Trump Thread

[Sy_Noe]

No. Trump is not saying only billionaires should run. He’s saying he is offering the public a different choice this year. Instead of regular politicians, he’s spending his own money and truly wants to do what’s best for the country and not for special interests. It’s his offer and America can take it or leave it. I think we should give that a try after having same old same old for so long with all talk no action politicians.

I’ll leave it. We have enough billionaires as it is now trying to influence elections for me to want to see one finance his way in to the extent Trump is trying. Not a precedence I want to be a part of.

 

[dixieagle]

It will probably be contested rather than brokered. I would love to know what happened today when Trump met with the grand old party elders.

I would frankly love a contested convention, should Trump not have the necessary delegates by convention time. It would be fascinating to see who emerged as the candidate.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I’d like to see Megan Kelly’s face when Trump becomes president. And Bill Kristol’s. And Mitt Romney’s.

Or the thus far give or take 35% of Republican primary voter faces when he doesn’t.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I’ll leave it. We have enough billionaires as it is now trying to influence elections for me to want to see one finance his way in to the extent Trump is trying. Not a precedence I want to be a part of.

So somehow showing genuine care for the country by spending one’s own money instead of being funded by special interests is a bad thing in your eyes.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I would frankly love a contested convention, should Trump not have the necessary delegates by convention time. It would be fascinating to see who emerged as the candidate.

You don’t think an outsider such as Trump would just cozy up to the insiders to secure enough delegates?

 

[FollowChrist34]

It will probably be contested rather than brokered. I would love to know what happened today when Trump met with the grand old party elders.

They weren’t the GOP elders - that was a bit of an overhype. All but one were already supporting Trump - nationalreview.com/article/433061/donald-trump-congressional-gop-meeting-wins-no-new-supporters - Gingrich had no comment upon leaving.

I was wondering if “Washington” was trying to talk some sense into him, rather than he talking sense out of them… but no, it was a Trump pitch, but not on a large scale I don’t think. We’ll see though - Nat’l Review is pretty anti-Trump. We should wait for further info.

This is a bit of a jaw-dropper:

Bill Clinton Trashes Obama: ‘Awful Legacy of the Last Eight Years’
weeklystandard.com/bill-clinton-trashes-obama-awful-legacy-of-the-last-eight-years/article/2001665 - Bill Clinton does actually use this phrase - today.

It is a good move for the general; I am actually wondering if the Dems are now pitching at my demographic - moderate, votes either way, suburbia types. I take it to mean that they think Sanders is toast. I wonder though about pushback from Sanders’ supporters. But again the Sanders guys and gals are in a pretty tight corner facing Trump or Cruz as their alternative to Clinton.

 

[Sy_Noe]

So somehow showing genuine care for the country by spending one’s own money instead of being funded by special interests is a bad thing in your eyes.

Where we differ is I believe what DT has genuine care for is… well… DT. Not so much the country as you do. But we can disagree.

 

[Peter_J]

“The bottom line is I believe Donald Trump would be an absolute, utter disaster for the Republican Party, destroy conservatism as we know it,”

Don’t even need to mention the follow-up: a second Clinton presidency.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Oh, so materially supporting abortion is acceptable as long as it is done for business reasons? Good to know.

I didn’t say that.

 

[Peter_J]

Dems who purport to disfavor foreign military adventures should be running from her. But they aren’t.

To be fair, somebody probably told them “If you don’t line up behind the frontrunner, you’re not a loyal party member.”

Wouldn’t be the first time that has been said.

 

[Jeanne_S]

So his support for abortion was not love of abortion but love of money.

Ask him,I guess the point I was trying to make is he doesn’t accept money from them now and therefore would not be beholding to them in the future.

 

[Ridgerunner]

No. Trump is not saying only billionaires should run. He’s saying he is offering the public a different choice this year. Instead of regular politicians, he’s spending his own money and truly wants to do what’s best for the country and not for special interests. It’s his offer and America can take it or leave it. I think we should give that a try after having same old same old for so long with all talk no action politicians.

I’m no worshipper of the rich, but neither do I hate them or want to see them despoiled. If he’s funding his own campaign, that shows a certain degree of dedication to the country for its sake rather than his own.

Now, in the general, he’ll almost certainly have to take contributions or a combination of the government funding plus some of his own money. It’s awful to realize it’s so, but nowadays it appears to take about a billion to run for the presidency. I doubt even Trump can afford that.

 

[Path_Finder]

Oh, so materially supporting abortion is acceptable as long as it is done for business reasons? Good to know.

