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He only inherited about five million, so I guess that makes him poor.
No one knows exactly what he inherited because it is not public knowledge. Most put it at about $40M, because five siblings split an estimated $200M real estate business. But it may have been more because he became president of his late father’s real estate business when his father died, so he could have been left a larger stake. $40M in 1999 would be worth about $60M in today’s dollars.

Edited to correct mistake on date of his father’s death (1999).
 
Perhaps it’s because we see things you are rationalizing away.
You can say I’m rationalizing things away, and I can say you have very little understanding of the human condition. Or we can agree to disagree. 🙂
 
What family is that of which you speak? First, second, or third?
How snarky! I come from a very troubled family and therefore have great sympathy for those with failed marriages. Perhaps others have a perfect family and have been with angels all their lives and feel they have a righteous right to judge others, especially if they are filthy rich since they are not a group called blessed by the Lord–no that would be the poor.

But the Lord is quite fair. He will judge us exactly the way we have judged others.
 
From today’s Guardian:
When there is upheaval within China’s own borders – riots, protests, vicious political power struggles – hardly a sniff of it will be found in the pages of the country’s heavily-controlled press.
When it happens elsewhere – and particularly when it underscores the perils and pitfalls of democracy – it becomes front-page news.
Such is the case of Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, who, for China’s authoritarian rulers, has become the latest example of how allowing the masses a say in choosing their leaders is a bad idea.
“The rise of a racist in the US political area worries the whole world,” the party-controlled Global Times crowed this week ahead of of Trump’s victory in the latest round of primaries. “He has even been called another Benito Mussolini or Adolf Hitler by some western media.”
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This article has been posted earlier in this thread.
catholicnewsagency.com/news/can-a-catholic-in-good-conscience-vote-for-trump-76894/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+catholicnewsagency%2Fdailynews+%28CNA+Daily+News%29&utm_term=daily+news

Take a look at the comments. Majority are faithful Catholics, and they say they would vote for Trump.

I don’t like Trump; I think he’s fake.If I were in their position, I wouldn’t vote for him.

Having said that, look at the reasons the people have cited. They’re sick and tired of Church leaders supporting illegal immigration and other issues that are matters of prudential judgment.

While I vehemently disagree with their choice, I totally understand where they’re coming from. They’re voting for Trump because they’re sick and tired of the establishment, and Church leaders being spineless when it comes to Church teachings, and catering to the liberal cause.
 
This article has been posted earlier in this thread.
catholicnewsagency.com/news/can-a-catholic-in-good-conscience-vote-for-trump-76894/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+catholicnewsagency%2Fdailynews+%28CNA+Daily+News%29&utm_term=daily+news

Take a look at the comments. Majority are faithful Catholics, and they say they would vote for Trump.

I don’t like Trump; I think he’s fake.If I were in their position, I wouldn’t vote for him.

Having said that, look at the reasons the people have cited. They’re sick and tired of Church leaders supporting illegal immigration and other issues that are matters of prudential judgment.

While I vehemently disagree with their choice, I totally understand where they’re coming from. They’re voting for Trump because they’re sick and tired of the establishment, and Church leaders being spineless when it comes to Church teachings, and catering to the liberal cause.
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Having said that, look at the reasons the people have cited. They’re sick and tired of Church leaders supporting illegal immigration and other issues that are matters of prudential judgment.

While I vehemently disagree with their choice, I totally understand where they’re coming from. They’re voting for Trump because they’re sick and tired of the establishment, and Church leaders being spineless when it comes to Church teachings, and catering to the liberal cause.
So Church leaders support compassionate policies towards immigrants because they’re spineless liberals, not because it’s the right and Christian thing to do?
 
So Church leaders support compassionate policies towards immigrants because they’re spineless liberals, not because it’s the right and Christian thing to do?
I don’t consider them spineless liberals who aren’t trying to do the right thing; but the fact is that saying “People who come to this country illegally will receive our help and protection” isn’t necessarily the wisest thing to do.
 
I don’t consider them spineless liberals who aren’t trying to do the right thing; but the fact is that saying “People who come to this country illegally will receive our help and protection” isn’t necessarily the wisest thing to do.
It’s not fair that illegal immigrants break the law and are rewarded with a prize. Legal immigrants don’t like it because they know how hard it has been for them. If I want to sponsor my brother to come here, it’ll take at least 10-12 years waiting in line. I also have to prove that I can financially support them if need be.

The lower-to-middle class probably do feel competition from illegals in the job market, although I don’t have any first-hand experience in that.

