Trump Thread

[Peter_Plato]

Ever since you determined MSM was not well-informed.

Wouldn’t that be circular reasoning on your part?

Well…

… at least limpy reasoning on your part.

See the Third Rule of Fight Club.

 

[sallybutler]

Wouldn’t that be circular reasoning on your part?

Well…

… at least limpy reasoning on your part.

See the Third Rule of Fight Club.

This is not the Fight Club.

This should be a place where people of good faith come together to discuss their opinions, presenting their arguments in a well-reasoned fashion while not denigrating others for having different opinions.

 

[Peter_Plato]

This is not the Fight Club.

This should be a place where people of good faith come together to discuss their opinions, presenting their arguments in a well-reasoned fashion while not denigrating others for having different opinions.

You left out…

“…all the while demonstrating a complete absence of any sense of humour.”

See the Fifth Rule.

Well, okay, you got me on the First and Second Rules.

'Nuff said.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Wouldn’t that be circular reasoning on your part?

Let me spell it out for you. You have stated that MSM is unreliable as a source of factual information. When I asked how you qualify a good source, you said any source that is well-informed. Therefore you do not believe MSM is well-informed.

 

[Peter_Plato]

Let me spell it out for you. You have stated that MSM is unreliable as a source of factual information. When I asked how you qualify a good source, you said any source that is well-informed. Therefore you do not believe MSM is well-informed.

Yes, I do not believe MSM is “well-informed,” but I never gave my reasons for saying that of them.

You merely assumed circular reasoning and then accused me of circular reasoning.

You put the two “facts” together above and then accused me of using that as my line of reasoning.

The circular reasoning is yours, not mine, since you are presenting an argument that I never made.

I could have a whole host of reasons why I think the MSM is not well-informed and none of those need to be the one you presented as circular.

You never asked, by the way, why I think the MSM is uninformed, you merely put a circular argument into my mouth as if you were the ventriloquist and I were your wooden dummy.

That cuts deep, Leaf…

… even into wood.

 

[TCEL]

Will Trump get re-elected in four years?

When are the Court Justices expected to go out? Would they choose to leave on a Republican or Democratic term?

Would Hillary get re-elected in four years? Could Republicans regroup in that time to put forth a better candidate?

Ok everyone, pull out your crystal balls and scry for me.

Seriously though, these are the big questions troubling me.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Yes, I do not believe MSM is “well-informed,” but I never gave my reasons for saying that of them.

Well, I must admit I did not expect you to take take that position. My bad. So, why do you think MSM is not well-informed, as distinct from “biased”? After all, they do have more investigative reporters than “non mainstream” sources. Students in journalism strive to get into MSM. MSM has a good history of breaking stories. They must be doing something right.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Never heard of two, and don’t follow the third.

Still pulling into fallacy territory.

Facts and arguments only, thanks.

How are we supposed to know who you are talking about when you haven’t even said what exactly constitutes “mainstream media”?

 

[gilliam]

Most voters still think the media is more interested in controversy than in the issues when it comes to the presidential race, and supporters of Donald Trump strongly believe the coverage of his public comments is a classic example. Most Hillary Clinton supporters say Trump’s just a sloppy speaker.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 74% of Likely U.S. Voters believe that in covering presidential candidates the media is more interested in creating controversies about them than in reporting where they stand on the issues. Just 20% think the media is more interested in covering where the candidates stand on the issues. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

This marks no change from last year at this time but is still a better view of the media than voters held for several years prior to that when over 80% regularly said reporters were more interested in controversy.

rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/is_trump_to_blame_for_his_bad_media_coverage

 

[jtauke]

He claims he’s voting “against Trump”, but that’s a distinction without real difference. What he fails to do is explain which of Mr. Trump’s proposed policies will result in the deaths of over 1 million people per year, thus giving him the “proportionate reasons” figleaf.

All this talk about Trump, defender of life. If he gets elected and you actually think R v. W gets overturned in the next four years, I’ve got oceanfront property in Iowa to sell you.

 

[Theo520]

Fair enough.

And if he is a Hillary Apologist, how does that make his comment wrong?

Didn’t Shea say their policies were exactly the same? That is an outright lie used to dismiss the substance of why one might vote for Trump.

It showed him to be a shallow Hillary apologist.

 

[Thorolfr]

In the news, Mr. Trump criticizing Hillary Clinton by comparing her to Germany’s popular, well regarded Chancellor, Angela Merkel:

In his big foreign policy speech Monday, Donald Trump coined a new nickname for his Democratic opponent: “America’s Angela Merkel.”