Unfortunately, we ourselves may do that if we buy certain products, Gloria Steinem was in that Land’s End catalog which they quickly apologized for. It’s a difficult task. We can’t be certain, Trump deliberated on the abortion issue himself through his donations. He may have done it to aid his properties.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I’m no worshipper of the rich, but neither do I hate them or want to see them despoiled. If he’s funding his own campaign, that shows a certain degree of dedication to the country for its sake rather than his own.

Now, in the general, he’ll almost certainly have to take contributions or a combination of the government funding plus some of his own money. It’s awful to realize it’s so, but nowadays it appears to take about a billion to run for the presidency. I doubt even Trump can afford that.

 

[Path_Finder]

Accross the Pond, here in England, Trump is regarded as a figure or ridicule by most people. His name doesn’t help, as (I’m sure most of you know) to ‘trump’ in English slang, means to break wind! (and thereby run the risk of blowing off his toupee)

He is seen as a dangerous man who will do whatever he can to win votes, by preying on people’s fears and fatigue with the over-zealous PC movement and hunger for something that finally sends a big 2-fingered salute to the hand-wringing liberals. We’re worried that if he can find enough Jerry Springer audience-types to vote for him, he’ll do quite well.

I think most people in the UK are hoping that common sense will win the day and he will receive a vote of ‘no thanks’ - but lessons will be learned about what drives people to even consider voting for a man like him in the first place, because he has certainly hit a vein of desperation and he’s mining it for all he’s worth.

In turn, from what we hear about Birmingham and parts of London, yes, he would be unpopular some places.

 

[Theo520]

Trump has zero political experience, and political experience is very different from business experience.

Obama did have political experience prior to becoming president, and he is a lawyer. Trump is not.

Obama’s previous political experience was equivalent to being on Junior High Student Council, though we are talking about the corrupt IL political system.

Obama had zero political achievements by the time he started running for President.
His only qualification was he looked good on a podium (with a TelePrompter to feed him words)

 

[Sy_Noe]

To be fair, somebody probably told them “If you don’t line up behind the frontrunner, you’re not a loyal party member.”

Wouldn’t be the first time that has been said.

Someone forgot to inform me.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Obama’s previous political experience was equivalent to being on Junior High Student Council, though we are talking about the corrupt IL political system.

Obama had zero political achievements by the time he started running for President.
His only qualification was he looked good on a podium (with a TelePrompter to feed him words)

This is one area where i agree with Hillary Clinton when she said on 08 What has Obama accomplished besides giving a good speech in 02 ,having said that she attached her wagon to BC for political expediency.She managed to carpetbag her way into the senate and so on,so she doesn’t have a lot of room to be talking either

 

[Ridgerunner]

To be fair, somebody probably told them “If you don’t line up behind the frontrunner, you’re not a loyal party member.”

Wouldn’t be the first time that has been said.

I think it goes beyond that. Look what happened to Joe Lieberman when he dared to depart from the party line on Iraq.

 

[Peter_J]

I’m not a Democrat anymore, and have never been a Republican. If I had to choose between Trump and Cruz, I would choose Trump.

Why? one might ask.

Well, because I think Cruz is going down two blind alleys simultaneously. I realize Tea Party people get all dewy-eyed when he talks about the Constitution. But most people in this country don’t know much about it and care a lot more about their pocketbooks and safety than they do about the niceties of the First Amendment. We all should know the Constitution, and every Supreme Court case there ever was, but we don’t.

Second, his 'flat tax" might be a winner among some conservatives, but it’s a loser for nearly everybody else. It’s his answer to everything, from job creation to foreign policy. With his flat tax, Cruz might win a National Geographic Explorer’s Medal for discovering a “fourth rail” in American politics.

Trump is boorish, though he has probably learned by now which fork to pick up first in a fancy restaurant. No matter what anybody says about him, though, and no matter how inarticulate he sometimes is, and no matter whether he uses swear words, he is a person of proven abilities. If a person can make a fortune in the savagely competitive business he’s in, and worldwide to boot, he can do other things well too. Granted, Cruz has argued (and won) cases before the Supreme Court. But that’s what attorneys general do. That’s their job, and they have beaucoup staff attorneys to work it all up for them; some of them lifetime lawyers of significant accomplishment. It truly would be difficult to mess up an argument with all of that behind you.

I completely agree with you about Cruz wanting a flat-tax (that was also an objection I had to
Ben Carson) but I find your reasoning for supporting Teflon Don to be pretty disturbing. Just saying.