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jtauke said:
Who else has used it is irrelevant. We cannot allow our government to endorse such actions that degrade the value of human life.
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If one is using Church teaching, somehow, perhaps it is relevant.
 
jtauke said:
Your post made is sound like you had undergone waterboarding yourself…is that not what you were trying to say?

If not, then just ignore what I said. I don’t need repetition of your “test for what is torture” spiel. I got enough of that in the thread about Trump when he first made the torture statement.
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Read it again, and you’ll see that I never said I was ever waterboarded.

I am fully aware that many, perhaps most, people who talk about waterboarding and torture don’t really want to examine what torture is and what it isn’t, and certainly not when it’s a state action versus an individual action. It’s much less demanding to just affirm or deny something based on emotion or political ideology. The trouble is, doing the latter tends to get nowhere.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Read it again, and you’ll see that I never said I was ever waterboarded.

I am fully aware that many, perhaps most, people who talk about waterboarding and torture don’t really want to examine what torture is and what it isn’t, and certainly not when it’s a state action versus an individual action. It’s much less demanding to just affirm or deny something based on emotion or political ideology. The trouble is, doing the latter tends to get nowhere.
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How is it that conservatives such as yourself put so much trust in a government agency to be able to regulate and monitor a practice such as waterboarding so that it does not tip the balance and actually be used as a form of torture? Aren’t liberals supposed to put their trust in government more than conservatives? I suppose a similar argument can be applied to the state-sanctioned use of the death penalty. Shouldn’t conservatives be wary of this too?
 
meltzerboy said:
How is it that conservatives such as yourself put so much trust in a government agency to be able to regulate and monitor a practice such as waterboarding so that it does not tip the balance and actually be used as a form of torture? Aren’t liberals supposed to put their trust in government more than conservatives? I suppose a similar argument can be applied to the state-sanctioned use of the death penalty. Shouldn’t conservatives be wary of this too?
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Maybe they just don’t want to see innocents blown up and I do not say that in jest. Dr. Carson has said what many have said, “let the military simply do their jobs”; of course, one does not want them to act excessively at that.
 
Trump let off steam but he was wrong; but those emotions happen if one witnesses, say those who on 911 jumped out of windows to protect themselves. It’s just that what he said is more of the kinds of things one might hear in an informal conversation. Same thing with the bullets dipped in lard sort of thing.
 
The Republicans who coalesce around Trump are making a political error. They are selling their integrity for a candidate who will probably lose. About 60 percent of Americans disapprove of him, and that number has been steady since he began his campaign.
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Worse, there are certain standards more important than one year’s election. There are certain codes that if you betray them, you suffer something much worse than a political defeat.
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Donald Trump is an affront to basic standards of honesty, virtue and citizenship. He pollutes the atmosphere in which our children are raised. He has already shredded the unspoken rules of political civility that make conversation possible. In his savage regime, public life is just a dog-eat-dog war of all against all.
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As the founders would have understood, he is a threat to the long and glorious experiment of American self-government. He is precisely the kind of scapegoating, promise-making, fear-driving and deceiving demagogue they feared.
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Trump’s supporters deserve respect. They are left out of this economy. But Trump himself? No, not Trump, not ever.
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nytimes.com/2016/03/18/opinion/no-not-trump-not-ever.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

:yup:
 
FollowChrist34 said:
nytimes.com/2016/03/18/opinion/no-not-trump-not-ever.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

:yup:
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Everything the NYT is calling out on Trump can be said of both Clinton’s,which we will have to deal with if HC prevails.Thanks to BC a new sexual culture was launched and embraced by our young adults because it wasn’t sex anyway:rolleyes:::rolleyes
Talk about a poor example for our youth and looks like we get a redo ,more of the same ,blechhhhh.:(:mad:
 
FollowChrist34 said:
nytimes.com/2016/03/18/opinion/no-not-trump-not-ever.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