“In short, Hillary Clinton wants to be America’s Angela Merkel,” he said at the event in Youngstown, Ohio. “And you know what a disaster this massive immigration has been to Germany and the people of Germany. Crime has risen to levels that no one thought they would ever, ever see. It is a catastrophe.”

Trump was clearly trying to make a point about the European refugee crisis, arguing that Clinton’s policy toward refugees was approaching the scale of Germany’s. In 2015, Germany took in just over 1 million refugees from the Middle East and Africa, a policy which has divided the country’s residents and created a complex political situation there.

But those listening to Trump’s comments from across the Atlantic in Berlin noted the comparison with both a bit of confusion and a certain amount of amusement-- because while it’s true that the refugee crisis in Germany has presented a new political challenge for Merkel, she’s still relatively popular and overall remains one of the most influential, well-regarded leaders in Europe.

And what’s more, many Americans probably have no idea–or only the vaguest idea–who Merkel actually is.

“It struck me when I heard these comments of Trump,” said Peter Matuschek, chief political analyst for the German polling firm Forsa. “[Merkel] still is enjoying approval rates that [former Chancellor Helmut] Kohl had never dreamed of.”

Trump’s comments Monday about the German leader were only the latest in a string of criticism he’s thrown Merkel’s way: the GOP nominee has previously claimed that Merkel is “ruining Germany,” that she is a “catastrophic leader” and even that she’ll “be out if they don’t have a revolution.”

“I don’t know what happened to her,” Trump said back in January. “She was doing well, maybe she got power-hungry, maybe she thought she was invincible … the German people are saying we’ve had it, we’ve had it.”

cbsnews.com/news/donald-trumps-new-nickname-for-hillary-clinton-puzzles-germans/

Here’s Mr. Trump criticizing Angela Merkel while heaping praise on Vladimir Putin…

 

[TMC]

How can it be said that the media is against Trump? The heads of two major media outlets have joined his campaign. He gets all the free air time he wants. If anything, the media has helped to create Trump and have propped up his campaign.

 

[meltzerboy]

How can it be said that the media is against Trump? The heads of two major media outlets have joined his campaign. He gets all the free air time he wants. If anything, the media has helped to create Trump and have propped up his campaign.

That was certainly true during the primaries. Whenever Trump gave a speech or held a rally, the media would cover him. They did not afford so much air time to the other candidates.

 

[Sy_Noe]

How can it be said that the media is against Trump? The heads of two major media outlets have joined his campaign. He gets all the free air time he wants. If anything, the media has helped to create Trump and have propped up his campaign.

Exactly.

 

[gilliam]

Mexico president says he’s willing to meet with Trump

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-trump-mexico-idUKKCN10S0FL

 

[PRmerger]

Didn’t Shea say their policies were exactly the same?

Nope.

He said that Trump is horrifically worse than Clinton because he advocates “the same terrible policies she does on abortion and bellicosity and service of the 1%** while also advocating still more terrible ideas besides.** Hillary, for all her faults, does not advocate these or, when she does, it is in a much more muted form.”

 

[Theo520]

How can it be said that the media is against Trump? The heads of two major media outlets have joined his campaign. He gets all the free air time he wants. If anything, the media has helped to create Trump and have propped up his campaign.

WHAT!?
ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSN, NY Times, WaPo - which one of them had defectors to Trump?

If you are thinking of Breitbart, they are a small niche conservatives site, not a major media outlet.

 

[Millie123]

Listen to the whole thing … including the intro by Rudi Guiliani. Watch it.

Trump departed from his text here and there and employed some sarcasm and facial expressions.

Easy to miss what the audience got.

If you are going to ask me to watch the whole thing again, then I am going to ask you to read the the whole thing (the link to his speech is posted in the post that you quoted of mine). I feel that I retain more details of his policies when I read his speeches compared to when Im just listening to him.

 

[petra22]

A threat to democracy and national security, see also these posts and links therein (please read those links):

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14104714&postcount=3

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14104039&postcount=263

I went to the first link and it was CAF stating talking points about DT. That is just liberal opinion… how can you call Trump inexperienced when you see how inexperienced BHO was and we voted him in for 8 years… Really.

And so what if a bunch of Republicans want funds withheld from Trump campaign. What does that tell you? The whole party isn’t liking Trump? WHY? He’s not one of them. And maybe they are RINOs anyway??? Trump is not for the PARTY. Trump is for AMERICA. All AMERICANS. He wants jobs back. He wants our money to stop going overseas so much… Can’t you see and feel that the money has gone overseas? Follow the money and then let’s let Trump go get it and bring it back. So many of us are suffering and giving us food stamps and a cell phone isn’t helping that much…

Tell me what you think and why you think it?