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josie_L said:
The vilification of Trump is in and of itself very un-Christian (not saying the guy is perfect).
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Pointing out the dangerous flaws in an aspiring demagogue is in no way un-Christian; if only more had done so in Germany in the early '30s.
 
dixieagle said:
Crucial reading for anyone who calls himself Catholic:

Resisting the Demagogue - George Weigel

firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2016/03/resisting-the-demagogue

“There is nothing remotely Catholic about the Trump sensibility.”

“So by all means, fellow-Americans, be angry. But please don’t channel that anger into support for a candidate who is utterly unfit—by character, by wit, or by life experience—to lead America for the next four years.”

“… thanks to Obama administration fecklessness, the next president is going to face the most dangerous world situation since 1947.”

The thought of Trump with his finger on the nuclear button is truly terrifying.
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Path_Finder said:
Well said, and he is honest and that takes up some slack. I’m not in his corner but I don’t have problems with him.

I think Rush had a good analogy, what if one called the exterminator because one had problems with pests in one’s house; the exterminator is vulgar and boastful but in the end, he does his job. Rush was saying, this is kind of the way that Trump supporters think.
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Let’s try this again:
What (or who) needs extermination?
 
Theo520 said:
People have monitored how the protestors are being organized, and it’s by militant left wing agitators and groups, the ones funded by like of Soros or moveon.org.

Trying to blame this orchestrated violence on Trump is a pathetic deflection.
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I don’t know. I agree that much of the anti-Trump protests are funded, organized by left groups. But I also think there are those attending these rallies of their own free will, out of concern for Trump’s positions on issues like immigration, race relations, attitudes toward women, Muslims, violence in society as means of conflict resolution, free press, free speech. I would be concerned if there were NOT protests against a Trump candidacy in the US, given our democratic principles and foundation. If he comes to Seattle, I would think about peaceful protest along these lines - and no one is paying me. Cleveland is going to be a hoot. One for the history books. It will take 30-40 years for the Republicans to begin to live it down.
 
Robert_Bay said:
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Thank you for giving me an infraction when I deserved it. I do not envy you during this political season. I will keep you in my prayers.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I believe we’re going to see agitators showing up at Hillary rallies at similar levels to Trumps.

Trump has already told his supporters to go the Sanders rallies and heckle him, but Sanders is pretty much finished, so they’ll head to Hillary rallies.

Jim
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So that’s your projection but we have no supporting evidence to date of her opponents using this tactic.

From my memory, I recall two protest incidents
  • a BLM agitator interrupted a Hillary fundraising event, implying she was racist by referencing 90’s video.
  • a Vet gave Bill a hard time about Benghazi at one of his speaking events.
Unless you know of many more, I don’t see any organized effort to agitate against Hillary, even by the Bernie Boys.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I don’t know. I agree that much of the anti-Trump protests are funded, organized by left groups. But I also think there are those attending these rallies of their own free will, out of concern for Trump’s positions on issues like immigration, race relations, attitudes toward women, Muslims, violence in society as means of conflict resolution, free press, free speech. I would be concerned if there were NOT protests against a Trump candidacy in the US, given our democratic principles and foundation. If he comes to Seattle, I would think about peaceful protest along these lines - and no one is paying me. Cleveland is going to be a hoot. One for the history books. It will take 30-40 years for the Republicans to begin to live it down.
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None are disputing the masses are no more than unpaid social justice warriors heeding the call to agitate. But it’s all being orchestrated by the left, it’s not a conspiracy orchestrated by Trump. These agitators are pushing to shut down free speech, not present an alternative narrative to Trump.

Maybe I’ll see you in Seattle, just don’t throw rocks at me 👍
 
josie_L said:
The vilification of Trump is in and of itself very un-Christian (not saying the guy is perfect).
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Un-christian to call out an immoral man as unfit for the office of the President?

How do you figure?
 
jtauke said:
Un-christian to call out an immoral man as unfit for the office of the President?

How do you figure?
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I had the same question. It is our duty to stand up and be counted. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke
 
Happening right now in Arizona:

abc15.com/news/region-northeast-valley/fountain-hills/donald-trump-protesters-block-traffic-in-fountain-hills-arizona-video

**Protesters lined the streets of Fountain Hills on Saturday morning to block traffic to the Donald Trump rally.
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Air15 video showed protesters blocking Shea Boulevard with a couple Maricopa County Sheriff Deputies on scene.

For those of you interested in live video of the protests. I’m surprised the protesters are allowed the block the road without incurring consequences.

rsbn.tv/live-stream-donald-trump-rally-in-phoenix-az-3-19-16/
 
jtauke said:
Un-christian to call out an immoral man as unfit for the office of the President?

How do you figure?
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That is rather a loaded question, it implies that everyone believes he is in fact unfit for office, rather than it being an extension of your own understanding of who the man is. Moreover, I don’t know of any politician who is entirely moral or immoral, so to state unequivocally that Trump is an immoral man lacks nuance.

I also take umbrage with the language and/or comparisons made to Hitler and the like when speaking of Trump. He may not be your cup of tea, but that does not mean he is a fascist or evil. . . etc.

p.s. I do not necessarily like people calling the “protestors” at Trump rallies “brownshirts” either, but after witnessing what they did, they do deserve to be criticized, rightfully so, since we do indeed have evidence for their transgressions.
 
dixieagle said:
I had the same question. It is our duty to stand up and be counted. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke
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All I can say is, the more you use such words as evil, immoral, fascist, racist to vilify trump, the more his numbers will go up.

The reason for that you can figure out gradually.
 
dixieagle said:
I had the same question. It is our duty to stand up and be counted. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke
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Assuming you are right about who Trump is, i.e., that he is evil or so immoral that he is not fit to be president.
 
Police need to start arresting and bringing charges against these anti-Trump protesters who are using violence and intimidation tactics. The numbers arrested in Chicago were ridiculously low.
 
josie_L said:
That is rather a loaded question, it implies that everyone believes he is in fact unfit for office, rather than it being an extension of your own understanding of who the man is. Moreover, I don’t know of any politician who is entirely moral or immoral, so to state unequivocally that Trump is an immoral man lacks nuance.

I also take umbrage with the language and/or comparisons made to Hitler and the like when speaking of Trump. He may not be your cup of tea, but that does not mean he is a fascist or evil. . . etc.

p.s. I do not necessarily like people calling the “protestors” at Trump rallies “brownshirts” either, but after witnessing what they did, they do deserve to be criticized, rightfully so, since we do indeed have evidence for their transgressions.
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Name-calling isn’t useful for anyone in the long-run, so I agree.

In the USA anyone who disrupts an event where the Secret Service are involved with security has committed a federal (national) offense and broken the law.

Those who disrupted the Trump rally in Chicago inside should be identified, arrested and prosecuted.

Also, were I the frontrunner’s campaign, I would look into suing the organizations behind this, if nothing else, to compensate the folks who weren’t able to see him.
 
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