Trump v. Clinton matchup has Catholic leaders scrambling

[Little_Sheep]

Yeah, but calling us who vote third party as effectively voting for Hillary and embracing the culture of death as a result is not discussion. It’s shaming which is a bullying tactic.

“Culture of death” is rhetorical. It’s entire raison d’être is to shame people.

 

[Little_Sheep]

So you say. Convince me, I don’t find that point just to start at all compelling.

Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I believe you know this, but I’m okay if you don’t. Most people, Hillary included, who are pro-choice work tirelessly to make abortion as rare as can be.

Luckily, people are doing just that in the face of such US v. THEM rhetoric. Abortions (and teen pregnancies) are down substantively these days. There’s no need for us to fight each other when we could work together. It’s just silly.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I believe you know this, but I’m okay if you don’t. Most people, Hillary included, who are pro-choice work tirelessly to make abortion as rare as can be.

Luckily, people are doing just that in the face of such US v. THEM rhetoric. Abortions (and teen pregnancies) are down substantively these days. There’s no need for us to fight each other when we could work together. It’s just silly.

What has Hillary done tirelessly to make abortion rare. Thats rhetoric. I don’t see any effort attributed directly to her. I see a slight change due to the pro life effort.

 

[estesbob]

Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I believe you know this, but I’m okay if you don’t. Most people, Hillary included, who are pro-choice work tirelessly to make abortion as rare as can be.

Luckily, people are doing just that in the face of such US v. THEM rhetoric. Abortions (and teen pregnancies) are down substantively these days. There’s no need for us to fight each other when we could work together. It’s just silly.

Of course it does. Hillary Clinton has done absolutely nothing to make abortion “rare”. It is hard to work together when people who claim to be pro-life keep empowering politicians who have promised to keep it legal.

And yes abortion are down in spite of politicians like Hillary Clinton and her Catholic supporters . They are down because of the tireless work of those of us in the pro-life ministry. we run the CPCs, we empower politicians who pass laws to limit abortions -all of this despite the united opposition of the Democrat party.

 

[TMC]

Can you point out someone who said a Catholic has to vote republican?

Have you been following the thread? You know that there are posters that claim that do anything but voting Republican (even not voting or voting for a 3d party) is “supporting evil.”

 

[estesbob]

Have you been following the thread? You know that there are posters that claim that do anything but voting Republican (even not voting or voting for a 3d party) is “supporting evil.”

Not a single person has stated a Catholic has to vote Republican. Not one. And yes-voting for a pro-abortion candidate regardless of their party affiliation is supporting evil-how could it not be?

 

[TMC]

Not a single person has stated a Catholic has to vote Republican. Not one. And yes-voting for a pro-abortion candidate regardless of their party affiliation is supporting evil-how could it not be?

OK, so I guess we agree that nothing in Church teaching requires a Catholic to vote Republican, and that a Catholic can in good conscience decide to vote for a Democrat, for a third party, or not to vote at all. I am glad we cleared that up.

 

[Convert_in_99]

Not a single person has stated a Catholic has to vote Republican. Not one. And yes-voting for a pro-abortion candidate regardless of their party affiliation is supporting evil-how could it not be?

Trump is at least pro-abortion in some instances. We all agreed on this. So it is also supporting evil to vote for Trump.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Please don’t take this as an insult…

But, if you remember from Civics class, voting is a privilege. You have obviously never lived (don’t worry, neither have I) in a society that denies you the fundamental liberty to have your voice heard. We have all seen movies about the challenges encountered by Black Americans during the Civil Rights movement and their efforts to have the ability to vote. Hence, you should be compelled to vote.

In regards to moral issue:
The reality is that as Christians, we have done a very poor job of propagating our values. The Pro-Life movement is on more unstable ground than when Roe V. Wade was introduce more than forty three years ago! Please don’t blame that one on “liberals”. Since that time, an entire amendment has been introduced, look at how our society embraces homosexuality, a topic that was not even discussed forty three years ago.

The problem I see with single issue voters is that they are not even effective in executing their one stance. Yet, they blame everyone else for the outcome that is not in their favor. We need to remember that we are not only voting for one item during an election.

No insult taken. I do realize how fortunate we are to be able to vote. But I think we over look all the more powerful things we can do, especially at our local grass roots level.

And I agree we ought not be single issue voters, especially when so many other issues are not established law but changeable policy.

 

[Personanongrata]

I cannot morally vote for Hillary Clinton based on her moral stances, with her being pro-choice. Feel free to disagree, but I don’t think any Catholic can morally vote for her, with her pro-abortion views.

With Trump being the alternative, I can easily and morally vote for HRC.

 

[estesbob]

OK, so I guess we agree that nothing in Church teaching requires a Catholic to vote Republican, and that a Catholic can in good conscience decide to vote for a Democrat, for a third party, or not to vote at all. I am glad we cleared that up.

Correct. You cant vote for A pro abortion candidate regardless of their party affiliation

 

[estesbob]

Trump is at least pro-abortion in some instances. We all agreed on this. So it is also supporting evil to vote for Trump.

