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mary_bobo said:
Trump has given a list of judges he would nominate to the SC and they are good. It is the courts that can help with the pro-life movement not the president alone. We are going to get one of those two, may as well take a chance on the unknown (as many did with Obama) rather than they one we know will be totally pro-abortion in every way possible.
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How do you know he wasn’t being “sarcastic” in making up the list?
 
Al_Moritz said:
You are completely right of course. Europeans like you look at the Trump horror show and, justifiedly so, ask themselves how Americans can be so plain out of their mind to fall for it. Unfortunately, it’s Americans who will decide the election. Fortunately, they seem to be wiser than I thought, if you can believe the polls the last few weeks.

Yes, a Trump loss by a landslide might put the genie back in the bottle, at least a good part of it – I am afraid the genie will never completely die from now on.
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I’m afraid the genie won’t go back in the bottle either. this is a serious problem for the Republican party. I went out for dinner with two old school republicans and we all commented on how much we miss the "old’ party where we would only disagree on policy and keep friendships. It doesn’t happen too much anymore. More’s the pity!
 
Peter_Plato said:
And the same “article of faith, impervious and impenetrable to rational assessment” applies to any supporter of HRC who thinks that her life is not “a walking anecdote for the various cultural ideologies and trajectories” that any decent, thoughtful, moral and reasonable human being would oppose.
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No one here, AFAIK, is saying that HRC is without flaw.

What is being asserted is that anyone who votes for Trump because he’s prolife, or because he’s going to be a friend to the unborn…is going to be sadly disappointed.

Not to mention: all of Trump’s moral decadence, esp. with regard to the fact that he’s living in adultery, views sex as for pleasure alone, has refused to answer the question as to whether he’s personally funded an abortion…all that and more…are exactly what promotes the abortion culture.

“So when two candidates both support the same grave evils but one of them supports even more grave evils besides, you can—can, mark you, not must–support the one who advocates fewer evils, not to support their evils, but to lessen the evil the other candidate wishes to do.”–Catholic Apologist Mark Shea
 
PRmerger said:
No one here, AFAIK, is saying that HRC is without flaw.

What is being asserted is that anyone who votes for Trump because he’s prolife, or because he’s going to be a friend to the unborn…is going to be sadly disappointed.

Not to mention: all of Trump’s moral decadence, esp. with regard to the fact that he’s living in adultery, views sex as for pleasure alone, has refused to answer the question as to whether he’s personally funded an abortion…all that and more…are exactly what promotes the abortion culture.

“So when two candidates both support the same grave evils but one of them supports even more grave evils besides, you can—can, mark you, not must–support the one who advocates fewer evils, not to support their evils, but to lessen the evil the other candidate wishes to do.”–Catholic Apologist Mark Shea
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You are commenting here as if it’s s fact that Trump will let pro-lifers down, when he hasn’t even become President yet! This reminds me of an excerpt of a comment by estesbob to somebody else on this forum, (hope it’s ok with you that I post excerpt of your comment here, estesbob) - " It is hard to see how vague fears about what a candidate “might” do can overcome a candidates explicit statements about what they’re going to do"

You don’t know for a fact he will let pro-lifers down on abortion, but what Hillary Clinton? Do you think she would do anything to advance the pro-life movement in regards to abortion if she were to become President?

Yes Donald Trump has his moral failings and those are very publicly known, yet despite these failings he has also received the endorsement and support from various faith leaders. Christians believe in forgiveness, repentance and change of behaviour and who knows what Donald Trump has done privately in relation to this.
 
Good_Tidings said:
How do you know he wasn’t being “sarcastic” in making up the list?
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None of us knows for sure what a candidate will do, however I have confidence in his VP running mate as he is strongly pro-life. We have heard what Hillary has said for years. I would rather take a chance that Trump will be better. He certainly will be in appointing SC justices, as his list has indicated. The SC will be deciding many more issues than abortion in the coming years. While abortion is the major concern for those of us who are Catholic and pro-life, there are many others issues that come up. I don’t want a group of activist judges deciding these things.
 
Good_Tidings said:
I’m afraid the genie won’t go back in the bottle either. this is a serious problem for the Republican party. I went out for dinner with two old school republicans and we all commented on how much we miss the "old’ party where we would only disagree on policy and keep friendships. It doesn’t happen too much anymore. More’s the pity!
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Conversely, I find the rift quite shallow since they aren’t really disagreeing about policy. It’s more about pride and adults will get over it.
 
PRmerger said:
As a prolife voter, I find it injudicious to accept the personal, cultural and moral decay of our candidates for the sake of (possible) conservative judges and legal writs.
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So you’ll accept the worse moral decay of the other candidate for what exactly?
 
_Abyssinia said:
You are commenting here as if it’s s fact that Trump will let pro-lifers down, when he hasn’t even become President yet!
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No. Not a fact.

But saying that he’s prolife is definitely a myth.

And it’s a fact that he’s in an adulterous relationship.

So many of the things which nurture an abortion-mindset, which destroy the culture of life–he has embraced.
 
zz912 said:
So you’ll accept the worse moral decay of the other candidate for what exactly?
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There is no worse moral decay than what’s already been discussed in Trump.

