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Well argued. We just tried the Senator who never ran anything route. Hasn’t worked out too well
Not true–not even close to true. Obama has been one of the most successful Presidents in history. He has executed his agenda almost flawlessly.

It would thrill me if we could get another junior Senator who implemented a conservative agenda as well as Obama has implemented the left’s agenda.
 
The Presidency is not a company. Plenty of Senators have managed to be Presidents.

Trump has zero experience in government and zero foreign policy knowledge.

Foreign policy is NOT a business deal. He doesn’t even know what the nuclear triad is.

He was commenting about renegotiating our understandings with Japan and S. korea in a time when China is saber rattling.

Peope’s positions matter and the language matter too. Trump is using divisive language that is appealing to the white supremicists. He talks about punching protestors and makes fun of the disabled?

And we think this is someone who should be President. I have no words.

I have basically decided that I will most likely vote for Hilary over Trump. And I am absolutely FURIOUS that it is getting to this point. All because so many Republicans (and Catholics) seem to be very deceived about the type of man Trump is.

As much as I hate the idea of Hilary at the very least she does not use the kind of divisive language Trump uses and has some real world understanding of how the world works.

As for protecting religious freedom a man who openly talks about targeting one religion is not going to protect religious freedom. Precedents like banning Muslims will and could be used against us.

I refuse to let Donald Trump and his hatred be the voice of the Conservative movement for a temporary win. I refuse. Enough is enough.

And I don’t want to hear how can I has a Pro life. The idea of being put in this choice between a fascist and a pro choice politician. Well I was put in this position by the folks who are voting Trump. I refuse to leave common sense out the door and vote for anyone who says they are pro life. This isn’t the image the pro life movement needs. Pro life should be more than just about babies anyways.

I have held my nose and voted for many Republicans over the issue . But the buck stops at the type of language Donald Trump uses. At the end of the day abortion clinics are closing way down anyways. Under Obama-which goes to show that the main fight on abortion is not in the Supreme Court but in the hearts and minds of the American people.

The President of the United States has far more power in foreign affairs and I am very concerned about the type of Damage Donald Trump could do.
 
…I have basically decided that I will most likely vote for Hilary over Trump. And I am absolutely FURIOUS that it is getting to this point. All because so many Republicans (and Catholics) seem to be very deceived about the type of man Trump is…
I am mystified by the amount of support Donald Trump is getting. I keep in mind though that it is still a minority of people. With that said, it is disturbing that 1/3 of Republicans appear to find him to be an acceptable candidate.
…I refuse to let Donald Trump and his hatred be the voice of the Conservative movement for a temporary win. I refuse. Enough is enough…
He isn’t the voice of the conservative movement. He’s the voice of the anti-establishment movement. My personal opinion is that people are giving up on conservatism.
…I have held my nose and voted for many Republicans over the issue . But the buck stops at the type of language Donald Trump uses. At the end of the day abortion clinics are closing way down anyways. Under Obama-which goes to show that the main fight on abortion is not in the Supreme Court but in the hearts and minds of the American people.
I likewise have held my nose and voted for many Republicans, and as expected, the results have been mixed. It’s the mixed results of Republicans that has hurt the conservative movement. What is frustrating for me is that liberals have become more liberal and have gotten the results they have desired, whereas conservatives have failed to get desired results because of the resistance of non-conservatives within the Republican Party. Sadly, Trump isn’t conservative - not even close to being one.
The President of the United States has far more power in foreign affairs and I am very concerned about the type of Damage Donald Trump could do.
Due to this power from a foreign policy standpoint, one could argue Hilary could be worse. Benghazi comes to mind.
 
It is disturbing that Trump is able to sweep a third of the electorate away.

However, it is no more disturbing than the amount of people who still chose to support Hillary Clinton, or even Bernie Sanders.

American foreign policy has already been damaged, even beyond repair in the short term. Eight years of Obama has left nothing much left to be damaged.
 
Trump seems to be scandal proof for some odd reason.
This will not last forever. I think it will go the other way quite sharply. I don’t know about the timing on that, but it is a pretty sure bet. I just hope it happens before he gets in the White House. But I can see it happening there too. It happened to Obama, beyond his core supporters. With Trump you have so much more scandal material for satire, a wild (liberal) public record. Obama was just a conservative-hating socialist community organizer from Chicago.

