Trump tries to win over ‘Suburban Housewives’ with repeal of anti-segregation housing rule

[Sarcelle]

How do you address rich outside investors from buying most of the housing which then sits idle for the majority of the year?

Meanwhile the local population are overcrowded in multiple family housing working three to four jobs to pay the rent. A significant portion are also homeless.

This happens all the time in Hawaii. Rich people from Japan and the Mainland USA drive up the prices. How does the free market address these inequalities?

 

[JonNC]

Government housing is not the subject of this thread. This thread is about private sector housing providing an adequate mix of affordable options along with the high-end ones.

If government is telling a developer what kind of housing must be built, that’s government interference.
Local government can set safety standards, even zoning laws. Then developers can decide what to do.

Nope. Not going to go down that rabbit hole. That ship has sailed.

The fact that progressives think the constitution is a rabbit hole is not surprising. Authoritarian is in vogue.

That’s been tried. It hasn’t worked.

Yes, it does work.

 

[JonNC]

How do you address rich outside investors from buying most of the housing which then sits idle for the majority of the year?

They own the land. If they want to pay taxes with no income, that’s their choice. I think it’s stupid. I think it isn’t good stewardship.

Meanwhile the local population are overcrowded in multiple family housing working three to four jobs to pay the rent. A significant portion are also homeless.

The homeless are by and large drug addicts or mentally ill. But churches can definitely be involved in helping those who need help.

This happens all the time in Hawaii. Rich people from Japan and the Mainland USA drive up the prices. How does the free market address these inequalities?

There are lots of rich people who can afford to buy land and make it available for housing.

 

[billsherman]

Trump is spot on about AFFH. Anyone living in the suburbs, regardless of race or ethnicity, should know the plans progressives have to radically alter their communities through coercion.

I’m curious, exactly who is Trump promising to protect suburbanites from? When Trump wrote “I will preserve it, and make it even better!” who is going to protect the suburbs from, and how is he going to make them better?

 

[JonNC]

I’m curious, exactly who is Trump promising to protect suburbanites from?

General Government interference in their local government. People elect their local government officials to pass laws, protect their rights, including property rights.

When Trump wrote “I will preserve it, and make it even better!” who is going to protect the suburbs from, and how is he going to make them better?

Explained above.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Government housing is not the subject of this thread. This thread is about private sector housing providing an adequate mix of affordable options along with the high-end ones.

If government is telling a developer what kind of housing must be built, that’s government interference.

Unlike you, I do not consider all interference bad. It was government interference that ensured that nine black students could attend Little Rock Central High School in 1957.

Local government can set safety standards, even zoning laws. Then developers can decide what to do.

And without regulation, what they most want to do is grab as much land as they can for high-end development.

Nope. Not going to go down that rabbit hole. That ship has sailed.

The fact that progressives think the constitution is a rabbit hole is not surprising. Authoritarian is in vogue.

Nevertheless, it has sailed, and no court in the land would think of ruling that it is unconstitutional for government to regulate the type of housing in an area.

That’s been tried. It hasn’t worked.

Yes, it does work.

Where? Show me major city today with adequate affordable housing. Just name a city. And I don’t mean Andy Griffith’s Mayberry, or something like it. I mean a sizable city.

 

[billsherman]

General Government interference in their local government. People elect their local government officials to pass laws, protect their rights, including property rights.

Interestingly enough, he didn’t say that. He left it ambiguous. Why?

Assuming you’re right (and I don’t see any evidence that you are), why only mention protecting suburbanites? Surely people in rural and urban areas are victimized by government regulations as well, right?

Are they less worthy of Mr. Trump’s protection?

 

[JonNC]

Unlike you, I do not consider all interference bad. It was government interference that ensured that nine black students could attend Little Rock Central High School in 1957.

Actually, the constitution, you know, that rabbit hole, that ship that sailed, was being violated by the same Democrats that are looting and burning the property of inner city blacks. So Republican President Ike sent federal troops in. Meanwhile, progressive mayors are complicit in violence, just like they were in Little Rock.

And without regulation, what they most want to do is grab as much land as they can for high-end development.

And if there are people who will buy it, why is that wrong? Other people can build housing, too, for lower rent.

Where? Show me major city today with adequate affordable housing. Just name a city.

The town I live now.

 

[JonNC]

Interestingly enough, he didn’t say that. He left it ambiguous. Why?

Why not? People can read how authoritarian AHHF is.

Assuming you’re right (and I don’t see any evidence that you are), why only mention protecting suburbanites? Surely people in rural and urban areas are victimized by government regulations as well, right?

Because that’s the target of AHHF.

Are they less worthy of Mr. Trump’s protection?

Well, we can see how the progressives who run big cities do not protect their citizens. Why should suburbanites have to deal with that, too?

 

[billsherman]

Why not? People can read how authoritarian AHHF is.

Or maybe he didn’t mean what you think he did. I, for one, think (based on his long history of racially problematic statements and actions) that he really meant he intends to protect white suburbanites from non-white “invaders.”