It really is a bad idea to condone law-breaking.
 
It’s not fair that illegal immigrants break the law and are rewarded with a prize. Legal immigrants don’t like it because they know how hard it has been for them. If I want to sponsor my brother to come here, it’ll take at least 10-12 years waiting in line. I also have to prove that I can financially support them if need be.

The lower-to-middle class probably do feel competition from illegals in the job market, although I don’t have any first-hand experience in that.

It really is a bad idea to condone law-breaking.
It’s hard for me to feel bad about what the illegal immigrants are doing since the US was founded mostly by the descendants of white Europeans who broke a kind of moral law by coming here and stealing the land from Native Americans (that includes my own ancestors who came to 17th century New England). The states of California, New Mexico, etc. were stolen from Mexico.
 
It’s hard for me to feel bad about what the illegal immigrants are doing since the US was founded mostly by the descendants of white Europeans who broke a kind of moral law by coming here and stealing the land from Native Americans. The states of California, New Mexico, etc. were stolen from Mexico.
The difference is, though, that those who first came here had nothing. They had to build everything from scratch.

The concept of a nation is also very different today from the past. We’ve had wars and land-grabbing from time immemorial, but today we no longer have that type of aggression nor does anybody tolerate it. So it’s not necessary right to shift the blame onto your ancestors (not really mine since I’m Asian).
 
I refuse to believe that those supporting the racism, misogyny, xenophobia, vulgarity, narcissism, and boorishness of Trump are “normal Americans.” If they are, we are in very scary times, indeed.
That is quite a strawman you’ve created. 👍
 
How snarky! I come from a very troubled family and therefore have great sympathy for those with failed marriages. Perhaps others have a perfect family and have been with angels all their lives and feel they have a righteous right to judge others, especially if they are filthy rich since they are not a group called blessed by the Lord–no that would be the poor.

But the Lord is quite fair. He will judge us exactly the way we have judged others.
I was responding to a poster who was holding up Trump’s family life as an example. I think - especially for voters who claim to value Christian principles - that a thrice-married politician who has bragged about committing adultery with married women is a curious choice. It speaks to issues of character, and that is, indeed, something that is certainly in play when one is running for president.

As you’re not running for president, I have great sympathy for any family issues you have had, but they are irrelevant to this discussion.
 
That is quite a strawman you’ve created. 👍
I prefer to cling to the hope that people’s better natures will ultimately prevail, and refuse to believe that those very ugly traits which have thus far been displayed are typical of most Americans. (I believe it was originally another poster who used the term “normal”.)
 
I was responding to a poster who was holding up Trump’s family life as an example. I think - especially for voters who claim to value Christian principles - that a thrice-married politician who has bragged about committing adultery with married women is a curious choice. It speaks to issues of character, and that is, indeed, something that is certainly in play when one is running for president.

As you’re not running for president, I have great sympathy for any family issues you have had, but they are irrelevant to this discussion.
You keep saying he bragged about committing adultery. I know his ex-wife marla said something to the tabloids about their love life, but what did trump say?

He’s said during recent interviews that he’s been a better father than husband.
 
This article has been posted earlier in this thread.
catholicnewsagency.com/news/can-a-catholic-in-good-conscience-vote-for-trump-76894/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+catholicnewsagency%2Fdailynews+%28CNA+Daily+News%29&utm_term=daily+news
. They’re voting for Trump because they’re sick and tired of the establishment, and Church leaders being spineless when it comes to Church teachings, and catering to the liberal cause.
Church teaching speaks for itself.
 
I’m not saying I agree with this article but it certainly jumped out at me. These are the more important things in the end, not some of these more trivial matters, in fact, I’d think it is probably an erroneous assessment, Trump is upsetting everyone, at least in the establishment.
Global risks: Trump presidency as dangerous as jihadi terrorism, says The Economist
Politico reports: A Donald Trump presidency poses a top-10 risk event that could disrupt the world economy, lead to political chaos in the U.S. and heighten security risks for the United States, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit.
Electing Trump could also start a trade war, hurt trade with Mexico and be a godsend to terrorist recruiters in the Middle East, according to the latest EIU forecasts.
politico.com/story/2016/03/economist-trump-presidency-global-risk-220887

Disagree.
 
You keep saying he bragged about committing adultery. I know his ex-wife marla said something to the tabloids about their love life, but what did trump say?

He’s said during recent interviews that he’s been a better father than husband.
From Trump’s book, The Art of the Deal :“If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller,” he wrote.

For starters.
 
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