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Thorolfr said:
So what have Republicans been doing to help African Americans?

And is the Democrat Largess to which African Americans have supposedly become addicted similar to the largess that both parties give to big corporations (i.e. “corporate welfare”)?
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they promote Policies that help all Americans

Corporate welfare is a myth What most people consider to be corporate welfare is nothing more than legitimate tax deductions.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
It is absolutely not the case in California. I know of families that are on the 4th or 5th generation of, at least, Medi-Cal
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Yeah,that’s why I was wondering if famlies reapply because that does seem to be the case by and large,generational.
 
estesbob said:
they promote Policies that help all Americans

Corporate welfare is a myth What most people consider to be corporate welfare is nothing more than legitimate tax deductions.
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The Republicans need to end the love affair with Big Business, which is nearly as bad as Big Government. At least I can (theoretically) vote the bums out.

But they provide thousands of jobs. By causing the loss of more than thousands of jobs by putting small businesses out of, err, business.

I grow more and more attracted to GK Chesterton’s distributism, TBH. 🙂
 
Listening to Trump on livefeed from Bethpage Long Island right outside NYC. Sounds like the police set an example for the correct way to handle these rallies 👍 Mr Trump is saying there were way more people present than the nearly 10.000 reported. On to Los Angeles County on Friday !
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
No one is against temporary help. What most of us are against is welfare as a permanent life-style.
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So what was someone supposed to do who worked permanently at low paying jobs such as at Walmart, for example? Shouldn’t Walmart have paid its employees more and provided health insurance and benefits for all its employees so that they didn’t have to rely on Medicaid and other public assistance programs such as food stamps?
Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.
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Americans for Tax Fairness, a coalition of 400 national and state-level progressive groups, made this estimate using data from a 2013 study by Democratic Staff of the U.S. Committee on Education and the Workforce.
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“The study estimated the cost to Wisconsin’s taxpayers of Walmart’s low wages and benefits, which often force workers to rely on various public assistance programs,” reads the report, available in full here.
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“It found that a single Walmart Supercenter cost taxpayers between $904,542 and $1.75 million per year, or between $3,015 and $5,815 on average for each of 300 workers.”
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forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#64f398887cd8
 
estesbob said:
they promote Policies that help all Americans

Corporate welfare is a myth What most people consider to be corporate welfare is nothing more than legitimate tax deductions.
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Corporate welfare is a myth huh?
Perhaps no industry has received as much bipartisan federal support as Big Sugar. Cochran, a supporter of pro-sugar agricultural policy, has received a total of $40,500 from the sugar industry this year, and his position is hardly unique. American Crystal Sugar Company has donated over $1.3 million to 221 members of Congress this election cycle, following $1.4 million spent on lobbying in 2013.
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Lawmakers across the political spectrum, from Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) to Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL), support using taxpayer dollars to subsidize the American sugar industry. In the House, 46 percent of members—109 Democrats and 92 Republicans—received money from American Crystal Sugar in this election cycle.
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The program that supports the American sugar industry has many facets. Most infamous is a subsidy program in which the U.S. Department of Agriculture gives loans to sugar farmers and allows them to repay those loans with raw sugar if sugar prices fall below 20.9 cents per pound. This program functions as an effective mass purchase of sugar, which drives up prices for consumers and thus doubly subsidizes the industry. The USDA then sells this sugar at a steeply discounted price to ethanol producers. Last year the USDA spent $53.3 million on the program. Including the loans that could not be repaid, the government spent $171.5 million.
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economics21.org/commentary/sugar-subsidies-are-bitter-deal-american-consumers

So I suppose that American Crystal Sugar Company is just giving out 1.3 million dollars to members of congress just for fun? It’s not because they want millions and millions of dollars in corporate welfare. :rolleyes:
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
It is absolutely not the case in California. I know of families that are on the 4th or 5th generation of, at least, Medi-Cal
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Since a generation is between 20-25 years and Medicare in only 60 years old (and MediCal is less than that) I will assume you mean that many different generations of a family are eligible for MediCal. However, those over 65 would be in Medicare. Children whose parents are incapable of providing health insurance probably should not be accused of taking advantage of the system as I don’t think the chose to be on MediCal. Federally recognized disabled people are also on Medicare, not MediCal.

Many of the people on MediCal are what are known as the working poor. They have jobs (sometimes two or three). Yet they don’t make enough to afford medical insurance and are not fortunate enough to work for someone that pays for their insurance.

BTW, do you consider state and federal employees the same as MediCal users. Some of them had parents and grandparents that worked for the government(s).
 
estesbob said:
they promote Policies that help all Americans

Corporate welfare is a myth What most people consider to be corporate welfare is nothing more than legitimate tax deductions.
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Just because it is legal doesn’t make it less than welfare. After all, abortion being legal doesn’t mean it isn’t murder.
 
Thorolfr said:
So are you going to claim that African Americans were better off before the Civil Rights Movement?
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In many instances they were. There were many more intact families than there are now and far fewer babies born out of wedlock.
 
sallybutler said:
Just because it is legal doesn’t make it less than welfare. After all, abortion being legal doesn’t mean it isn’t murder.
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taking less of the money a company earns is not welfare . Of course if one adopts the modern liberal theory that all money belongs to the government and taxation decides how much of the government money a company gets to keep then it would be welfare
 
estesbob said:
taking less of the money a company earns is not welfare . Of course if one adopts the modern liberal theory that all money belongs to the government and taxation decides how much of the government money a company gets to keep then it would be welfare
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My theory is that if one taxable entity has a tax break that all do not have, it is welfare. My other theory is that just because it is legal does not make it moral or right (much like abortion is legal).
 
sallybutler said:
My theory is that if one taxable entity has a tax break that all do not have, it is welfare. My other theory is that just because it is legal does not make it moral or right (much like abortion is legal).
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So keeping money you make is welfare???
 
estesbob said:
So keeping money you make is welfare???
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We should all get to keep all the money we make. We don’t need roads or bridges or schools or a military to protect us…:rolleyes:

And what about all the businesses like American Crystal Sugar Company that get subsidies? Aren’t those subsidies a form of welfare?
 
sallybutler said:
It depends. Does everyone else get to keep the same money they make???
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But big corporations need tax breaks to support their managers’ and high-level executives’ lavish lifestyles. Mom-and-pop small businesses don’t need tax breaks because their owners don’t have such big expenses. Now doesn’t that make sense?
 
Thorolfr said:
We should all get to keep all the money we make. We don’t need roads or bridges or schools or a military to protect us…:rolleyes:

And what about all the businesses like American Crystal Sugar Company that get subsidies? Aren’t those subsidies a form of welfare?
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No no no. Subsidies begins with an s, welfare begins s with a w.
 
meltzerboy said:
But big corporations need tax breaks to support their managers’ and high-level executives’ lavish lifestyles. Mom-and-pop small businesses don’t need tax breaks because their owners don’t have such big expenses. Now doesn’t that make sense?
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Silly me.
 
Peter_J said:
So first it was saying “murder” as many times as you could hoping to wear us down, and now you’re claiming that restrictions on abortion are a violation of religious liberty? I’m starting to wonder why I ever bothered responding to your posts.
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I’ve only said “murder” in posts because so many on CAF use the word.
 
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