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Lily_Bernans
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You make excellent points.
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Ridgerunner
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??? Nearly everybody worldwide pursues wealth. For most, it is small wealth; the wealth to take a vacation, to buy a home, to retire comfortably. For some, it’s medium wealth; the wealth to pay for an expensive college education for one’s children, the wealth to pay off one’s mortgage, the wealth to retire even more comfortably. For some, it is big wealth. Some of the latter, like Tom Monaghan, give it away massively. For some, it’s “the love of the game”.
And, frankly, in all the criticisms you have of him, it’s likely the Clintons are far worse if one listed all the things they have done that they should not have done.
Trump is an assertive personality, no question about it, but a bully? I don’t think we know that. A bully is a person who acts aggressively toward others for the sheer joy of doing it. There is a lot of aggressiveness in business, the law and other pursuits, but it’s almost always purposeful; to get one’s objectives accomplished. There is no particular reason to believe Trump’s aggressiveness/assertiveness is without purpose other than joy in doing it.
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Lily_Bernans
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The poster above me enumerated several good reasons why some of us do not like Trump:
lying, flip-flopping on the issues so we don’t really know where he stands, cheating on his wife, multiple marriages, vulgarity, bullying, encouraging violence, a lifelong pursuit of wealth, etc. etc.
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_Abyssinia
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Trump Talks About Qualifications He’d Like to See in Supreme Court Nominee
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Lily_Bernans
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Well, one can’t serve two masters, God and Mammon, and Trump seems to have chosen Mammon. I have no problem with people trying to make money, but he seems to worship it.
He also seems to really enjoy bullying the “little guy.” I consider a bully evil.
No, the Clintons don’t seem to share Trump’s sins with one exception: There was a time when Bill had affairs. He seems to have matured past that stupidity now, though.
I’m not judging any Trump voter, though. We all have our own, complex, reasons for voting as we do, and I think they should all be respected even when we disagree.
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Lily_Bernans
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Yes.
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Lily_Bernans
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I’ve said enough about my views on abortion to fill fifty pages. I’m done discussing my position. No one really knows Trump’s because he flip-flops on the issue and he has donated a lot of money to PP.
I am going to donate more to Clinton’s campaign.
Clinton would be a better president than Trump because she has been an involved First Lady, a Senator, and a Secretary of State. Trump has zero experience in politics, and as John Kasich point out last night, experience in business does not translate to politics.
Trump seems to care about people? What about those he bullies? What about immigrants? What about the innocent Mexicans he called rapists?
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queenofheartscv
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Trump worships money? Because he is too rich?
He has said that it’s not money that motivates him, that money is only a way to keep track, that he’s motivated more by success in doing what he does, in making things happen. He is more thrilled by the process of achieving success than the money that came as a result.
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Lily_Bernans
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I think he has. At least he says so, and I believe him.
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Lily_Bernans
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She’s talking about a patriarchal society in which men make all the decisions and women have no rights. I don’t think any US woman wants to revert to that.
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grotto
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Come on in - please join us. Hopefully your support for Faith, Family and Freedom will help save our country. There are some clever folks that push their agenda on these forums and operate like a tag team so try not to immediately become frustrated!
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Ridgerunner
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St. Thomas More and St. Katherine Drexel, St. Louis, Bl Karl of Austria, are all in hell then? All of them were wealthy. There were lots more who were. Now, asserting that Trump “worships” money is just a judgment of the state of his soul, which we have no right to do.
Same with bullying. The most any of us can say about him is that he can be aggressive. That’s not the same thing as being a bully. Manny Pacquio is aggressive, but few would call him a “bully”.
The Clinton’s have not sold influence? And why does anyone think Bill Clinton is no longer an adulterer? I actually met the guy who ended up on the “paying” end of Hillary Clinton’s cattle futures trades. He went bankrupt because of it. But, of course, the nation is on the paying end now, not just one individual. But just because the nation can better afford the corruption, that doesn’t make it okay.
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Lily_Bernans
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I’ve often said Kasich would be the best of the Republicans, but last night, I found him annoying, and I didn’t like him at all. He seemed condescending and off-putting, at least to me. Maybe the problem was me, maybe I just don’t like his personality. I don’t know right now.
I’ve supported Bernie because of his policies and because he seems sincere and authentic.
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Son_of_Niall
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I’ve taken a break from this thread because of it’s downward spiral, but I will come back just to answer this.
First of all, I am about as anti-Trump as you can get. If I was younger, I would be one of those protestors disrupting his ‘rallies’.
Having said that, I will say your question is rather inappropriate. Catholics as a whole do not question the Christianity of a person who has claimed that religion. Catholics take the high road, not the low road.
Secondly, if a outside the system candidate truly wants to clean up Washington, is pro-life (not just with abortion, but foreign wars), I couldn’t care less if he were Buddhist or a flaming atheist, he would get my vote.
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Lily_Bernans
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I think I said “seems.” I’m not judging Trump, but I can’t help having certain feelings about him. To me he “seems” to worship money, and his wife must as well because I don’t believe he could have gotten a date with her had he been a construction worker or something similar. I’m not judging her, either. She’s very pretty, but she’s not the type of woman I want for our First Lady.
When a man says people need punched in the face, when he tries to escalate the violence at his rallies and offers to pay the legal bills of those who do, that’s bullying, not aggressive behavior. I don’t recall Manny Pacquio ever doing anything like that, at least not publicly. Same for Floyd Mayweather. So, to me, Trump is a bully. He’s also a misogynist based on his comments about Megyn Kelly. What about calling innocent Mexicans “rapists?” That’s bullying.
I have not heard of the Clintons selling “influence.” I"m not saying they are perfect, far from it, like all the candidates, but to me, they don’t share Trump’s limitations.
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Donald Trump Renews Call to ‘Close Up Our Borders’ After Brussels Terror Attacks insider.foxnews.com/2016/03/22/donald-trump-terror-attacks-brussels-airport-subway-system
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Lily_Bernans
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We’ve put that one to rest. She was talking about a patriarchal society that denies women the right to vote, to an education, etc. She singled out no particular religion. She never even hinted that Catholics should change their position on anything.
See TMC’s quote in my post #1238.
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pnewton
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I believe the question was why those that do not like him do not like him. I was just answering the question. I do not debate my opinion. I know a bully when I see one and will keep my own counsel on the definition of a bully, no one else’s.
That was what I liked least about him. The other issues also remain.
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Ridgerunner
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Other than the vote, one wonders when that was. And since there is not the least possibility of that being the case again, one still needs to wonder what Hillary Clinton means about “religious beliefs” having to change. Given her support of abortion and homosexual “marriage”, it’s not hard to guess whose religion she wants changed.
Since Catholicism is clearly in those cross-hairs, one marvels that any Catholic could support Hillary Clinton.
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