Trump Thread

[lynnvinc]

What a great imagination you have! You would love to be martyred for the anti-trump cause, but it doesn’t take a prophet to tell you that the Lord probably has other plans for your life.

Have a blessed Sunday!

Well, we all take various risks. I’ve never been much of one for, say, sky-diving, but I will stand up for righteousness and life issues, even when they are very unpopular.

I sort of see Trump and his supporters as buying into the worst of American culture (thank goodness they are in the minority), willing to send humanity down the tubes of death. And Cruz is no better and might even be worse.

We live in dangerous times indeed.

 

[TMC]

That is why I said he** has not been** and advocate for the unborn, emphasizing his** past** which is devoid of action that supports his current abortion posture this campaign.

Yes, Trump is a Republican this year. However, he is the specific topic, not how great all Republicans are, if one thinks that.

He is quick to say whatever he thinks people want to hear on that day. But he has been to the left of Hillary on abortion his entire life (at least until he decided to run as a Republican). Once his tax returns are released (if they ever are) we will know how much money he has given to Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice causes. Trump’s nomination would effectively take the abortion issue off the table for this cycle.

 

[FollowChrist34]

When did she change? Presumably she supported the high-altitude bombing in Serbia. She supported the Islamic takeover in Libya and Egypt. She supported the doubtful rebels in Syria, and supported the Iraq War. How many wars does she need to favor before people think of her as a hawk?

Dems who purport to disfavor foreign military adventures should be running from her. But they aren’t.

Well, they are, right - they are the Sanders people. She has to walk a fine line. I think the GOP candidate will play a big role here. By this I mean do the Sanders people have a viable option to voting for her or not. (and when I say I Sanders people I am talking the educated urban far left and millennials) I agree with you that they will clench their teeth and vote Clinton. I can’t really see them preferring Trump, Kasich or Cruz. There is some evidence to indicate that only about 7% of Dems are ‘movable.’ (1 in 4 GOP voters are ‘movable’) (Millennials favor Clinton over Trump a little under 80-20%). That would explain this Clinton strategy of going center (back to where she is naturally as you point out). (I am a hawk, so this does not ruffle my feathers…)

 

[Ridgerunner]

And - given the incredibly dangerous era in which we live - the thought of having a Commander in Chief with no foreign policy experience whatsoever (even less than Obama had!) is a truly frightening possibility. Add in a volatile (to say the least) temperament, and the prospect becomes truly scary.

Advisors are all well and good, but I want a President with common sense and a cool, calm head making crucial, life-or-death decisions.

Obama had none. Nor was he ever in a responsible position of any kind. Voting “present” and consistently supporting abortion in this country do not constitute foreign policy experience.

Trump has at least had to exercise responsibility many, many times, and with foreign governments and leaders.

No, my favorite Repub candidate is not Trump. But all of this hysteria about Trump is, in my mind, entirely misguided. Sure, the establishment Repubs don’t like him. But neither do voters like them. If he’s the nominee, he runs the party for the next cycle and they sure don’t want that. My goodness! If he runs it like a business, he might actually market it to more people.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

And - given the incredibly dangerous era in which we live - the thought of having a Commander in Chief with no foreign policy experience whatsoever (even less than Obama had!) is a truly frightening possibility. Add in a volatile (to say the least) temperament, and the prospect becomes truly scary.

Advisors are all well and good, but I want a President with common sense and a cool, calm head making crucial, life-or-death decisions.

I do, too, especially since he or she will be in possession of all the nuclear codes.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, they are, right - they are the Sanders people. She has to walk a fine line. I think the GOP candidate will play a big role here. By this I mean do the Sanders people have a viable option to voting for her or not. (and when I say I Sanders people I am talking the educated urban far left and millennials) I agree with you that they will clench their teeth and vote Clinton. I can’t really see them preferring Trump, Kasich or Cruz. There is some evidence to indicate that only about 7% of Dems are ‘movable.’ (1 in 4 GOP voters are ‘movable’) (Millennials favor Clinton over Trump a little under 80-20%). That would explain this Clinton strategy of going center (back to where she is naturally as you point out). (I am a hawk, so this does not ruffle my feathers…)

The Sanders people who vote in the general will vote for Clinton. But probably a lot of them will stay home, just as a lot of Repubs stayed home in 2012 because Romney wasn’t “pure” enough for them.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I do, too, especially since he or she will be in possession of all the nuclear codes.

Yes, but you have consider that he hasn’t fomented any wars so far, whereas Hillary Clinton has…four times and counting.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Foreign Policy is about negotiation so Trump has extensive experience.

In contrast, Obama had

• zero Foreign Policy experience,
• zero negotiation experience,
• zero management experience

Did you vote for Obama and with what justification?
he had no experience relevant to the job of POTUS (using your own qualifications)

Trump has zero political experience, and political experience is very different from business experience.

Obama did have political experience prior to becoming president, and he is a lawyer. Trump is not.

 

[FollowChrist34]

The Sanders people who vote in the general will vote for Clinton. But probably a lot of them will stay home, just as a lot of Repubs stayed home in 2012 because Romney wasn’t “pure” enough for them.

They will stay home against Kasich. They will not stay home against Trump or Cruz. (lesser of two evils argument)

 

[queenofheartscv]

Trump has zero political experience, and political experience is very different from business experience.

