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Al_Moritz said:
Yes, imagining Trump as champion of religious freedom always seemed delusional after his advocacy for a Muslim ban.

I think it requires quite a contortion of mind to believe that Hillary would be any worse.
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But Hillary has said, “Religious people have got to change how they think” when she was speaking of abortion and I think she feels that way about a lot of areas. Trump said it was wrong for President Johnson to take away the right for churches to speak on politics. He may give us that right again. Plus, Pence said he would like to see RoevWade overturned so he is certainly pro-life.

I am voting for Pence.
 
I don’t envy Americans (I’m not one) in having to make the choice between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. A Hillary Clinton presidency would be enough to make you want to weep, but the thought of Donald Trump in charge of nuclear weapons during a crisis is a scary thought. I don’t envy you when you go to vote.
 
Good_Tidings said:
Since Trump wants to ban all Muslims, the Mormons are sensitive to their own religion being marginalized.
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GoodTidings, do you insist that Donald Trump wants to ban all Muslims? Is this your true belief? If so, you are believing a lie. That’s not what he said, that’s not what he promotes. Slow down admitting people to our country who don’t believe in our constitution where everyone is created equal with laws to follow along those lines… If people come in who don’t believe in our constitution and our laws we are going to have a lawless nation. Is that what you want?

Would you go to Mexico and go against their laws and beliefs and live peacefully there? No, they would arrest you and throw you in jail and throw away the key… Do you want us to accept people who kill their daughters because they learn to drive or dress in a western way? Is this freedom? For the parents? For the daughters?
 
Al_Moritz said:
Yes the right wing radio host was Charlie Sykes from Wisconsin. Smart man. He was vocally against Trump from the very beginning. Trump lost badly there in the primary, also thanks to Sykes’ heroic efforts to educate his listeners.
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Can you explain to me why you are thinking that Trump is a threat to Democracy? Do you really mean a threat to Democrats? Liberalism? Socialism? Where are you coming from?
 
PRmerger said:
How would you establish that someone is a Christian? Would there be a test?

Proof of baptism?

What if the baptism occurred within the past week? Would that be deemed too convenient and coincidental?
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This is off-topic, but . . .

Give him/her a ham sandwich and a beer and see what he does, maybe?
 
_Abyssinia said:
Yes Donald Trump has his moral failings and those are very publicly known, yet despite these failings he has also received the endorsement and support from various faith leaders. Christians believe in forgiveness, repentance and change of behaviour and who knows what Donald Trump has done privately in relation to this.
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And don’t we all have our failings? If you are talking about multiple marriages, addiction to sex, belief in woman’s right to choose…etc… how many people do we know and have in our own families who do and believe the same things. As long as a person is alive they have the ability to change and do better.
 
Al_Moritz said:
Yes the right wing radio host was Charlie Sykes from Wisconsin. Smart man. He was vocally against Trump from the very beginning. Trump lost badly there in the primary, also thanks to Sykes’ heroic efforts to educate his listeners.
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Talk radio host Charlie Sykes admitted in an interview with Business Insider‘s Oliver Darcy that conservative media had “created a monster” in successfully making an entire segment of conservative voters immune to reason and fact-checking.
In an excerpt from an interview with Darcy posted on Twitter Sunday, Sykes discusses how the conservative media had established itself for decades as an antidote to the “mainstream media,” educating generations of viewers to view the major media outlets with suspicion. The result was that there was no longer anyone in a position to fact-check Donald Trump in a way that would reach his base. “We’ve basically eliminated any of the referees, the gatekeepers. There’s nobody,” Sykes said.
“At a certain point you wake up and you realize you have destroyed the credibility of any credible outlet out there,” he added. “And I am feeling, to a certain extent, that we are reaping the whirlwind at that. And I have to look in the mirror and ask myself, ‘To what extent did I contribute?’”

