Trump Uses Mount Rushmore Speech to Deliver Divisive Culture War Message

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JonNC said:
Can’t we just watch a sports event without seeing a bunch of rich, privileged athletes virtue signal by kneeling during the national anthem?
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Its nice to see the rich and privileged have some social awareness and attempt to make community improvements. You prefer mindless automatons? Would you go to a R. Kelly concert?
 
I would rather the overpaid court jesters shut up and entertain us.
 
JonNC said:
It is divisive, not unifying. It is not an improvement. It is intentionally provocative
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… and maybe that’s just what this society needs. That sort of mirrors the bywords of the late John Lewis, God rest his soul.
 
Nepperhan said:
and maybe that’s just what this society needs. That sort of mirrors the bywords of the late John Lewis, God rest his soul.
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I see. Trump tells the truth, but that’s not unifying, so he shouldn’t say it.
Professional athletes, who benefit more from our great American economic and free society that almost anyone, can be divisive and provocative.
Just remarkable.
 
JonNC said:
I see. Trump tells the truth, but that’s not unifying, so he shouldn’t say it.
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Trump actually told his opinions, not the truth. And what he said was not helpful to the deep divisions troubling this country, Remark on that.
 
Nepperhan said:
Trump actually told his opinions, not the truth. And what he said was not helpful to the deep divisions troubling this country, Remark on that.
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What was not helpful was the intentional misrepresentation of what he said by the DNC media.
The only thing that can unify us is a recognition that the basic founding principles of the republic, the things that made this the greatest country in the history of the world, are that individual rights are antecedent to government and take primacy over government, that the main purpose of government is to protect individual rights, and that these basic principles must be extended to every citizen.
The failure to do this is not the fault of the principles, but of individuals unwilling to live by them.

If we can’t agree on this, then I don’t see how unity is possible.
 
JonNC said:
What was not helpful was the intentional misrepresentation of what he said by the DNC media.
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I don’t know if this is true or not. But as a responsible spokesman and statesman, Trump should have given a different talk. Most folks can understand that point.

You basically say that the only thing that can unify us ‘is for folks to agree with me’. That’s not unification of diverse peoples.
 
Nepperhan said:
You basically say that the only thing that can unify us ‘is for folks to agree with me’. That’s not unification of diverse peoples.
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No. It has nothing to do with what I say. The point is that unity in the United States will only happen under the founding principles, as stated above.
Do we, as a nation, believe that
•all of us are created equal, regardless of any immutable characteristic.
• that we must all have the same individual rights that exist outside the existence of government, many of which are enumerated in the constitution and Declaration.
•government exists primarily to protect the rights of the individual.
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Where do you stand on these foundational points?

If the issue around George Floyd is that his right to life was taken from him because he was black, then we must all agree that American blacks ought to hold the exact same rights as all other Americans.

If, on the other hand, one believes that the founding principles of the republic, as stated in the Declaration of Independence should be torn down, then we are not going to be unified.
 
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WingedHussar said:
Then maybe “diverse peoples” should not be unified.
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The question is not whether we should be unified, but whether we can be. A divide exists, and has been worsened by BLM, Antifa, et al. We should not underestimate the extent or severity of the separation. We are seeing a clash of differing world views, and it is not immediately obvious that this chasm can be bridged.
 
I say it is common sense. If my roommate likes smoking weed, rap music, and stays up until 3 in the morning, perhaps it is time we find other roommates.
 
My mind is drifting this direction. And I’ve been watching culture clashes in this country for many years. This concerns me more than my past observations.
 
The Evil One is having a hay day currently…this should concern all people of faith.
 
Ender said:
The question is not whether we should be unified, but whether we can be. A divide exists, and has been worsened by BLM, Antifa, et al.
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Intentionally worsened.
Ender said:
We should not underestimate the extent or severity of the separation. We are seeing a clash of differing world views, and it is not immediately obvious that this chasm can be bridged.
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The key, in my view, is making sure we do not allow them to frame the nature of the division, which, with the help of the leftist media, they have been successful in doing. That is, a division by tribes.
That is not the nature Of the divide. The nature of the divide is individual rights versus government power. The left clearly favors government power.
 
Would you say this division extends to the vast majority of the population, @JonNC or is it a minority? I ‘m asking for your opinion because I don’t know.I was there in US November for the last time and my perception may be wrong now. ( or always for the case).I ve had the impression most people are not engaged in divisions in general. The atmosphere didn’t seem to reflect it at least… Aware yes, engaged, not so much.
I don’t know .
 
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graciew said:
Would you say this division extends to the vast majority of the population or is it a loud minority? I ‘m asking because I don’t know.
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My view? The division is a minority of Americans. Most Americans, to one degree or another, support the basic founding principles of the American experiment.
 
Thank you, Jon.
Yes, it is your view I was asking for. Thanks.
 
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