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No actually I’m referring to the late 19th and early 20th centuries so your comparison is wrong.
Trump tries to win over ‘Suburban Housewives’ with repeal of anti-segregation housing rule
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If you can’t have a discussion about actual reasons for policy, and have to retreat to desperately proclaiming the race card… well… that’s unfortunate. Suburbs aren’t nearly all white, inner cities aren’t nearly all black. You have no premise, you’re just making stuff up to make the guy you hate seem really bad. The issue is non-racial. If you have to perform mental gymnastics to create a racial issue, it says a lot about your attitude towards races, and how important race is to you as far a defining someone. We should have left these attitudes back in the Democrat Jim Crow South, but they’re making a massive resurgence in the modern Democrat party, BLM, etc. Regression such as this should be opposed. Racist speech against the entire white race (whatever that is) and racist books like “White Fragility” should be opposed. If you want to oppose racism, the only way to do it is to oppose modern leftism. They’re the ones who size anyone’s life up by their race first and foremost. It’s such a poisonous and divisive doctrine.
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Your sarcasm is noted.
Let’s be clear. None of us have the knowledge to judge the faith of others here on CAF. We also don’t have the authority to judge whether, in a member’s personal life, they practice their Christ’s call.
There is nothing unchristian in wanting provide for your family the best you can. Growth of wealth provides the resources to grow in charity.
Finally, Christ’s call to us to help the least of His children does not include a call to compel or coerce others to do so, and it certainly doesn’t include employing government power to do so.
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Most of the homeless are insane or drug addicts. Everybody knows that. Most of them could live in modest housing and pay for it with government benefits if they chose to do it. But the drug life doesn’t leave money for things like rent.
We would do those folks a lot better turn if we again provided decent institutionalization and treatment instead of abandoning them out of an exaggerated and phony pretense of honoring their “freedom”. They’re not “free”. They’re enslaved by untreated mental illness or drug addiction.
Providing housing where there are jobs won’t change that. There are jobs in the cities where they camp. But it may also be noted that significant numbers of jobs are usually not found in suburban neighborhoods zoned single family. Even those residents work elsewhere.
In every city there are plenty of housing units that could be rented or purchased at very reasonable prices. But they get abandoned because there is no effective program of rehabilitation of those units.
None of this is to say that all homelessness is due to mental illness or drug use. Some is not. But there is subsidized housing right now for those who are temporarily homeless due to abuse, foreclosure, loss of job or other causes. The drive to put that housing in suburbs is just class warfare. To my observation, most subsidized housing is near commercial districts where, incidentally, most jobs can be found.
We would do those folks a lot better turn if we again provided decent institutionalization and treatment instead of abandoning them out of an exaggerated and phony pretense of honoring their “freedom”. They’re not “free”. They’re enslaved by untreated mental illness or drug addiction.
Providing housing where there are jobs won’t change that. There are jobs in the cities where they camp. But it may also be noted that significant numbers of jobs are usually not found in suburban neighborhoods zoned single family. Even those residents work elsewhere.
In every city there are plenty of housing units that could be rented or purchased at very reasonable prices. But they get abandoned because there is no effective program of rehabilitation of those units.
None of this is to say that all homelessness is due to mental illness or drug use. Some is not. But there is subsidized housing right now for those who are temporarily homeless due to abuse, foreclosure, loss of job or other causes. The drive to put that housing in suburbs is just class warfare. To my observation, most subsidized housing is near commercial districts where, incidentally, most jobs can be found.
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LeafByNiggle
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If by “most” you mean 51%, you might be right. That still leaves 49% who are not drug addicts or insane. Plus that overlooks those that became drug addicts after losing their home. Don’t just blame the victim!
and where most air and noise pollution is found.
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How many of those are there?
It might be pointed out that many “homeless” people live with relatives. They’re not out on the street. For many, the condition is temporary. Here there is a Catholic charitable organization that provides shelter for vetted homeless people who are not insane or known to be drug addicted. Those stays are temporary because the people are (with help) seeking employment. When they find it, they leave fairly shortly.
I think you’re mistaking “commercial” for “industrial”. But actually a lot of industrial areas are clean. I have for some time admired some of the development on the Kansas side of Kansas City. It’s organized in large blocks. Some are residential. Some are commercial. Some are industrial. A lot of the industrial parts are unrecognizable as such. They’re well landscaped, sit on fair-sized tracts, and have a lot of screening. The design of buildings is similar to that of public buildings. The air is just as clean there as it is in the residential “blocks”.
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Is pro wrestling competitive?
Ignoring the subtext in campaign efforts does not mean that they don’t exist. You could call this cynical but the nation has seen it before in Reagan’s ‘welfare queen’ trope. And, as shown, many commentators feel it had that racial intent. So its inaccurate to say I ‘had no premise’ or that I am making stuff up. Look at the trees in the forest.
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LeafByNiggle
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How many do you need before their plight is of concern?LeafByNiggle:
How many of those are there?
It might also be pointed out and many of those imposing on their relatives might not need to impose on their relatives if there were more affordable housing, which is the whole point of the AHHF.
It is available everywhere? Is the capacity up to handling all of them?
And a lot are not clean. It is a fact that air pollution, on average, is worse around industrial areas. As for “commercial” vs “industrial”, if you are talking about high-class light office space, that is exactly where we would like to see more affordable housing, and that is exactly were we see only high-priced developments. The poor, even those who can afford a modest home or rental, are relegated to undesirable neighborhoods, far removed from good schools, good shopping, and good jobs.
Then you are admiring the work of an affirmative Kansas City Housing Authority plan for affordable housing, not the work of mindless market forces. Read about it here.
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I was talking about the way they arranged their industrial areas on the KANSAS side. Your article is about future projects of the MHDC on the Missouri side which is largely blighted. The difference as soon as you cross the line into Kansas is dramatic, except in Kansas City Kansas itself, which is also blighted. And MHDC is subsidized housing. Your article is not relevant to what I was discussing.
The newer cities, like Overland Park and Lenexa are what I was talking about. They’re in the metro area but NOT part of Kansas City Missouri.
LeafByNiggle
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Oh, well maybe you are easily impressed. Others, not so much.
Why doesn’t Overland Park have more affordable housing? Often the city won’t allow it
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It’s not just a matter of zoning. It’s also (seemingly primarily) a matter of costs. I was very surprised to read that any rentals in Overland Park are $1084.00. That’s really low for a place like that, and I have to wonder about it just a little. If the average price of a house is $320,000 landlords aren’t getting much of a deal at $1084. even for an apartment, let alone a duplex unit.
I didn’t say I was “impressed” with Overland Park generally. I just know it’s well planned and fairly upscale. The industrial areas in that part of the metro area are particularly well-designed.
Sounds like the city plan allows for subsidized housing, but the complaint is that it should allow for more than it does. Hard to know the truth of that.
I didn’t say I was “impressed” with Overland Park generally. I just know it’s well planned and fairly upscale. The industrial areas in that part of the metro area are particularly well-designed.
Sounds like the city plan allows for subsidized housing, but the complaint is that it should allow for more than it does. Hard to know the truth of that.
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