Trump v GOP

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LeafByNiggle said:
OK, I’ll just say it. Acting is America’s best interest is not foolish. Your assertion otherwise is simply unsupportable, since you refuse to support it.

Trump is the one running for President. How can that be seen as “unselfish”?
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What evidence do you have of this?
 
I think the GOP needs a person like Trump to go against Hillary Clinton, who is notorious for running the most deceitful dirty campaigns.

Trump will be her match, no two ways about it.

Romney, the nice guy, would be eaten alive by Hillary and the corrupt DNC.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I think the GOP needs a person like Trump to go against Hillary Clinton, who is notorious for running the most deceitful dirty campaigns.

Trump will be her match, no two ways about it.

Romney, the nice guy, would be eaten alive by Hillary and the corrupt DNC.

Jim
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It isn’t winning that would concern me regarding Trump. It’s what he will support if elected.
 
Acting is America’s best interest is not foolish.
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Hey Leaf I think you should check out your own grammar btw, since you want to play English major and jr therapist and wear multiple hats apparently.

So what was your point, mine is Romney and his “opinion” was “foolishness”. 🤷
 
gracepoole said:
It isn’t winning that would concern me regarding Trump. It’s what he will support if elected.
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I think he’d be better than Hillary or Cruz, by a long shot.

I think his bark is bigger than his bite.

Either way, I think we’ll end up with Hillary in the WH, as the female and minority votes will take here there.

Then, two years of gridlock, but lots of regulations for feminists.

We’ll see the military branches come under command of female officers.

We’ll see executive orders like never before.

Most of all, scandal after scandal between herself and her husband, throughout her presidency.

Its a sad state for America, either way.

Jim
 
A good speech … and a little more interesting – IMHO anyways – than some of the other news stories about which posters have started threads recently, e.g.
  • “Trump dominates with huge turnouts, wide base of support”
  • “Melania Trump: I don’t approve of Donald’s language”
  • “Jeff Sessions endorses Donald Trump in major blow to Ted Cruz”
  • “Donald Trump Wins Nevada Caucuses, Collecting Third Straight Victory”
  • “Influential Christian newspaper urges evangelicals to dump ‘misogynist’ Trump”
  • “Political science professor forecasts Trump as general election winner”
  • “Melania Trump: I followed the law as immigrant”
  • “Donald Trump: We’re going to ‘open up’ libel laws”
  • “Donald Trump muses about Marco Rubio’s eligibility to run for president”
  • “Donald Trump hires Mike Huckabee’s daughter as senior adviser”
  • “Donald Trump to Foreign Workers for Florida Club: You’re Hired”
Not that it’s a competition of starting interesting threads, :D, I’m just sharing my opinion … not to mention anticipating that some Trump supporters are going to say that Romney’s speech isn’t newsworthy or whatever. 😦
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I can understand self-interest, because that drives most people, so it makes sense. But since the comment was made that Romney committed political suicide by his remarks, it is hard to see them as self-interest. As for sociopathy, that is just too far out to bother commenting on!
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Most politicians are sociopaths. Power attracts the worst sorts of people.
Then he would have made quite a different speech. This speech was not optimal for that goal.
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Disagree. RNC insiders do not like Trump. Showing his bona-fides as an anti-Trump is his entrance into infiltrating the convention. Note he said for people in Florida to vote Rubio, Ohio people to vote Kasich. He flatly said he wanted a brokered convention.
How does Trump ruin Romney’s chances more than, say, Rubio? It just does not make sense.
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The direction Trump would take the Republican Part is opposite of the direction Mitt wants to take it. That would make him completely unfeasible in the future if Trump wins.
His opinion certainly does matter. There would not be the news coverage and the discussion frenzy, and even the reference in last night’s debate if you or I had made the comment instead of Romney. His opinion clearly matters a lot to many people.
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There’s nearly unanimous opinion, even among Cruz and Rubio supporters, that this helped Trump more than hurt him. The Romney attack played right into what Trump has been saying about the media and donor class his entire campaign. The benefit it gave him was spotlight.
You can call Romney delusional, and that is OK. But when I suggest Trump’s supporters have been deluded by Trump, that is a terrible insult?
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If he thinks his speech had any direct impact on the election other than a cringe inducing sideshow, he is delusional. If he has a longer game plan, such as the brokered convention, he’s playing a more three dimensional game. I actually don’t think he’s delusional, and I see options A and B as much more likely.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I think he’d be better than Hillary or Cruz, by a long shot.

I think his bark is bigger than his bite.
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Yet this assumption has been made about political candidates in the past who ultimately proved to be disastrous. I’m really not sure I want a president who “barks” about committing war crimes, even if he doesn’t plan to bite. And of course, how could we know whether he plans to do so? Ultimately I’m extremely uncomfortable assuming that Trump isn’t the candidate he purports to be – and that takes into account several different versions of himself that he’s offered so far.
 