I am as amused by Trump and this whole campaign as terrified. You can’t help but laugh. Once the mockery gets traction it could get really ugly, frankly. You live by the sword you die by the sword…

I also wondered about public figures who state their support for Trump (Laura Ingraham, Chris Christie, Scott Brown, etc.) and then want to back out - change their minds (David Duke, some anti-Muslim comment, etc.). Can you imagine one of them calling Trump to tell him that? Trump would declare war, destroy their careers. This is the man we could well elect to the White House. Will he act any different with anyone else he has a conflict with? The temperament is the real problem, not the policies. I can grit my teeth and handle Rockefeller; but Donald Trump is no Nelson Rockefeller.
 
The people want Trump or Hillary–one of those will occupy the White House in 2017. My guess is it will be Hillary, but no matter what, that is what we are down to.

I wonder how those 3-5,000,000 non-voting Republicans (2012 election) feel about not voting now…there lashing out in 2012 helped lead to a Romney loss and it brought us four more years of the Democrats controlling the WH. Now, we are at the brink of another four years of a Democrat in the WH, or the Democrat-lite Trump in the WH. Yet, had Romney won, we’d be likely fighting to get him a second term and we would not have to worry so much about the Supreme Court. Voting is a choice, and so is not voting–both decisions sway elections to one side or the other.

In the end, I am remained convinced we are getting what we deserve, not what we want.
 
It is disturbing that Trump is able to sweep a third of the electorate away.

However, it is no more disturbing than the amount of people who still chose to support Hillary Clinton, or even Bernie Sanders.

American foreign policy has already been damaged, even beyond repair in the short term. Eight years of Obama has left nothing much left to be damaged.
Well, in all fairness to my countrymen and women - Trump has swept away approximately a third of the Republican primary voters in four states. Primaries only attract the base voters, about 20-30% of the party - the ones that REALLY care. Trump is getting a third of them. And he is drawing in new support from the poor, uneducated rural areas (very popular in Appalachia, for example). These people have never voted in their lives; they are not committed, engaged Republicans; I don’t know what percentage of Trump’s support is new voters vs. standing GOP members.
 
Hopefully, Cruz will get the nomination before then.
I like Cruz stand on the constitution and think he is a very good attorney. I do not think he will get the nomination because he can’t win the general election. If all the Republicans voted for him, and we know they won’t, he still will not pull in the independents that any Republican would need to win. His religious take on so much will kill him with those who are not religious or those who are atheists and agnostics. I think that is sad, but I see it that way.
 
I think he’ll take Texas from Trump, but I don’t think Cruz will get the nomination. We should be able to gauge this more after Super Tuesday, and especially after March 15th. Right now, I suppose Cruz has a better chance at a brokered convention than Rubio does.
Don’t think so. Cruz has no friends in the Congress and the powers that be will not allow him to get the nomination. His views, while I agree with most of them, are too conservative for the power brokers in DC.
 
TRUMP: Well, I have to look at the group. I mean, I don’t know what group you’re talking about.
You wouldn’t want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about. I would have to look. If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them. And, certainly, I would disavow if I thought there was something wrong.
TAPPER: The Ku Klux Klan?
TRUMP: But you may have groups in there that are totally fine, and it would be very unfair. So, give me a list of the groups, and I will let you know.
TAPPER: OK. I mean, I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but…
TRUMP: I don’t know any – honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him.
realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/28/cnns_jake_tapper_to_trump_why_wont_you_say_you_dont_want_support_from_kkk.html

Yeah…there might be some KKK groups that are totally fine. :rolleyes:

And I find it hard to believe that he doesn’t know anything about David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
 
Don’t think so. Cruz has no friends in the Congress and the powers that be will not allow him to get the nomination. His views, while I agree with most of them, are too conservative for the power brokers in DC.
Our only chance is a Rubio/Cruz alliance, which I think would naturally form based on the fact that both are authentic conservatives, though I agree Cruz is to the right of Rubio, but nowhere near as much as is commonly portrayed; just a tiny bit really. I also agree Cruz would lose in the general due to how far right he is and he also has very high negativity ratings. Again, Rubio and Cruz getting together (which I think may be in the works unofficially anyway - against Trump) is the way to go. But frankly, even that may not be enough to stop Trump.
 
Our only chance is a Rubio/Cruz alliance, which I think would naturally form based on the fact that both are authentic conservatives, though I agree Cruz is to the right of Rubio, but nowhere near as much as is commonly portrayed; just a tiny bit really. I also agree Cruz would lose in the general due to how far right he is and he also has very high negativity ratings. Again, Rubio and Cruz getting together (which I think may be in the works unofficially anyway - against Trump) is the way to go. But frankly, even that may not be enough to stop Trump.
politico.com/story/2016/02/rubio-cruz-trent-franks-219755
 
Thanks, so I am not alone. Or Rubio/Cruz could run as independents against Trump/Duke, GOP, 😃 - Hillary/Sanders for the Dems.