He could easily prevent me from thinking that by saying what he actually means, not making me guess. I might guess wrong. Or you might guess wrong.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

And without regulation, what they most want to do is grab as much land as they can for high-end development.

And if there are people who will buy it, why is that wrong?

What is wrong is that millions of people who could have had a place to live around that city will have no place to live around that city.

LeafByNiggle:

Where? Show me major city today with adequate affordable housing. Just name a city.

The town I live now.

Sorry, I can’t read your mind. What town do you mean?

 

[JonNC]

Or maybe he didn’t mean what you think he did. I, for one, think (based on his long history of racially problematic statements and actions) that he really meant he intends to protect white suburbanites from non-white “invaders.”

And I think this is a hideous false accusation that lacks evidence.

He could easily prevent me from thinking that by saying what he actually means, not making me guess. I might guess wrong. Or you might guess wrong.

The eighth commandment requires us to assume his intentions are honorable. I’ve seen little of that from the left when it comes to the president.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

LeafByNiggle:

And without regulation, what they most want to do is grab as much land as they can for high-end development.

And if there are people who will buy it, why is that wrong?

What is wrong is that millions of people who could have had a place to live around that city will have no place to live around that city.

LeafByNiggle:

Where? Show me major city today with adequate affordable housing. Just name a city.

The town I live now.

Sorry, I can’t read your mind. What town do you mean?

I’m not mentioning it. I lived in two towns in Texas where affordable housing was plentiful.
I lived on the outskirts of Philadelphia where affordable housing was obtainable.
Where you don’t see affordable housing is in progressive run large cities.
So you tell me, name a large city that has been run by progressive Democrats for the last 50 years that has an abundance of affordable housing. They’ve had fifty years to make it happen.

 

[billsherman]

The eighth commandment requires us to assume his intentions are honorable. I’ve seen little of that from the left when it comes to the president.

His history is pretty awful when it comes to racism. It would be easy enough to just say what he means.

I mean, seriously, he doesn’t need you to explain what he means. Why not just be clear? There is no reason why I should have to wonder what he meant.

Some varied sources:

Trump insists on using racist language. Will that approach win him support?

At a moment the U.S. is facing crises on multiple fronts, President Trump continues to use language that sparks controversy and highlights the nation’s racial divides. He recently retweeted a video of a man chanting “white power” at a Florida retirement community and still refers to the novel...

www.pbs.org

Is Donald Trump a Racist? Here's What His Record Shows | Fortune

Trump's Full List of 'Racist' Comments

"Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?"

www.newsweek.com

Here are 10 times President Trump's comments have been called racist

Many of President Trump's comments have been aimed at those who have opposed him, such as Omarosa, while other remarks were a reaction to the news.

www.usatoday.com

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/15/891290870/president-trump-issues-divisive-statement-on-race-at-rose-garden-address

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/15/741827580/go-back-where-you-came-from-the-long-rhetorical-roots-of-trump-s-racist-tweets

 

[JonNC]

His history is pretty awful when it comes to racism.

No. It isn’t. That’s false, and it is uncharitable to spread such. Joe Biden has made two racist statements in the last few months. That’s more than Trump has made his emotive presidency.

I mean, seriously, he doesn’t need you to explain what he means. Why not just be clear?

I took the time to read up on AHHF. I know exactly what he’s talking about.

The very first quote in the Newsweek hit piece ,
“Why are we having all these people from sh**hole countries come here?” Speaks directly to the government and living conditions, not to the immutable characteristics of the residents.
Unless you want to claim they are wonderful places to live, and their people just can’t wait to move to a country that is “racist in it DNA”.

You fo on and on listing dishonest leftist sources that have spread lies all through his presidency, and it doesn’t change the facts.
They’ve lied about Russia collusion. They’ve lied about Ukraine.

go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came

Where is race mentioned?

 

[Nepperhan]

Actually, the constitution, you know, that rabbit hole, that ship that sailed, was being violated by the same Democrats that are looting and burning the property of inner city blacks.

Here we go again! You think Oval Faubus was in Chicago looting recently?

Just think: In 1924 the Democratic convention proposed platform had a plank condemning the Klan. It failed to pass by one vote. In 1960 some California Republicans wanted the GOP plank to include: “All Negroes should be shipped by to Africa”. It seems the parties had different viewpoints.

No. It isn’t. That’s false, and it is uncharitable to spread such.

Even Republicans have characterized some Trump remarks as racist. You could say the label is controversial but it clearly is not false or uncharitable.

 

[Suudy]

There is no data to support the assertion that these efforts have reduced the amount of affordable housing.

Thomas Sowell has talked extensively on this. Regarding rent control, he said here (emphasis mine):

Housing circulates among people as people circulate among housing. But housing shortages and rent control tend to freeze people where they are. It is common in rent-controlled housing for tenants to stay in the same apartment long after their children have grown up and left one or two elderly people occupying far more space than they would occupy if they had to pay the full cost in a free market.