I’m curious as to who has more severely damaged his political career: Christie by supporting Trump or Romney by coming out against him?
 
There’s nearly unanimous opinion, even among Cruz and Rubio
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Kasich also, in fact all but the Rinos. That said no-one is delusional as its a unfounded label and utter nonsense. We do have lots of “foolish” comments and “opinion” which by large is simply not verified. Further we need to allow candidates to change their mind as their campaign honestly evolves. We allowed Obama to change his mind like daily with red lines and war. 🤷 They all refine their position as has Hillary with the emails and wall street. Sheez you need a score card to follow her ever changing daily position. Super predators not super predators. Which is it? 🤷
 
SWolf said:
Most politicians are sociopaths. Power attracts the worst sorts of people.
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I think the founding fathers would disagree with you. Power does tend to corrupt, but politics also attracts altruists. It is up to us as voters to try to tell them apart.
Disagree. RNC insiders do not like Trump. Showing his bona-fides as an anti-Trump is his entrance into infiltrating the convention. Note he said for people in Florida to vote Rubio, Ohio people to vote Kasich. He flatly said he wanted a brokered convention.
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That may be the only way to stop Trump. It does not prove that Romney thinks he can be that candidate. With winner-take-all primaries like in Florida, and the rational vote splintered among several reasonable candidates, that allows Trump to win all the delegates with only a purality of votes. So given the unusual situation, the strategy Romney proposed is actually quite sensible.
There’s nearly unanimous opinion, even among Cruz and Rubio supporters, that this helped Trump more than hurt him. The Romney attack played right into what Trump has been saying about the media and donor class his entire campaign. The benefit it gave him was spotlight.
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But if no one calls Trump on his excesses, people will get the mistaken impression Trump must be OK. Trump certainly has maneuvered things so that he wins no matter what others do. That’s how he got to be a billionaire.
If he thinks his speech had any direct impact on the election other than a cringe inducing sideshow, he is delusional.
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Only time will tell.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Further we need to allow candidates to change their mind as their campaign honestly evolves. We allowed Obama to change his mind like daily with red lines and war. 🤷
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As we did with “flip-flopper” Kerry? I don’t have a problem with some candidate views evolving – but on certain moral issues, it seems a bit too convenient to adopt new views mid-campaign.
 
The one point Trump made that impressed me is, his willingness to be flexible with people, and negotiate with others.

He was right in stating that the reason congress isn’t getting anything done, is because of the likes of Cruz and Rubio, who are so rigid, they can’t compromise with democrats on issues.

Its why we have gridlock and why it will continue through Hillary’s first two years as president.

Jim
 
P.S. Admittedly this might be stretching the limits of how interesting Romney is even to me, but for anyone near a TV I just heard that he’s going to be interviewed on FoxNews shortly.

No pressure. :whistle: 😃
 
gracepoole said:
As we did with “flip-flopper” Kerry? I don’t have a problem with some candidate views evolving – but on certain moral issues, it seems a bit too convenient to adopt new views mid-campaign.
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I think its common as we seen over the years with abortion, war and other major issues. I think when they regress from moral to questionable then its alarming. Trump seems to have a habit of doing this, imho. I’m sure there’s a million excuses as to why etc.
 
That may be the only way to stop Trump. It does not prove that Romney thinks he can be that candidate. With winner-take-all primaries like in Florida, and the rational vote splintered among several reasonable candidates, that allows Trump to win all the delegates with only a purality of votes. So given the unusual situation, the strategy Romney proposed is actually quite sensible.
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It does not prove it, but it is a very reasonable explanation. Much more reasonable than simply “love of country”, in my opinion, as it pertains to his direct self-interest.

Remember, Romney was originally planning on running for President this cycle, but decided against it.
 
SWolf said:
It does not prove it, but it is a very reasonable explanation. Much more reasonable than simply “love of country”, in my opinion, as it pertains to his direct self-interest.

Remember, Romney was originally planning on running for President this cycle, but decided against it.
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You know, I agree Romney was way out of line, but there is a real point in there. We really don’t want to end up in the same situation as with Obama in 2008 when we all of a sudden discover we really don’t know much about the candidate whom was elected. Then we hear about all the baggage. These issues as with taxes and understanding clearly what he is saying in relation to killing families and torture of Isis along with abortion, are all points he definitely needs to clarify.
 
He’s going to make us stronger (Repubs) because he is allowing divergent common sense ideas. He is making the umbrella larger… The ideas in the congress and house now have not worked… He is shaking up the good ole boys… can the repubs take the shake up? Yes, open up and listen to more of the people…
 
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