Trump Thread

[Dwyer]

Certain bad acts can be classified as illegal.

You don’t necessarily have to criminalize the bad act.

Prior to Roe, in almost all cases, very few women seeking an abortion were prosecuted in the U.S.

There are only two cases in the history of U.S. jurisprudence of states prosecuting women who has abortions.

We’re not necessarily going to throw women into prison, although that could be done.

Perhaps some other punishment, e.g., a fine of money; community service; etc., may be in order.

Perhaps no punishment.

Justice is tempered with Mercy,

It is too bad Mr. Trump is stating that he would fulfill the Liberal’s “Parade of Horribles” argument for legalizing abortion and fall for their trick question.

Why did the states target abortionists and treat women as a victim of the abortionist?

It was based on three policy judgments: the point of abortion law is effective enforcement against abortionists, the woman is the second victim of the abortionist, and prosecuting women is counterproductive to the goal of effective enforcement of the law against abortionists.

aul.org/2010/04/why-the-states-did-not-prosecute-women-for-abortion-before-roe-v-wade/

 

[Exiled_Child]

What I’m saying he is now telling us his guiding principles in foreign policy. What he’ll do in concrete policies, whether he will get rid of foreign aid altogether for certain countries, in those aspects I believe he won’t be rash but rather take the advice of experts; he will also use negotiation skills–give and take–in order to go where he wants with foreign countries, but he won’t do anything that will jeopardize our national interests or gain us more enemies.

Cutting off all aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, etcetera, all over the globe, wouldn’t gain us enemies?

In my opinion, Trump doesn’t have even the vaguest, most tenuous grasp of what he’s talking about.

He actually says in the interview that he gets all his information from newspapers!

 

[Crossbones]

As I mentioned previously, punishment of women was not a part of most abortion laws prior to 1973. Given the fact that Roe v Wade made abortion legal through all nine months of pregnancy, and that abortion has now been legal for 43 years, it is the pro-abortion side which now drags out the specter, never before an actuality, of extreme punishment for women. That does have the effect of being an argument for keeping abortion legal.

Not only that, but attend a Rachel’s Vineyard retreat sometime and hear the stories of actual women who have had abortions. They are being punished now by guilt, regret, and suffering. They need healing. It is the pro-life movement which begins such programs for post-abortive women. It is pro-life groups which provide the healing.

I’m sure you can find many murderers in prison that feel guilt and regret. That doesn’t excuse their crime. It’s either murder or it’s not. I don’t understand this inbetween that somehow the person who seeks out someone to get an abortion is innocent of any crime, but the person that does the abortion is a criminal. That’s ridiculous.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Cutting off all aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, etcetera all over the globe, wouldn’t gain us enemies?

In my opinion, Trump doesn’t have even the vaguest, most tenuous grasp of what he’s talking about.

What I’m saying is he won’t do that! He wants nations to pull more weight for themselves, which doesn’t mean he’s just gonna cut them off on day 1. That’s what I mean by being pragmatic. There will be steps taken in a gradual process of negotiation so that nations can adjust and still work together but in a different dynamic than before.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Calling us “anti-choicers” is being upfront? Give me a break (please).

Actually, the first thing I told that poster was that I am pro-choice. That’s pretty upfront.

I sincerely don’t know what to call people who do not agree with choice concerning this subject. I can’t call y’all pro-life and look myself in the mirror. Every person I have ever met on both sides of this issue is pro-life.

Why does it bother you so that I call it pro-choice and anti-choice? That’s how I see the issue. Just like those on the opposite side call it pro-abortion and pro-life because that’s how they see the issue. None of that bothers me. It’s silly semantics that distracts us, imho.

It’s a big wide world with room for all sorts of beliefs. Charity is our friend.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Cutting off all aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, etcetera, all over the globe, wouldn’t gain us enemies?

In my opinion, Trump doesn’t have even the vaguest, most tenuous grasp of what he’s talking about.

He actually says in the interview that he gets all his information from newspapers!

This.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Cutting off all aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, etcetera, all over the globe, wouldn’t gain us enemies?

In my opinion, Trump doesn’t have even the vaguest, most tenuous grasp of what he’s talking about.

He actually says in the interview that he gets all his information from newspapers!

I want to be like trump. If he has no idea of what he’s talking about and yet he’s successful at pretty much whatever he does, I want to be that! What luck he must have.

 

[Mulligan2]

Given the fact that he reversed himself, I don’t know if he revealed his true feelings or not.

It’s certainly more likely that he revealed his true feelings when spontaneously answering a question, as opposed to a carefully-worded press release response to a growing firestorm.

He did seem to give the appearance that he had never considered the matter until being hit with an unexpected question.

I suspect there a lot of topics that he hasn’t considered, so I’ll grant you that point. However, that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t speaking his true feelings.

Had he been even somewhat familiar with mainstream pro-life organizations, he should have known that advocating punishment for women has always been a pro-abortion ploy, not a pro-life position.

Ploys are not needed. All one has to do is ask an anti-abortion candidate what their true feelings are - i.e. Todd Akin, Richard Mourdoch, etc.

