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Lily_Bernans said:
All people are created equal. That means we should not abort, which I support. However, it also means that the needs of already-born people are also important. I feel the Democratic candidates, at least in this election, are far, far superior to the Republican ones, especially when I don’t even know if the Republican front runner is pro-choice or pro-life.

I’ve explained this so many times it must be making some people sick.

My conscience, and I have a well-formed conscience, is clear. It wouldn’t be if I were going to vote for Trump or Cruz, especially when it was Republican appointed justices who voted to uphold Roe v Wade.
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This where I have yet to get an answer,even though I have asked it of those here who support the Dem Party.plrase cite in detail just exactly what theDems have actually done to affect a change in the lives of the disinfranchised.The ones they purportedly care so dang much about.I don’t want talking points or feel good platitudes I really want to understand the evidence of any actions the Dems have put into place that have actually made a difference. From what I can see,the poor are still poor,the middle class is dissapear ing,etc.At least the Republicans try,albiet their efforts shot down by a president so immersed in his leftist ideology,that he vetoes everything that comes to the table.Remember I have a phone and a pen comment? Race relations are at an all time low,morale in the country as a whole is down.Is any of that going to change withHC? No,just more of the same:(
 
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Trump is not going to get the nomination. It will go to a second ballot and then it open for a Romney or Ryan or some other unwanted GOP elite… Cruz might and I stress might get it, but since he is so hated among the elite GOP I doubt it. Then the GOP is going to start up with “it’s time we let bygones be bygones and we all have to get out and vote for the nominee”. There is a reason Trump is getting so many votes, the GOP has given lip service to it base since GHWB. They won the house and nothing changed, then they won the senate and nothing changed. And if by chance they win the WH this year, nothing will change. They will keep telling their base to shut up and go along. That your betters know what is best for you. They dont believe in a decentralized government, they just think they can do a better job in spend all that money.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Trump has zero experience in foreign relations. Zero. Business doesn’t count. If it did, I’d qualify for president, and I don’t.
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Don’t count yourself out so readily. 🙂

As between Trump and Obama, Trump’s experience in foreign relations is massively greater than was Obama’s. Does anyone really think a person can build hotels, clubs, golf courses in foreign countries (particularly some of them) all over the world without dealing with the governments, oftentimes directly with the leaders?

Experience in business at an extremely high level might be more important than how many diplomats one might have rubbed elbows with at a fancy dinner at which wagyu steaks are washed down with Chateau Petrus.

One thing is for sure. Trump has not handed any countries over to Islamic radicals. So he’s zero to Hillary’s four in that count.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Democrats are good for the middle class; Republicans are not:

huffingtonpost.com/sean-mcelwee/democrats-help-the-middle-class_b_6731172.html
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I’ll agree that the Dems did one thing for the middle class; well, the upper part of it at least, with “Cash for Clunkers”, the program by which people who could afford new cars anyway got a subsidy to do it. The poor, of course, who rely on “clunkers” for transportation, got the short end because those were destroyed.

Well, and I’ll concede that Obamacare does subsidize some members of the middle class at the expense of other members of the middle class. The poor, of course, got more of their numbers shoved off into Medicaid.
 
philipl said:
Trump is not going to get the nomination. It will go to a second ballot and then it open for a Romney or Ryan or some other unwanted GOP elite… Cruz might and I stress might get it, but since he is so hated among the elite GOP I doubt it. Then the GOP is going to start up with “it’s time we let bygones be bygones and we all have to get out and vote for the nominee”. There is a reason Trump is getting so many votes, the GOP has given lip service to it base since GHWB. They won the house and nothing changed, then they won the senate and nothing changed. And if by chance they win the WH this year, nothing will change. They will keep telling their base to shut up and go along. That your betters know what is best for you. They dont believe in a decentralized government, they just think they can do a better job in spend all that money.
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I don’t think Trump will get the nomination, either.
 
Ridgerunner said:
As between a person like Obama who never administered anything in his life before becoming president, and a person like Trump, I would say the likelihood is that the one with massive experience is likely to be the superior to the one who hasn’t.

Remember, in all business deals, there is always a “counterparty” with whom one must negotiate resolutions. You can’t just order them around. You have to be able to show the counterparty that a resolution favorable to you is also favorable to him.
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As Bernie Sanders has pointed out in some of his debates with Hillary Clinton, it is not only the experience which counts (with regard to foreign policy) but the proven judgment.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Democrats are good for the middle class; Republicans are not:

huffingtonpost.com/sean-mcelwee/democrats-help-the-middle-class_b_6731172.html

nd the Republicans don’t:

salon.com/2015/03/25/14_ways_republicans_have_declared_war_on_the_middle_class_partner/
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HuffPo is a thoroughly partisan source. Bad enough for that, but when they cite the Jimmy Carter years as years of prosperity, they really went over the edge. I lived through that, and it was miserable. I was amused that they were baffled by the fact that more middle class people are turning to the “right”. If that’s so, it’s for the very good reason that the Dems have done nothing of any real substance for most of them, and the Obama years have seen their incomes decline.