The church Specifically allows us to vote for A pro abortion candidate if their opponent is more pro abortion than they In US politics we generally face a situation where one candidate who supports abortion only in cases of rape and incest and another who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion Demand We can vote for the former but not for the latter

 

[Convert_in_99]

Correct. You cant vote for A pro abortion candidate regardless of their party affiliation

And yet you are voting for Trump whom we have agreed is pro-choice in at least some instances.

That’s why I am not voting for him even if that aides in Hillary’s election. When Hillary wins (which the statistics unfortunately predict) you will have still have voted for (at least in some instances) pro-choice candidate, I will have voted for an (in all instances) pro-life candidate.

 

[Convert_in_99]

The church Specifically allows us to vote for A pro abortion candidate if their opponent is more pro abortion than they In US politics we generally face a situation where one candidate who supports abortion only in cases of rape and incest and another who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion Demand We can vote for the former but not for the latter

Yes, but she says we don’t have to go against our consciences in doing so. We may also morally vote for a pro-life third party candidate or abstain from voting all together if we feel that is the best option.

 

[Crossbones]

Correct. You cant vote for A pro abortion candidate regardless of their party affiliation

It seems like an important time to add in these comments from Bishop Kicanas so newcomers and lurkers do not have to depend on a personal interpretation of Church teaching

INTERVIEWER: If I’m hearing you correctly, you’re saying that for a Catholic who wants to approach his or her vote in three weeks with the mind of the church, it’s not a slam-dunk which way that vote should go. Is that right?

BISHOP KICANAS: Yes, and I think that’s what “Faithful Citizenship” is saying. As a disciple, as a citizen, you have to weigh issues, you have to consider the character of candidates, what you think they will be able to do in terms of affecting the society and the culture in which we live

 

[Michael_Mayo]

And yet you are voting for Trump whom we have agreed is pro-choice in at least some instances.

That’s why I am not voting for him even if that aides in Hillary’s election. When Hillary wins (which the statistics unfortunately predict) you will have still have voted for (at least in some instances) pro-choice candidate, I will have voted for an (in all instances) pro-life candidate.

If it is Hillary and Trump, Hillary will indeed win mainly because most people realize how terribly I’ll qualified Trump is and what an embarrassment he would be. He would undoubtedly have us in a war with no allies. His own party leaders disdain him.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Troll Alert!!!

usuncut.com/politics/clinton-super-pac-busted/

BUSTED: Pro-Clinton Super PAC Caught Spending $1 Million on Social Media Trolls

The “Barrier Breakers” will also publicly thank Hillary Clinton’s superdelegates and fans for supporting her campaign. The paid trolls are professional communicators, coming from public relations and media backgrounds.

“The task force staff’s backgrounds are as diverse as the community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar to those with which the task force will organize,” CTR stated.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Renaissance Technologies, a hedge fund founded by billionaire James Simons, donated over $13 million to Sen. Ted Cruz’s failed presidential campaign, through President Bob Mercer. For a guy who’s supposed to be pretty smart with his money, the ROI on that one has got to sting. Nevertheless, now that Mr. Cruz is out of the race, Mr. Simons’ Rennaissance Technologies has begun pouring millions of dollars into Hillary Clinton‘s campaign, as the hedge fund has donated over $2 million to Ms. Clinton so far this election cycle. Euclidean Capital—also owned by Mr. Simons—has given the Clinton campaign over $7 million in contributions, and the figures are likely to increase as Ms. Clinton slowly transitions her attention from Democratic Primary opponent Bernie Sanders to the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Donald Trump. Renaissance Technologies was called out by Senator John McCain in 2014 for evading nearly $6 billion in taxes by disguising day-to-day investments as long term investments, and in 2015, Bloomberg ran an article describing how the firm lobbied the U.S. Labor Department for special tax evading privileges.

Mr. Simons isn’t the only wealthy donor who appears to be connected to this money shift. A number of deep-pocketed elite have given up trying to buy off Republican politicians in order to support Ms. Clinton—the only establishment-friendly candidate of either party remaining in the race. In response, the Clinton campaign has assembled a group dubbed “Republicans for Hillary” to reach wealthy GOP donors. Ms Clinton not only shares over 60 of the same donors with the former Republican candidate Jeb Bush but is also making new efforts to court additional Bush family donors, according to a recent Politico report.

observer.com/2016/05/wealthy-cruz-donor-pours-millions-into-clinton-campaign/

 

[estesbob]

Yes, but she says we don’t have to go against our consciences in doing so. We may also morally vote for a pro-life third party candidate or abstain from voting all together if we feel that is the best option.

Yes you may And when Hillary Clinton appoints 4 new Liberal Justices to the USSC please don’t complain to those of us who made the tough decision to vote for a flawed candidate in an attempt to stop this.

 

[Convert_in_99]

Yes you may And when Hillary Clinton appoints 4 new Liberal Justices to the USSC please don’t complain to those of us who made the tough decision to vote for a flawed candidate in an attempt to stop this.

Okay, deal!

Now glad that’s over lets call a truce. We are both on the side of Life just differently.