As Catholic Apologist Mark Shea says: Trump is vastly worse than Hillary because he advocates the same terrible policies she does on abortion and bellicosity and service of the 1% while also advocating still more terrible ideas besides. Hillary, for all her faults, does not advocate these or, when she does, it is in a much more muted form.–

patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2016/05/voting-to-support-a-lesser-evil-vs-voting-to-lessen-evil.html
 
Al_Moritz said:
You are completely right of course. Europeans like you look at the Trump horror show and, justifiedly so, ask themselves how Americans can be so plain out of their mind to fall for it. Unfortunately, it’s Americans who will decide the election. Fortunately, they seem to be wiser than I thought, if you can believe the polls the last few weeks.

Yes, a Trump loss by a landslide might put the genie back in the bottle, at least a good part of it – I am afraid the genie will never completely die from now on.
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But the USA is going to die if we keep on the same path… look around, where are the jobs for people? ALL people? Where is the money. It’s in Washington and being sent over seas much more than people realize… We need to do some things good for America again. No matter what color of Americans… All Americans!
 
PRmerger said:
There is no worse moral decay than what’s already been discussed in Trump.

As Catholic Apologist Mark Shea says: Trump is vastly worse than Hillary because** he advocates the same terrible policies she does on abortion **and bellicosity and service of the 1% while also advocating still more terrible ideas besides. Hillary, for all her faults, does not advocate these or, when she does, it is in a much more muted form.–
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This is a factually false statement from Mr. Shea. I don’t support Trump so I’m not trying to swing votes his way, but there’s no way a serious person can make that claim. Hillary Clinton and the DNC are on record as supporting removing all abortion restrictions, AND repealing the Hyde amendment so that abortions can be funded by taxpayer funds.
 
zz912 said:
This is a factually false statement from Mr. Shea. I don’t support Trump so I’m not trying to swing votes his way, but there’s no way a serious person can make that claim. Hillary Clinton and the DNC are on record as supporting removing all abortion restrictions, AND repealing the Hyde amendment so that abortions can be funded by taxpayer funds.
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And Trump has donated almost $400,000 to democrats to help them further their causes. He claims it was to buy influence to do business in NY (pay for play anyone?) but would any serious pro-life conservative donate money to Hillary and the democratic party knowing they will always push an extreme abortion position forward?

I truly believe that Trump is a con-artist. He has no moral center other then enriching himself with more money and fame and will pretend to be anything he has to in order to do it.
 
Bell(name removed by moderator) said:
And Trump has donated almost $400,000 to democrats to help them further their causes. He claims it was to buy influence to do business in NY (pay for play anyone?) but would any serious pro-life conservative donate money to Hillary and the democratic party knowing they will always push an extreme abortion position forward?

I truly believe that Trump is a con-artist. He has no moral center other then enriching himself with more money and fame and will pretend to be anything he has to in order to do it.
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It’s not even as if Trump is trying to conceal the fact he’s not the real deal. And yet his supporters eat it up and attempt to justify his almost daily controversial comments.
 
zz912 said:
This is a factually false statement from Mr. Shea. I don’t support Trump so I’m not trying to swing votes his way, but there’s no way a serious person can make that claim. Hillary Clinton and the DNC are on record as supporting removing all abortion restrictions, AND repealing the Hyde amendment so that abortions can be funded by taxpayer funds.
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I’m not sure I agree with mr. Shea about Hillary being the less of two evils. I think her stance on abortion is not compatible with Catholicism. But trump isn’t prolife. So it’s six of 1 half dozen of the other.

I feel duped though. The Republican Party was supposed to be the prolife party. But abortion didn’t matter much when it came to getting Trump as the candidate.
 
meltzerboy said:
It’s not even as if Trump is trying to conceal the fact he’s not the real deal. And yet his supporters eat it up and attempt to justify his almost daily controversial comments.
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+1
It’s astonishing of the impenetrable bubble that most Trump supporters seem to live in, unable to see any fault at all in ANY of his ideas/plans/statements. Mind boggling.
 
Strydersroom said:
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It’s astonishing of the impenetrable bubble that most Trump supporters seem to live in, unable to see any fault at all in ANY of his ideas/plans/statements. Mind boggling.
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I’ll add to that. It can’t be media bias.

The New Yorker recently had a satirical piece about Trump being upset reporters quoted him directly and it not being fair.

The whole Obama founder of Isis thing. It isn’t sarcasm when you repeat it as a fact, are give a chance to explain and keep insisting. Then say it was sarcasm. :confused:

And after that that spokeswoman goes out and “clarifies” further.

And then the Twitter rants. A the Twitter retweets.

He tweeted yesterday that he hasn’t changed, He’s always the same. Ok same as what?

I’m in my forties, and I remember him being in the news twhen I was in High school. Not favorably.
 
Padres1969 said:
Not surprising. You can’t go around talking about banning or restricting religions and not expect descendants of people who were banned or restricted for their religious beliefs to jump at the chance to vote for you.
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Will he ban Irish Catholics next?:rolleyes:
 
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