Obama did have political experience prior to becoming president, and he is a lawyer. Trump is not.

I think the majority of Americans are tired of what the political experiences of our politicians have collectively brought us.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

The current administration has been awful for the middle class, though it has been great for Wall Street, and the big banks.

blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/03/17/half-of-u-s-may-endure-lost-decade-of-depressed-employment/

I’m middle class, and life has improved for me under Obama.

 

[dixieagle]

Foreign Policy is about negotiation so Trump has extensive experience.

In contrast, Obama had

• zero Foreign Policy experience,
• zero negotiation experience,
• zero management experience

Did you vote for Obama and with what justification?
he had no experience relevant to the job of POTUS (using your own qualifications)

There is an enormous difference between dealing with real estate/business people and foreign countries who possess nuclear capabilities.

Not that my voting is any of your business, but I haven’t voted for a dem since… ever. I blame the Kennedys for the “I’m personally opposed to abortion, but…” stance that so many allegedly Catholic Dems have taken.

My criteria are Catholic Social issues, with life issues heading the list. As I’ve stated before on these forums, I won’t vote for someone for dog-catcher unless they are pro-life. (I don’t trust Trump to be.)

I consider myself independent, but there is virtually never a candidate who checks all the necessary boxes. I don’t like Cruz, as he is too far right for me, but would vote for him in a general election due to his pro-life stance. I find Trump a dangerous proponent of divisive and odious politics. I would write-in someone if it was a Trump-Hillary or Trump-Sanders general election, as I couldn’t vote for any of them in good conscience.

 

[dixieagle]

He is quick to say whatever he thinks people want to hear on that day. But he has been to the left of Hillary on abortion his entire life (at least until he decided to run as a Republican). Once his tax returns are released (if they ever are) we will know how much money he has given to Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice causes. Trump’s nomination would effectively take the abortion issue off the table for this cycle.

It is astonishing to me that folks are buying his line of baloney about not being able to release tax returns until audits are complete. He really must think people are stupid. I can only imagine that there is some blockbuster info in those returns.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

But this thread is about Donald Trump, not Republicans. He has not been an advocate for the unborn.

Right. He has given a lot of money to PP.

 

[queenofheartscv]

It is astonishing to me that folks are buying his line of baloney about not being able to release tax returns until audits are complete. He really must think people are stupid. I can only imagine that there is some blockbuster info in those returns.

Mit Romney didn’t release his until September of election year.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Right. He has given a lot of money to PP.

Ahhh,DT as a businessman has donated to various groups on both sides of the aisle.The key difference between him and HC is he hasn’t taken any money from PP or any other special interest groups,so unlike HC who has taken money,he is and will not be beholding to anyone.So in spite of his many negative traits,the fact that he is not being bought is the largest part of his appeal.

 

[Leo2014]

I am lost on this one…

I am certain that you have encounter the “Jerk” for a boss. However, as much distain as you may have had for his personality - he got the job done. Trump has had the luxury of cashing-in on this type of personality. America has watched his show for years. He demonstrated the benefits of displaying a sharp focus and a callousness towards all those that fail him within his path.

Now you juxtapose him in an arena with career politicians that already carry the reputation of accomplishing little for their constituency. I can see how he is winning. My frustration with both parties is that we (as voters) have argued the same points that we had argued during the last election cycle (and the election cycles before that…). As long as our candidate states what we want to hear, we are appeased until the next election were we begin the process all over again.

Trump is a representation of the many things wrong with the our system. To his credit he has the brand and that is something other candidates will spend millions in attempting to acquire. Remember, Thump is a Warton graduate, therefore he is an educated man. However, the current President also an educated man - Harvard graduate. The reality is that “Smarts” is not what we are lacking in this country. I value wisdom & discernment and the unselfishness to consider the greater good…kinda of oxymoron for a career in politics.

 

[FollowChrist34]

I’m middle class, and life has improved for me under Obama.

I did better under Bush 43. I do wonder though how much the actions of a particular adminstration affect national and world economies. I was at my best under Bill Clinton, late 90s. I think everyone would say the same thing. Things have gone downhill for us all, especially the middle/lower class, since the late 90s. The other thing is the fact that so much wealth has accumulated in the top 5%, just amazing, under Obama this is just the same. Again, not his fault. I don’t think the parties mess with these larger economic trends. That is really where the power is - economics. (no one in particular is driving that; it is like the weather )

 

[Path_Finder]

That is why I said he** has not been** and advocate for the unborn, emphasizing his** past** which is devoid of action that supports his current abortion posture this campaign.

Yes, Trump is a Republican this year. However, he is the specific topic, not how great all Republicans are, if one thinks that.

No one is trying to say one’s opinion or view is superior to another. I understand doubts some have and that is fair too. We live in a fallen world. This is merely being discussed and would be discussed even if the candidate might have proven credentials.

 

[TMC]

Ahhh,DT as a businessman has donated to various groups on both sides of the aisle.The key difference between him and HC is he hasn’t taken any money from PP or any other special interest groups,so unlike HC who has taken money,he is and will not be beholding to anyone.So in spite of his many negative traits,the fact that he is not being bought is the largest part of his appeal.

Oh, so materially supporting abortion is acceptable as long as it is done for business reasons? Good to know.