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TMC said:
I think its a fair conclusion to draw from his remarks. He said that Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals, but that he assumes some are good people. That suggests that he believes most are criminals and rapists. I don’t know what other conclusion can be drawn from what he said.
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I agree. I think you need to purposefully deceive yourself to think otherwise. I think some here need a reminder of what he actually said:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”
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He said that he “assumes” that some are good people. The use of the word “assume” implies that although he has no proof they aren’t all rapists he supposes they aren’t. Then he tosses the word “but” in there which basically cancels out his supposition and we’re right back to Trump calling all Mexican immigrants rapists and drug dealers.

This is classic Trump. He tries to look like he’s not the one making the claim but just relating what he hears from people. Never mind that he won’t say who he hears it from or offer any proof.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Something needs checking. he didn’t say that. First of all he was talking about illegal immigrants. Secondly, he’s saying many of these illegals were criminals, not all.
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I know what he said. He said “some” were good people. Which means most are not. I heard him say it, I have seen it in print many times. He has repeated the comment in many forms and stood by it. If he is willing to stand by it, his supporters should at least be able to admit he said it.
 
J_Peterson said:
I agree. I think you need to purposefully deceive yourself to think otherwise. I think some here need a reminder of what he actually said:

He said that he “assumes” that some are good people. The use of the word “assume” implies that although he has no proof they aren’t all rapists he supposes they aren’t. Then he tosses the word “but” in there which basically cancels out his supposition and we’re right back to Trump calling all Mexican immigrants rapists and drug dealers.

This is classic Trump. He tries to look like he’s not the one making the claim but just relating what he hears from people. Never mind that he won’t say who he hears it from or offer any proof.
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If he really was talking Abiut Mexican immigrants like you suggest, why hasn’t he called for a ban of Mexicans? So far he’s oniy talked about stopping illegal immigration.

You can twist it however you want. Those with common sense know exactly what he is talking about. Not immigrants, but illegals who in many cases are aided by the Mexican government and commit many crimes here in the US.
 
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
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realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/16/trump_mexico_not_sending_us_their_best_criminals_drug_dealers_and_rapists_are_crossing_border.html#!

A bit more nuanced than one might think.

Check original article, the format gave me some problem. Edited.
 
Good for Trump, we don’t need more liberal voters, voting blocs that have no interest in the pro-life agenda.
 
queenofheartscv said:
If he really was talking Abiut Mexican immigrants like you suggest, why hasn’t he called for a ban of Mexicans? So far he’s oniy talked about stopping illegal immigration.

You can twist it however you want. Those with common sense know exactly what he is talking about. Not immigrants, but illegals who in many cases are aided by the Mexican government and commit many crimes here in the US.
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I was commenting solely on the words that came out of his mouth. Show me specifically where and how I twisted his words. If he is not saying what he means than how can you possibly support him? Is he using the different definitions of “assume” and “but” than the ones that I’m familiar with?

You’re last sentence sounds like it is veering into conspiracy theory territory. I’m going to consider it nonsense until I see some evidence.
 
tomarin said:
There’s no question he’s a cyber-bully (and an old fashioned one too, I think). When someone criticizes him he goes on twitter and calls them names and casts aspersions on their character and then his followers pile on. This article goes into the details. (I know it’s the New York Times but I think it’s factually correct.) His goal isn’t to engage in reasoned debate but to instill fear in people who might criticize him.
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I think that’s part of “Republican orthodoxy”: if you don’t back whoever is the front runner, then you’re a bad Republican. 😊
 
pnewton said:
I do not like his life-long pursuit of wealth.
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Personally, I can’t say I particularly like him or dislike him based on his wealth. (Which is curious, since earlier I told another poster “I find your reasoning for supporting Teflon Don to be pretty disturbing” and received this response: “You find it disturbing that he has succeeded in a very competitive world?”)
 
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”

Perhaps it would help to understand the issue with this statement with a simple substitution. There are a lot of blue collar workers here from up north because of the availability of jobs. What if I were to say of them:

“When Michigan sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to Texas DPS and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”
 
Sounds like an argument against the sovereignty of our nation i,e, Mexicans have as much right to be in a part of the US as American citizens do.
 