A study in New York City found 175,000 apartments where one person occupied four or more rooms - mostly elderly people in rent-controlled apartments. A recent study in San Francisco found that nearly half the rent-controlled apartments contained only one person and more than three quarters of all rent-controlled apartments had no children.

I don’t know about government housing projects, but certainly rent control, combined with severe limitations on new construction led to a severe housing shortage, especially in urban areas such as the Bay Area. He notes here (emphasis mine):

But why were housing prices going up so fast, in the first place? A number of studies of communities across the United States and overseas turned up the same conclusion: Government restrictions on building.

Or how about some numbers, from AEI:

The comparisons above highlight the simple economic logic that if you restrict the supply of new housing units (especially multifamily homes, duplexes, and large apartment buildings) in states like California with onerous building, land use, and zoning regulations, those restrictions are guaranteed to result in higher housing costs, higher apartment rents, and ultimately a greater homeless population.

A couple of excellent, well balanced interviews on EconTalk:

Jenny Schuetz on Land Regulation and the Housing Market - Econlib

Jenny Schuetz of the Brookings Institution talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about zoning, boarding houses, real estate development, and the housing market.

www.econtalk.org

Alain Bertaud on Cities, Planning, and Order Without Design - Econlib

Urbanist and author Alain Bertaud of NYU talks about his book Order without Design with EconTalk host Russ Roberts. Bertaud explores the role of zoning and planning alongside the emergent factors that affect the growth of cities. He emphasizes the importance of cities as places for people to...

www.econtalk.org

 

[Ridgerunner]

Government housing is not the subject of this thread. This thread is about private sector housing providing an adequate mix of affordable options along with the high-end ones.

I think it is, though. “Affordable housing” means government subsidized housing as a practical matter. Construction costs and land costs especially are so expensive in desirable locations (or even not-so-desirable locations) that “market rent” is not “affordable”. I think we’re talking pipe dream here unless it’s government subsidized housing in suburban subdivisions. But I think subsidized housing in a planned suburban subdivision will mean a low-end subdivision or none at all.

I’m curious, exactly who is Trump promising to protect suburbanites from?

My guess is that it’s subsidized housing suburbanites will fear most. Secondarily, any kind of multifamily that isn’t well spaced and visually separated from the single family housing.

 

[Ridgerunner]

His history is pretty awful when it comes to racism. It would be easy enough to just say what he means.

I mean, seriously, he doesn’t need you to explain what he means. Why not just be clear? There is no reason why I should have to wonder what he meant.

I looked at a few of your articles. The remarks are “interpreted” as racist by people who are looking to see racism. What’s missing from all of these judgments of Trump and other accusations of racism are the thousands of people of different races and ethnicities he has hired who have not come forward to call him a “racist”. If they had the goods, they would do it, and Bezos would have found them a long time ago and put them endlessly on prime time.

This whole “Trump is a racist” thing is a fabrication invented by those who have made it their business to inflame racial tensions in this country. It’s a miserable thing to do.

 

[Nepperhan]

My guess is that it’s subsidized housing suburbanites will fear most. Secondarily, any kind of multifamily that isn’t well spaced and visually separated from the single family housing.

“President Trump vowed on Wednesday to protect suburbanites from low-income housing being built in their neighborhoods, making an appeal to white suburban voters by trying to stir up racist fears about affordable housing and the people who live there.”

Trump Plays on Racist Fears of Terrorized Suburbs to Court White Voters (Published 2020)

President Trump painted a false picture of suburbs under siege, saying he was protecting them from low-income housing, as he seeks to win over white voters who were key to his 2016 victory.

www.nytimes.com

" More than that, These Times have reinforced the power of racist appeals in American life. Take, for instance, the president’s new push to generate a racial panic in The Suburbs now that he’s hemorrhaging support there. Trump has been banging on about how Joe Biden is a puppet of the socialist left, a theory related to his hints that Biden has lost a step."

The President Just Went Beyond a Dogwhistle With His Suburbs Doomsday Talk

In response to Joe Biden's plan to address housing inequity, Donald Trump attempts to stoke a racial panic.

www.esquire.com

" A week after his administration overturned an Obama-era housing rule intended to fight racial segregation, President Donald Trump boasted about the rollback in a series of tweets and remarks, stirring racist fears in an attempt to court white conservative suburban voters months out from the election."

Trump stokes racist fears after revoking Obama-era housing rule intended to fight segregation

President Donald Trump is attacking low-income housing one week after his administration rescinded the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule made under Obama.

abcnews.go.com

"In tweets, campaign ads and new policies, Trump is trying to win over suburbanites by promising to protect their “beautiful” neighborhoods from the racial unrest that has gripped some U.S. cities this summer. He’s sent federal agents to stem violence in cities, warned of a way of life being “obliterated,” and raised the prospect of falling property values.

It’s a strategy with deep roots in presidential politics, racist overtones and some record of success. But even some GOP strategists and Republican voters note it doesn’t account for the rapid demographic changes in the suburbs and may be misreading the top concerns of voters he’s trying to retain. "

https://www.ksnt.com/news/national/trump-plays-on-fears-in-play-for-the-suburbs/