her unborn child. Actually, with partial birth abortion, the fully formed child is there already.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

You are the one who is not thinking. You are not providing any explanation to support your argument that no punishment is warranted. Your only argument is trump is trying to pretend.

Ok, I’m not thinking.
I’ve been tangently involved in the prolife movement for over 11 years. I have never heard anyone in the prolife movement call for criminal prosecution of those who have had abortions. Prosecution of doctors yes. Not of women.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Ok, I’m not thinking.
I’ve been tangently involved in the prolife movement for over 11 years. I have never heard anyone in the prolife movement call for criminal prosecution of those who have had abortions. Prosecution of doctors yes. Not of women.

That’s because abortion is legal right now. There is no reason to call for punishing the women. But if a ban is in place, we can’t do anything at all to deter illegal abortions? Nothing should be done at all?

This is so illogical.

 

[Tomdstone]

Ok, I’m not thinking.
I’ve been tangently involved in the prolife movement for over 11 years. I have never heard anyone in the prolife movement call for criminal prosecution of those who have had abortions. Prosecution of doctors yes. Not of women.

I think that they were wrong and that Mr. Trump is correct. Just as a woman is punished if she murders her sister, so should she be punished if she murders her unborn child.

 

[Tomdstone]

That’s because abortion is legal right now. There is no reason to call for punishing the women. But if a ban is in place, we can’t do anything at all to deter illegal abortions? Nothing should be done at all?

This is so illogical.

To do nothing at all certainly would be illogical and inconsistent with the fact that an unborn child is a human being who does not deserve to be murdered by his mother.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I think that they were wrong and that Mr. Trump is correct. Just as a woman is punished if she murders her sister, so should she be punished if she murders her unborn child.

I think the father should be part of the picture too, not just the woman.

The punishment has to fit the crime, too. Depending on the circumstance, the form of punishment can vary.

I’m shocked to see that a conversation like this can’t even hit the ground without people pulling their hair out.

 

[pnewton]

It’s murder, but we shouldn’t have penalties for people responsible for it. I didn’t cringe at all when I read his words.

Agreed. No cringing here. There are reasons to punish any where from little to a lot. There is no right answer. Attacks on Trump for this are attacks for the sake of attacking.