 

[_Abyssinia]

National Right to Life: Punish Abortionists, Not Women

WASHINGTON – The National Right to Life Committee, the federation of 50 state affiliates and more than 3,000 local chapters today restated its position that, should abortion once again become illegal in the United States, penalties should be imposed against the abortionist himself, not the woman who has the abortion.

The following statement may be attributed to National Right to Life President Carol Tobias:

The National Right to Life Committee unequivocally opposes the killing of innocent unborn children and works unceasingly to have them protected in law. Unborn children and their mothers are victims in an abortion. In adopting statutes prohibiting the performance of abortions, National Right to Life has long opposed the imposition of penalties on the woman on whom an abortion is attempted or performed. Rather, penalties should be imposed against any abortionist who would take the life of an unborn child in defiance of statutes prohibiting abortions. National Right to Life-backed state and federal legislation, such as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act and the Dismemberment Abortion Ban, is targeted at stopping abortionists.

nrlc.org/communications/releases/2016/release033016b/

 

[queenofheartscv]

It’s certainly more likely that he revealed his true feelings when spontaneously answering a question, as opposed to a carefully-worded press release response to a growing firestorm.

I suspect there a lot of topics that he hasn’t considered, so I’ll grant you that point. However, that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t speaking his true feelings.

Ploys are not needed. All one has to do is ask an anti-abortion candidate what their true feelings are - i.e. Todd Akin, Richard Mourdoch, etc.

Since this is all hypothetical, what about this scenario:

Abortion is banned. A woman contracts an illegal abortion. Doctor goes to jail. Woman is not punished. She gets pregnant again and contracts another illegal abortion. Another doctor goes to jail. She is still scotch free.

Does that seem right?

What am I missing?

 

[on_the_hill]

In my opinion, Trump doesn’t have even the vaguest, most tenuous grasp of what he’s talking about.

Nope. He simply talks without any thought about what he’s saying. Doesn’t matter what the issue is.

Did anyone see John Oliver’s commentary on Trump from about a week ago? Brilliantly funny and spot on.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Nope. **He simply talks without any thought about what he’s saying. Doesn’t matter what the issue is.
**
Did anyone see John Oliver’s commentary on Trump from about a week ago? Brilliantly funny and spot on.

Or maybe his thinking is just too different from yours.

 

[TN_VOL]

Since this is all hypothetical, what about this scenario:

Abortion is banned. A woman contracts an illegal abortion. Doctor goes to jail. Woman is not punished. She gets pregnant again and contracts another illegal abortion. Another doctor goes to jail. She is still scotch free.

Does that seem right?

What am I missing?

Your instincts are right. The same people on condemning Trump for saying this are the same people that complain that prostitutes are always jailed but not necessarily always the Johns, that’s a double standard the way I see it. They are also the same people that have been telling me he is a right wing extremist. Then there are the so called “conservatives” who also condemned him today, Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council" comes to mind, all the while for the past few months have been saying that he is not a true conservative. He is obviously not a perfect man, but if the media, liberals, and conservative establishment hate him then he must be doing something.

 

[Seamus_L]

At 5:30 today I felt like CBS News was telling me “Now Trump’s done it, and there’s no way you can support him after this”.

 

[Estevao]

Today I learned that the modern “pro-life” movement are modern feminists who think that women can do no wrong. I thought when they said “abortion is murder” they meant it, but apparently it was this special kind of murder that deserves no punishment for the person who contracted the murder. I’m honestly still taking this is in, it was very disturbing.

Trump is really throwing a wrench the system. You go, man!

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Since this is all hypothetical, what about this scenario:

Abortion is banned. A woman contracts an illegal abortion. Doctor goes to jail. Woman is not punished. She gets pregnant again and contracts another illegal abortion. Another doctor goes to jail. She is still scotch free.

Does that seem right?

What am I missing?

Shouldn’t each case be judged on its own merit? Each sentence also?

 

[Little_Sheep]

National Right to Life: Punish Abortionists, Not Women

nrlc.org/communications/releases/2016/release033016b/

Yes, yes. Woman are clearly not able to make their own considered decisions. Don’t punish those poor, unthinking women!

 

[Little_Sheep]

Shouldn’t each case be judged on its own merit? Each sentence also?

Surely our courts have room for this.

 

[Seamus_L]

I don’t think Donald Trump is looking bad tonight, but it’s rather those Pro-Life organizations who think they speak for everyone in the Pro-Life community that are looking hypocritical.

 

[Tomdstone]

What do you think would happen if were elected and then actually attempted to stop all U.S. aid to Saudi Arabia and Israel?

Our taxes would go down and the government would have more money to give to students who have to pay huge tuition costs, student fees, room and board fees, to get a college degree. Why not use the money saved to help poor struggling families trying to make ends meet with four or five children instead of giving it to the Saudi Arabian princes and their several wives. After all, Saudi Arabia does not permit conversion to Christianity and from the last I heard, you can have your head chopped off if you decide that Islam is not right for you. As for Israel, I am against a situation where Jews spit on Catholic priests and Eastern Orthodox Priests. IMHO, it is quite rude for them to go around spitting on our priests.
haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099
jpost.com/Magazine/Mouths-filled-with-hatred
haaretz.com/israel-news/ultra-orthodox-spitting-attacks-on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669