Trump to honor refugee swap deal with Australia

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The form this will now take will be interesting. As it is a swap. We like to detain our refugees on tropical islands and treat them in a way that upsets the UN.
 
petra22 said:
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Sorry 😇

This agreement was done pre Trump. We Australians have an abysmal record for the treatment of refugees, especially our boat people.

Many Aussies see this agreement as a cop out for resettling refugees here, and as some attempt to stop the boat people.

Given many of these are now from war torn and muslim countries, its kind of interesting to know how the swap will play out.

Do we swap you any persecuted christians and take the muslims you guys now dont want.

From last November
smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-refugee-swap-the-kind-of-thing-trump-will-nix-on-day-one-says-washington-think-tank-20161113-gsoi51.html

18hrs ago
abc.net.au/news/2016-11-13/australia-poised-to-announce-outcome-of-refugee-deal/8020564

afr.com/news/world/president-donald-trump-threat-to-usaustralia-refugee-deal-20170125-gtysb9
 
Roseeurekacross said:
The form this will now take will be interesting. As it is a swap. We like to detain our refugees on tropical islands and treat them in a way that upsets the UN.
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Australia detains “irregular arrivals” offshore, not its planned refugee intake.

I understand Australia’s situation. It is among the most desirable migration destinations on the planet. Refugees want to go there, and will travel great distances to get there, including flying in to Indonesia as a “stopover” (staging point) prior to boarding a small boat (run by so-called people smugglers) for a considerable fee, to be taken to Australia, at great risk of drowning at sea, with the expectation that Australia will settle all comers (on top of their UNHRC intake).

Given the quantity of displaced persons in the world, the only solution is for many more countries to put their hands up to take many more people (through planned intakes) and with reduced choice exercised by the refugee himself as to destination, otherwise the flood will be drawn towards the desirable destinations.
 
I am in error here in that the USA travel ban is not a religious one, but a ban on 7 countries. Sorry guys. (Aussie media running riot focussing on the wrong issue).

The refugee swap is targeted at the illegal boat people refugee detaines we have sequestered on Manus Island and on Naru. Which is why I mentioned them.
Our government is trying to sweep this issue under the skirts of our Island fringe. And continues to detain these people in less then optimum conditions. with children detained for years. They are mainly from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq.
It is a hot issue here ☺️

Refugees coming in the legal way are resettled in the community. Its how much of Australia was built. On floods of immigration.

I admire anyone who jumps in a less then seaworthy boat, risks pirates, starvation, sinking and drowning, to get to our shores.
Best employer I have had came here post Vietnam war as a 7yo child, on a boat, without his parents. Most amazing, kind, gentle and just individual.

We are one of the toughest countries to emigrate too, with borders not easily breached.

I seriously have no idea what our PM thinks this swap will achieve. I believe it will encourage more boat people with the promise of swapping out to USA. Many arrive here with absolutely no documentation.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
I am in error here in that the USA travel ban is not a religious one, but a ban on 7 countries. Sorry guys. (Aussie media running riot focussing on the wrong issue).

The refugee swap is targeted at the illegal boat people refugee detainees we have sequestered on Manus Island and on Naru. Which is why I mentioned them.
Our government is trying to sweep this issue under the skirts of our Island fringe. And continues to detain these people in less then optimum conditions. with children detained for years. They are mainly from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq.
It is a hot issue here ☺️

Refugees coming in the legal way are resettled in the community. Its how much of Australia was built. On floods of immigration.

I admire anyone who jumps in a less then seaworthy boat, risks pirates, starvation, sinking and drowning, to get to our shores.
Best employer I have had came here post Vietnam war as a 7yo child, on a boat, without his parents. Most amazing, kind, gentle and just individual.

We are one of the toughest countries to emigrate too, with borders not easily breached.

I seriously have no idea what our PM thinks this swap will achieve. I believe it will encourage more boat people with the promise of swapping out to USA. Many arrive here with absolutely no documentation.
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The details have been deliberately kept vague as far as the Australian ( and US) public is concerned, but I’ll be surprised if there’s isn’t some sort of pay off to the US by Australia, whether financial or in some other way.

abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/details-of-us-australia-refugee-deal-remain-vague/8222228

I don’t support our current policy of pushing illegal refugees off shore. I think it is immoral, and I can’t see why they can’t be kept here, with the money also being spent here to look after them, rather than overseas.

But I also remember talking to a former neighbour a few years ago, who had once been a sailor in the Australian Navy. He said that when they towed some of these refugee boats into Darwin, the next thing they knew very highly paid QC’s (Queen’s Counsels) would fly up from Sydney on behalf of ***some ***of the allegedly destitute refugees.

Who was paying for that? Meanwhile the sailors just went on doing their infinitely lower paid job pulling people out of the sea.

I know this much - the US wouldn’t be helping us with our refugee issue, unless there was some sort of benefit to the American national interest. I can’ t see the same President buildng a wall to keep out Mexican and other refugees then agreeing to take some of ours, unless there’s some US benefit in the deal, whatever it is.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
Sorry 😇

This agreement was done pre Trump. We Australians have an abysmal record for the treatment of refugees, especially our boat people.
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I for one would not mind as bad as it is though. I think Australia has her own fair share of taking the refugees at her own disadvantage; the bad things that have been done and happened in Australia as a result of new people with new religion and culture coming here unable to assimilate to the way of the country.
 
I think Trump hits it on the mark when he said that the people whom we accept must deeply love the new country and its people.
 
Bob there was talk of Aus swapping in Central Americans from the States.
Reuben , Triad members came in with the first wave of boat people. Decades ago. And that is a lesson no country, lest of all ours, learnt.
Melbourne has quite a problem atm with a certain faction of immigrant youth. It is an out of control Crime wave. In my book, its being fuelled by those running the ICE trade though. And including several disaffected groups of youths.

Before this, Melbourne, statistically was a more violent city, and a person was more likely to be attacked, then NYC. We just dont have the guns.
 
Bob_Crowley said:
…I don’t support our current policy of pushing illegal refugees off shore. I think it is immoral, and I can’t see why they can’t be kept here, with the money also being spent here to look after them, rather than overseas.
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One could make that judgement. It is even a reasonable first reaction. But one needs to think through the consequences of being open to that path for receiving refugees. How many hundreds of thousands would make the trip annually? What obligations to settle what numbers in Australia arise?

Intake of refugees around the world through managed processes are disappointingly low. Hence we have large irregular processes.
 
Mary, Joseph and Jesus became refugees into Egypt, fleeing persecution of Herod.
 
The latest,

Trump is said to be rethinking the swap. It was reported Trump would take them with extreme vetting first. But now , given the demographic, the swap is being rethought.
 
We could arrange for the Peoples Republic of China to accommodate them on one of their artificial islands in the South China Sea.

Or, Russia could accommodate them on Big Diomede Island. [You could see them from Alaska.]
 
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