mediaite.com/online/conservative-talk-radio-host-admits-weve-created-a-monster/
 
Good_Tidings said:
He gives no details, only generalities. If one wants details they should go to Hillary’s website. Personally, I think the devil is in the details. So those that think Hillary is the devil should at least read the details.
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Its just more of the same with goodies
 
Good_Tidings said:
Talk radio host Charlie Sykes admitted in an interview with Business Insider‘s Oliver Darcy that conservative media had “created a monster” in successfully making an entire segment of conservative voters immune to reason and fact-checking.
In an excerpt from an interview with Darcy posted on Twitter Sunday, Sykes discusses how the conservative media had established itself for decades as an antidote to the “mainstream media,” educating generations of viewers to view the major media outlets with suspicion. The result was that there was no longer anyone in a position to fact-check Donald Trump in a way that would reach his base. “We’ve basically eliminated any of the referees, the gatekeepers. There’s nobody,” Sykes said.
“At a certain point you wake up and you realize you have destroyed the credibility of any credible outlet out there,” he added. “And I am feeling, to a certain extent, that we are reaping the whirlwind at that. And I have to look in the mirror and ask myself, ‘To what extent did I contribute?’”

mediaite.com/online/conservative-talk-radio-host-admits-weve-created-a-monster/
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Nobody?

What about our own innate ability to think?

I suppose Sykes wants us all to presume he is the one we ought to listen to because he has made such a strong case that “nobody” is in our corner to defend us against the bogey man. Perhaps if we pick a bogeywoman instead we will be spared?"

Hey, I just heard there is a new third party candidate running. His name is Karl Marks. He’s an economist and a suitable replacement for Bernie Sanders.

the-american-catholic.com/2016/08/16/marx-2016/

I think there is good reason to be suspicious of the mainstream media, the political elites and the education system upon all of whom we have been taught – and now Sykes reinforces the lesson – to do our thinking for us. :rolleyes:

All we need is someone like Sykes to remind us of how we are all incompetent to be gatekeepers – as if he is the only one, by pointing out the fact that “nobody” can, that he alone can be.

My vote will be for Karl Marks. Anyone but a flesh and blood bogeyman or bogeywoman when there are no referees or gatekeepers around to protect us. :takeoff:
 
Peter_Plato said:
Hey, I just heard there is a new third party candidate running. His name is Karl Marks. He’s an economist and a suitable replacement for Bernie Sanders.
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I think I may have misspelled the name of the new third party candidate.

His name is spelled Marx, apparently.

He’s written books and stuff. Very smart.

:hmmm: Where are those gatekeepers when you need them?
 
Michael68 said:
Its just more of the same with goodies
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Well, “promises” of goodies, more like, but the lion’s share will go to a worthy charity. 😃

I hear you have to pay in advance to play. Something of a Faustian bargain, I would think.

But many are in on the gravy train and are willing to do their share to build the pyramid. There won’t be an exodus from the train too soon because such a decision would require a human soul and that was bartered away as part of the deal.
 
Peter_Plato said:
Nobody?

What about our own innate ability to think?
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Thinking alone is not sufficient without accurate facts on which the thought is working. By distrusting all sources of facts and information other than the one narrow group that feeds you information, you essentially put yourself at the mercy of that one source. It is the way all fanatic cults work. “Don’t believe anyone else but us!”. Once they control the facts, they control the thought too.
 
It is obvious the mainstream media is an extension of the Hillary campaign. Trump has a valid point that they are dishonest
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Thinking alone is not sufficient without accurate facts on which the thought is working. By distrusting all sources of facts and information other than the one narrow group that feeds you information, you essentially put yourself at the mercy of that one source. It is the way all fanatic cults work. “Don’t believe anyone else but us!”. Once they control the facts, they control the thought too.
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Well said.

Peter, imagine you had only read atheist philosophers, instead of being so extraordinarily well-informed about theistic philosophy. That would be the equivalent of only living in the political bubble whose information you trust over the information coming from the ‘lamestream’ (err, ‘mainstream’) media which is often more accurate.
 
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