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meltzerboy said:
Then, apart from their moral and legal problems, why are we considering the continuation of such enhanced interrogation techniques as waterboarding if they have no practical results?
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Maybe this is why Trump wants to go further than waterboarding? That’s sort of sarcastic. Sort of.
 
gracepoole said:
I was attempting to demonstrate that your line of questioning falls under the heading of prudential judgment. Vote for whomever you like. It would be faulty, however, to tell others that they must follow your lead because of your understanding of Church teaching.
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No, a Christian cannot vote for just anyone they like. They cannot vote for candidates who support intrinsic evils, unless their opponent supports them more. You changed what I said because your argument doesn’t hold water. There is an argument that can be made that a Christian could vote for Trump against Hillary, because she is much worse on intrinsic evils. A Christian can also vote for someone else who is better than both. What a Christian cannot do is vote for Hillary, as she is the worst of the bunch.
You keep going back to numbers. I don’t think I can explain any more clearly why this is problematic, no matter how many times you demand an answer to a question. If we are to entertain this question, we might as well entertain this one, as well: what of gay marriage, in which no one is killed? Abortion and gay marriage are both “non-negotiables.”
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Your question is exceedingly simple. If you have two candidates, and one supports abortion and the other supports same-sex “marriage”, you vote for the second. Killing a baby is a far greater sin than same-sex “marriage”.

Now answer my questions, which you keep avoiding…
 
Ridgerunner said:
Tell me, then, what he means by “torture”. What is his definition by which one can judge that X is “torture” but “Y” isn’t?

What’s yours?
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According to the Tokyo declaration:
“For the purpose of this Declaration, torture is defined as the deliberate, systematic or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering by one or more persons acting alone or on the orders of any authority, to force another person to yield information, to make a confession, or for any other reason.”
For a discussion see:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture
 
zz912 said:
No, a Christian cannot vote for just anyone they like. They cannot vote for candidates who support intrinsic evils, unless their opponent supports them more. You changed what I said because your argument doesn’t hold water.
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I don’t believe I’ve offered an argument. I’m attempting to discuss Church teaching.
zz912 said:
There is an argument that can be made that a Christian could vote for Trump against Hillary, because she is much worse on intrinsic evils. A Christian can also vote for someone else who is better than both. What a Christian cannot do is vote for Hillary, as she is the worst of the bunch.
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Well, good luck with that.
zz912 said:
Your question is exceedingly simple. If you have two candidates, and one supports abortion and the other supports same-sex “marriage”, you vote for the second. Killing a baby is a far greater sin than same-sex “marriage”.
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Glad for the answer. Can you tell me from where it comes?
zz912 said:
Now answer my questions, which you keep avoiding…
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I don’t mean to answer questions that are irrelevant. Sorry.
 
meltzerboy said:
Then, apart from their moral and legal problems, why are we considering the continuation of such enhanced interrogation techniques as waterboarding if they have no practical results?
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Possibly as revenge or punishment for a crime committed, particularly if it is a crime against children or innocent people. What do you do with repulsive cowards who slaughter innocent children or who slaughter nuns working for charitable organisations? Generally, I am against torture, but I can understand the horror and devastation that people go through when their children are tormented and slaughtered mercilessly.
You know if these cowards have some grievance against authorities in Belgium or authorities in Chechnya, or someone in Yemen, let them go after those responsible. I don;t see any justification for these disgusting cowards to slaughter innocent children or civilians…
 
Tomdstone said:
Possibly as revenge or punishment for a crime committed, particularly if it is a crime against children or innocent people. What do you do with repulsive cowards who slaughter innocent children or who slaughter nuns working for charitable organisations? Generally, I am against torture, but I can understand the horror and devastation that people go through when their children are tormented and slaughtered mercilessly.
You know if these cowards have some grievance against authorities in Belgium or authorities in Chechnya, or someone in Yemen, let them go after those responsible. I don;t see any justification for these disgusting cowards to slaughter innocent children or civilians…
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Trump is not talking about revenge.
 
zz912 said:
I’ve already stated that I’m not a Trump supporter. I voted for Cruz, and if Trump wins the primary I won’t vote for him. I’ll vote 3rd party or write in instead. I certainly won’t vote for Hillary’s evil.
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Looks as though we’re in agreement then 🙂
 
queenofheartscv said:
If my husband was a terrorist I’d know.
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So you know all the little details of your husbands job? It isn’t that whether or not you’d know that he was a terrorist, it’s whether or not you would know targets, co-terrorists, locations of whatever one uses to blow things up, etc.
 
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