But there is always going to be a contingent of the middle class that supports the Dems. First of all, most government employees are “middle class” and that’s a very large group of people. Academia can be added to that number. And, of course, there are those who are sometimes referred to as “limousine liberals” who think “charity” consists in giving away somebody else’s money.
 
Ridgerunner said:
HuffPo is a thoroughly partisan source. Bad enough for that, but when they cite the Jimmy Carter years as years of prosperity, they really went over the edge. I lived through that, and it was miserable. I was amused that they were baffled by the fact that more middle class people are turning to the “right”. If that’s so, it’s for the very good reason that the Dems have done nothing of any real substance for most of them, and the Obama years have seen their incomes decline.

But there is always going to be a contingent of the middle class that supports the Dems. First of all, most government employees are “middle class” and that’s a very large group of people. Academia can be added to that number. And, of course, there are those who are sometimes referred to as “limousine liberals” who think “charity” consists in giving away somebody else’s money.
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Very few news sites are not partisan to some degree or another. Most news articles in newspapers, both traditional and non-traditional, are written with a point of view. I think if we use that as a criteria for what might or might not have truth within the article, we’d all have to give up on 99.9% of the papers and websites.
 
Life experience is pretty solid information and RRunner you are very correct about the Carter term. At least it was 4 yrs not 8! This time, things are worse all around.

Its time to shake out the rugs!
 
meltzerboy said:
As Bernie Sanders has pointed out in some of his debates with Hillary Clinton, it is not only the experience which counts (with regard to foreign policy) but the proven judgment.
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Well, at least Trump hasn’t handed three countries over to Islamic radicals and tried it with a fourth.

Think about this for a minute. Both Trump and Hillary Clinton have made a great deal of money. Trump, by producing things for which people paid willingly and with their own money. (justice in exchange), Hillary by selling influence for which you and I pay unwillingly (theft).

Now, as between figuring out what people want in a highly competitive arena, and selling influence, which shows the better exercise of judgment?
 
‘NEUTRAL’ SLAM
Clinton picks Israel fight with Trump
Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton openly challenged Donald Trump’s commitment to the U.S.-Israel alliance during an address Monday before the country’s most influential pro-Israel group, slamming his call to be “neutral” in peace talks and offering what could be a preview of the general election battle.
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Speaking to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference, the former secretary of state took several thinly veiled shots at the Republican primary front-runner – who is set to addres AIPAC Monday evening – as she said the next president needs to be steadfast on support for Israel.
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“We need steady hands – not a president who says he’s neutral on Monday, pro-Israel on Tuesday and who knows what on Wednesday, because everything’s negotiable,” Clinton said. “Israel’s security is non-negotiable.”
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Brilliant move I have to admit. Clinton could well move to the center in the general.
 
sallybutler said:
Very few news sites are not partisan to some degree or another. Most news articles in newspapers, both traditional and non-traditional, are written with a point of view. I think if we use that as a criteria for what might or might not have truth within the article, we’d all have to give up on 99.9% of the papers and websites.
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And we should give up on most of them. Perhaps not 99.9%, but certainly the majority.
 
Every day, Republicans truly fight for the life of the unborn; this is clear per anyone who keeps up with pro-life news.
Texas Abortions Drop 13%, Saving 9,200 Babies, as Pro-Life Law Closes Abortion Clinics
lifenews.com/2014/07/24/texas-abortions-drop-13-saving-9200-babies-as-pro-life-law-closes-abortion-clinics/
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And these examples are common, yet, somehow, some one person decision from 1973 seems to be what one resorts too to support a party with a radical abortion agenda. I find such logic as ornery and tortured.

There are pro-life laws, enacted, fought against often by Democrats, the ACLU and whomever else. Day in and day out. Planned Parenthood and the Democratic party are as they say, joined at the hip. The argument is almost insulting.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Brilliant move I have to admit. Clinton could well move to the center in the general.
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Pretty much what Rubio and Cruz and Kasich said during the debates. They also pretty much said there is nothing that could be done to bring about peace because the palestinians are so wicked and bent on terrorism.

Trump is the only one pragmatic enough to understand even if you agree with Israel, when it comes to the negotiation table you have to at least try to appease both sides.

He’s also the only one with common sense to understand middle east peace negotiation is probably the toughest deal anywhere anytime. Peace can’t be brokered just by tough talk or more support for Israel.
 
Pier said:
We need a steady HEAD…

Which doesn’t mean someone who’s going to conveniently get dizzy when the going gets tough.
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Overall especially in these primaries, Clinton aside from her positions of abortion, gay marriage and the Benghazi incident, but if those things are off, the primaries have made her tougher.

Trump meanwhile just angers people and doesn’t say much. He says he loves this, how he won these states and whoever goes against him drops in the polls.

Not much policy talk.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Pretty much what Rubio and Cruz and Kasich said during the debates. They also pretty much said there is nothing that could be done to bring about peace because the palestinians are so wicked and bent on terrorism.

Trump is the only one pragmatic enough to understand even if you agree with Israel, when it comes to the negotiation table you have to at least try to appease both sides.

He’s also the only one with common sense to understand middle east peace negotiation is probably the toughest deal anywhere anytime. Peace can’t be brokered just by tough talk or more support for Israel.
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Well to be fair, Obama believes all that too, right?
 
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