J_Peterson said:
I was commenting solely on the words that came out of his mouth. Show me specifically where and how I twisted his words. If he is not saying what he means than how can you possibly support him? Is he using the different definitions of “assume” and “but” than the ones that I’m familiar with?

You’re last sentence sounds like it is veering into conspiracy theory territory. I’m going to consider it nonsense until I see some evidence.
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for people who don’t want to address the issue of illegals, it’s convenient to dodge the problem. Trump may not have been articulate when he said what he said but to say he was referring to all Mexican immigrants is simply an excuse.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Barack Obama has wisdom:

…He believes global warming is a bigger problem than ISIS.
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Hadn’t really thought about it but he’s right on that. At least for most parts of the world outside of the Middle East and those other areas where ISIS is doing harm.

Consider how climate change and its knock-on effects and co-effects (harms and pollution from the same things that contribute to CC, such as local pollution, ocean acidification, etc) are contributing to and will continue to contribute on into the future big time to:

-decreasing food productivity - crop failure and harms, harms to sea life…
-decreasing potable water in many areas
-floods, droughts, wildfires, storms, blizzards, cyclones (like those bashing the Philippines)
-sea rise and arable land loss
-increased earthquakes and volcanic activity in areas where glacier melt is “lightening the load,” like the quakes in Nepal
-disease spread

ISIS doesn’t even come close to being as harmful as climate change

AND what is interesting is that climate change contributed to the severe droughts in the Mediterranean littoral, and thus the food shortages, and to Arab Spring, which destabilized parts of the area and creating fertile grounds for ISIS to arise.

So I guess we may be contributing not only to harm and death – we are killers and the sooner we face that fact, the sooner we can get to work reducing our harm – but also even worse groups and movements than ISIS to arise on into the future as our human-caused climate change progresses.

Dump Trump, dump Cruz, dump the whole Republican Party – which is a “captured agency” of industries that do not want us to address climate change…even those measures that would save us money, improve our health, strengthen our economy, and save lives.

And, Lord, who is Truth and Love, open the eyes of those who wish to know the truth and to love.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
The poster above me enumerated several good reasons why some of us do not like Trump:
lying, flip-flopping on the issues so we don’t really know where he stands, cheating on his wife, multiple marriages, vulgarity, bullying, encouraging violence, a lifelong pursuit of wealth, etc. etc.
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If you object to vulgarity, then how can you vote for someone like Hillary who has a much more filthy mouth than anyone else running?
 
pnewton said:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”

Perhaps it would help to understand the issue with this statement with a simple substitution. There are a lot of blue collar workers here from up north because of the availability of jobs. What if I were to say of them:

“When Michigan sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to Texas DPS and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”
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Trump said nothing about them being “illegal,” he only said “Mexico.” I know quite a few lovely, wonderful, generous Mexicans.
 
queenofheartscv said:
TheRe is a thing called context, and another called inference.
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I know! Every Republican takes Hillary’s comment on religion out of context. She wasn’t talking about abortion; she was talking about strongly patriarchal religions like Islam.

How are we taking Trump’s statement out of context?
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I know! Every Republican takes Hillary’s comment on religion out of context. She wasn’t talking about abortion; she was talking about strongly patriarchal religions like Islam.

How are we taking Trump’s statement out of context?
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Trumps major platform is illegal immigration. He wants it stopped. He says that many illegals commit crimes here. He invites families who have suffered crimes by illegals to his rally and talk about the problem.

Even if there was confusion because of in-articulation in his first speech, people should know by now that trump has no problem with legal immigrants but he wants a secure border and our laws enforced. There is no question at all with what he is about.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Every Republican takes Hillary’s comment on religion out of context. She wasn’t talking about abortion; she was talking about strongly patriarchal religions like Islam.
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She said religious beliefs have to be changed. Somehow I don’t like the idea of Hillary and Bill determining which of my religious beliefs have to be changed.
 
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