:yup:
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I read that piece earlier today and thought David Brooks really nailed it. I especially like this part:
Donald Trump is epically unprepared to be president. He has no realistic policies, no advisers, no capacity to learn. His vast narcissism makes him a closed fortress. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and he’s uninterested in finding out. He insults the office Abraham Lincoln once occupied by running for it with less preparation than most of us would undertake to buy a sofa.
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Trump is perhaps the most dishonest person to run for high office in our lifetimes. All politicians stretch the truth, but Trump has a steady obliviousness to accuracy.
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He is a childish man running for a job that requires maturity. He is an insecure boasting little boy whose desires were somehow arrested at age 12. He surrounds himself with sycophants. “You can always tell when the king is here,” Trump’s butler told Jason Horowitz in a recent Times profile. He brags incessantly about his alleged prowess, like how far he can hit a golf ball. “Do I hit it long? Is Trump strong?” he asks.
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In some rare cases, political victors do not deserve our respect. George Wallace won elections, but to endorse those outcomes would be a moral failure.
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And so it is with Trump.
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Jeanne_S said:
Everything the NYT is calling out on Trump can be said of both Clinton’s,which we will have to deal with if HC prevails.Thanks to BC a new sexual culture was launched and embraced by our young adults because it wasn’t sex anyway:rolleyes:::rolleyes
Talk about a poor example for our youth and looks like we get a redo ,more of the same ,blechhhhh.:(:mad:
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Agree that the Clintons are about as corrupt as Donald in terms of sexual morality. (at least in the past) I don’t recall either one of them ever saying all Muslims should be banned from entering the country or that Mexicans are ‘rapists’ or that they don’t know who the KKK is and what they are about or threatening violence to civilians who protest at their rallies or fellow party members who oppose their political path forward at a political convention. Trump has trumped the Clintons - not easy to do. I don’t support him; I am not putting him up as the GOP choice. I am appalled and disgusted by it - and will have nothing to do with him.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Agree that the Clintons are about as corrupt as Donald in terms of sexual morality. (at least in the past) I don’t recall either one of them ever saying all Muslims should be banned from entering the country or that Mexicans are ‘rapists’ or that they don’t know who the KKK is and what they are about or threatening violence to civilians who protest at their rallies or fellow party members who oppose their political path forward at a political convention. Trump has trumped the Clintons - not easy to do. I don’t support him; I am not putting him up as the GOP choice. I am appalled and disgusted by it - and will have nothing to do with him.
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Maybe not overtly they are a bit more nuanced in their statements.However,Hillary has been caught saying some pretty despicable things about all manner of minorities .Additionally she has a mouth in her like a stevador,she might very well be the first woman president but she is no lady!
 
Jeanne_S said:
Maybe not overtly they are a bit more nuanced in their statements.However,Hillary has been caught saying some pretty despicable things about all manner of minorities .Additionally she has a mouth in her like a stevador,she might very well be the first woman president but she is no lady!
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That is one of the ironies of Trump in the general; he is as corrupt and disgusting as she is. (though personally I think he makes Hillary look better than himself; this would not happen with any other GOP candidate; Trump cancels out her negatives with his own foolishness and vulgarity) We lose no matter what happens. I think the real shame will hit the Republicans who went with Trump, either if we lose to Hillary or, frankly, even worse if Trump wins. It is a good time to back out - for the record, IMHO.
 
jtauke said:
Funny, last time I checked war was declared by congress. Did they declare war when I wasn’t looking?

Legally, we are not at war.
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So does that mean all the people who were buried are not dead?
 
meltzerboy said:
How is it that conservatives such as yourself put so much trust in a government agency to be able to regulate and monitor a practice such as waterboarding so that it does not tip the balance and actually be used as a form of torture? Aren’t liberals supposed to put their trust in government more than conservatives? I suppose a similar argument can be applied to the state-sanctioned use of the death penalty. Shouldn’t conservatives be wary of this too?
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What I said about torture in an earlier post (okay if done to others, not to me or mine), applies to the government. It is good if it does what I like, bad if it helps others but I don’t directly benefit. That is the Republican and Trump position.

While I don’t doubt Trump’s love of the USA, I think if it came to a choice between his bank account and the rest of us, he comes first.
 
Donald Trump is now calling for a boycott of Megyn Kelly’s show! What is going on? This is so childish.
 
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