Or if there is a brokered convention, Cruz delegates go to Rubio, or vice versa. (But I think Rubio is better in front; likability, electability. Cruz adds strong conservative substance to the ticket.)

I would not rule this alliance out, but you would think they would be on it by now. I wondered if the two are in communication; I am almost positive they are talking offline about pushing back on Trump, hopefully with Kasich too. I don’t know enough about the primary delegate counts and super Tuesday to know if anything can realistically come of the idea though. It just seems to me like Trump is on his way and there is not enough time.
 
Thanks, so I am not alone. Or Rubio/Cruz could run as independents against Trump/Duke, GOP, 😃 - Hillary/Sanders for the Dems.

Or if there is a brokered convention, Cruz delegates go to Rubio, or vice versa. (But I think Rubio is better in front; likability, electability. Cruz adds strong conservative substance to the ticket.)

I would not rule this alliance out, but you would think they would be on it by now. I wondered if the two are in communication; I am almost positive they are talking offline about pushing back on Trump, hopefully with Kasich too. I don’t know enough about the primary delegate counts and super Tuesday to know if anything can realistically come of the idea though. It just seems to me like Trump is on his way and there is not enough time.
We are living in unique times when our real choices will come to down Hillary and Trump. Yet, that does appear to be where we are heading.

Rubio and Cruz are too stubborn to join hands, and if they were, they should have that a couple week ago before the SC primary.

Kasich, imo, is running for the VP spot.

IMO, Republicans no longer care about values. If they did, they’d elect people with core values that matched their own (of course maybe they are, which also sadly tells us a lot).
 
We are living in unique times when our real choices will come to down Hillary and Trump. Yet, that does appear to be where we are heading.

Rubio and Cruz are too stubborn to join hands, and if they were, they should have that a couple week ago before the SC primary.

Kasich, imo, is running for the VP spot.
I think they are duking it out - see which does better on super Tuesday. IF there is enough time (they will know after Tuesday’s delegate distribution if they can wait for Mar 15) maybe they will unite. If Cruz wins Texas and does well across the board he is in the driver’s seat negotiating with Rubio; Rubio no doubt definitely needs something to take to Cruz to justify being the one who goes on / takes the top spot in the team. I cannot believe this is not being talked about; they are stubborn but not stupid.
 
I think they are duking it out - see which does better on super Tuesday. IF there is enough time (they will know after Tuesday’s delegate distribution if they can wait for Mar 15) maybe they will unite. If Cruz wins Texas and does well across the board he is in the driver’s seat negotiating with Rubio; Rubio no doubt definitely needs something to take to Cruz to justify being the one who goes on / takes the top spot in the team. I cannot believe this is not being talked about; they are stubborn but not stupid.
We must remember this is not the fault of the candidates–we the people have voted for them, or not.
 
It’s very disturbing how little Trump knows of these things. He’s either ignorant or intentionally misleading people. Either option is disturbing.
He seems not to be knowledgeable enough for the job he’s seeking. That bit about taxing A/C’s made in Mexico if Carrier relocates there, for example. How can he do that as long as NAFTA remains the law?

Did anybody ever believe he could make Mexico pay for his wall? Did he?

I hate to say it, but he’s making the Democrats look better each day he is in the campaign.

ICXC NIKA
 
We must remember this is not the fault of the candidates–we the people have voted for them, or not.
Agreed - and I do think the problem is that Rubio doesn’t have the clout (the votes, wins) to get Cruz to agree to drop out; why should Cruz? I think everyone believes in the party that Rubio seriously has a much better shot at winning the general than Cruz. That is surely the point of contention, why no agreement has happened. Perhaps this can go on for a while, if they have agreed to share delegates down the road. It will depend on percentages; if they can cut into the Trump vote by exposing him for what he is. Or keep it at 30-40ish percent. Could be some long term strategy.
 
Rubio and Cruz are too stubborn to join hands, and if they were, they should have that a couple week ago before the SC primary.
How can they join hands? They are competing for the same slot.

Neither can agree to run as the other’s #2. A Presidential ticket with **2 **Spanish names on it will never fly in this country.

ICXC NIKA
 
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