meltzerboy
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I support Bernie but, as of now, he has as much chance of becoming the Democratic nominee, let alone POTUS, as a snowflake in h***.And don’t forget Bernie while we’re at it
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Seamus_L
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YES Meltzerboy ! The 1st Amendment covers there right to protest outside a venue the candidate has rented, but not inside.
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Son_of_Niall
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We are IN THE MIDDLE of something very bad.
Our Lady at Fatima said war is a punishment for sin. We have been on a war footing in this country for 15 years. Our society has become more caustic, more violent, more brutal. We murder the unborn in the womb and murder the already born in drone attacks. We torture and make excuses for cops who murder unarmed citizens. We turn away poor and needy refugees.
Will things get worse before they get better? I fear it will. At this point, the only voice of faith and reason is Pope Francis.
meltzerboy
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This just about sums up our nation’s sorry state, which in reality is a global condition.
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Lily_Bernans
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Yes, they’ll get a LOT worse, but not necessarily because of Fatima. And Pope Francis isn’t the only voice of reason. There are many, but most people don’t listen to them.
I used to wonder how much the American people would take from the government before they revolted. It seems Trump is able to tap into that, to his advantage. Whether Americans actually demand a new type of government or fall back on the “tried and true,” even though unworkable, remains to be seen. And I can’t stand Trump.
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randomuser
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Do you think it bodes well for religious freedom that ____ praises PP as “wonderful” – except for abortion? When I hear someone wax eloquent about how “wonderful” (except for abortion) PP is – an organization that isn’t exactly a friend of religious freedom – that raises red flags for me.
PRAY TO STOP THE LEGALI$ED EXECUTION OF BABIES
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Lily_Bernans
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If we make abortion illegal, we have to provide some kind of penalty for the people who make the decision to murder their own children.
Do you think it should be death or life in prison without the possibility of parole, providing no psychiatric illness is present or coercion, things that mitigate any deliberate murder.
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grotto
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Talking points and key words to send messages of hopeless discouragement are cleverly used by pros. Reason, demand, repeat failure of existing government, future doubtful - are revealed repeatedly by those who wish to have power over the people - not the power OF THE PEOPLE!
If you have ever played a word puzzle game of “search and find” the programmed use of words and phrases shows up clearly. The psych clincher is a closing statement to suggest personal sharing as in the above post: “And I can’t stand Trump”.
Another tactic is to use short two or three word chants as in cheerleading. Some phrase that reinforces the former message and this is done several times within a short period of time. Picture the crowds at sporting events shouting - an old one is “Push em’ back - push em’ back - waaay back!”
The only way to weed through a lot of the stuff on this thread is to play the game of word search. The message hidden in the words can be used to cause serious misleading.
How are reasonable people led to reason against their own safety? Seems like this predicament has been around for a long time.
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randomuser
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I was pointing out the inconsistency (and outright curiosity) of how religious freedom is defended by praising Planned Parenthood – except for abortion. I think the ____ fans need to reconcile this inconsistency if they want to retain credibility on being “pro-life,” since that’s the, uh, elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about.
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Son_of_Niall
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Lily_Bernans
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I do agree with that and one candidate’s inconsistencies.
meltzerboy
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You omitted the possibility of torture, which Trump might prefer. (Only joking, Trump advocates.)
Seriously, you raise an interesting point.
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Lily_Bernans
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LOL regarding T. He might prefer torture, but he keeps changing his position on things.
We do punish deliberate murder here in the US even if the person doing the murdering did not make the initial decision to murder.
The fact is, as I know you know, with very, very few exceptions, no woman is coerced to have an abortion; therefore; the vast majority of women make the intentional choice to rid themselves of their unborn child. Is it murder? Legally, not today it isn’t. But should it be made illegal, on what grounds should it made illegal? Because it is the murder of innocent unborn children? Then the woman who makes the choice to murder would have to be assessed a penalty. Mitigating factors, could, of course, be taken into consideration as they are in other murder cases. And since we follow English common law in this country, one murderer has the right to be treated like another murderer. Letting women who choose illegal abortion “off the hook,” if abortion were illegal, would raise grounds for appeal for people who murdered the already-born.
I’m against abortion personally, but I don’t think making it illegal is the way to go. Unconstitutional? A Republican appointed Supreme Court has already passed on that opportunity and upheld Roe v. Wade in PP v. Casey in 1992.
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Monkey1976
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Why not? If a woman can be tried and convicted of murder for killing her own child after it’s born, why not before?
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Lily_Bernans
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If abortion were illegal, I believe any woman who has one should be tried for murder if she kills her child before it’s born.
But most people here seem to think only the doctor is culpable. Certainly he or she would be complicit, but I don’t think he would be culpable to the extent the woman who hired him would be.
Going to an abortionist is contracting for murder, plain and simple.
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grotto
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We’re only doing what we all learned in the secret meetings.
Is this an attempt to suggest that my previous post led you to attempt sarcasm? Otherwise, it is doesn’t make any sense unless you were revealing your personal experience.
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lynnvinc
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I’m just wondering how many of his mistresses and flings Trump has sent in for abortions and how many he will continue to do so. Of course, if he makes it illegal in the U.S., he’ll just send them abroad for a “visit,” the way many women used to do before Wade, those who could afford better than the back alleys or had rich men backing them.
Or, maybe he’ll just follow a “kill everyone” policy. Violence-instigation, war triggering, anti-environment, anti healthy air-water-food, climate change denial (oh, I forgot, Cruz is also in the same killer vein on these latter), head-in-the-sand, etc. Once we’re all dead that would really end abortion quite effectively, but not very humanely.
Dump Trump!
Mr. Hate out of my state!
Let me know if there are anymore anti-Trump slogans. I’m willing to shout them out and risk being attacked and killed by Trumpers – I’m old and have lived a full life…
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queenofheartscv
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What a great imagination you have! You would love to be martyred for the anti-trump cause, but it doesn’t take a prophet to tell you that the Lord probably has other plans for your life.
Have a blessed Sunday!
meltzerboy
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But we need you on CAF as a voice of reason and fighter for the environment and future generations.
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