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Not everyone votes for the party. Some of us vote for people. Yes, there is a pro-abortion candidate or two running for president. I do not think a pro-life candidate will be nominated. Donald Trump is anti-abortion. for now, but I would not describe him as pro-life.
Are not most nominees captives of their party? Trump may prove to be an exception as he will do as he darn well pleases and denigrate anyone who opposes him. He has already threatened the Speaker. He is the one who needs a civics lesson (do they even teach that in our “progressive” schools today?
 
You uhhh, conveniently left out that foreign policy (a major lacking of mr. drumpf) is the purview of the executive.
What have any of the other candidates of either party done to demonstrate competence in foreign policy? Given Trump’s non-trivial foreign business ventures, it’s probably reasonable to assume that he’s more qualified than any of the other candidates to effectively manage foreign policy. He’s certainly had more success than Clinton, and significantly more experience than the junior Senator from one of the smallest, and least diverse states of the Union.
Oh yeah, and that over half of the executive branch is active and reserve military. They’re not really hired…as we pretty much take all healthy recruits.
Have you ever tried to enlist in the military? They don’t just take “all healthy recruits”. Most people going in the military have at least some college, and just about every NCO has an Associates degree or better, with many Senior NCO’s having a post-graduate degree. The idea that anybody who can fog a mirror can enlist is a slander, but it is emblematic of the contempt that most leftist hold our service members in.
As it relates to the executive spending the most, well yeah, they have the DoD, which is a money blackhole.
DoD accounts for roughly 16% of all federal spending, or roughly 25% of what is spent on Social Security, Medicare, and other federal entitlements.
 
You uhhh, conveniently left out that foreign policy (a major lacking of mr. drumpf) is the purview of the executive.

Oh yeah, and that over half of the executive branch is active and reserve military. They’re not really hired…as we pretty much take all healthy recruits.

As it relates to the executive spending the most, well yeah, they have the DoD, which is a money blackhole.
Foreign Policy is a red herring.
  • Trump doesn’t want to invade other countries, but he wants the Military to be prepared, common sense approach.
  • Trump well understands the business motivations behind outsourcing, inversions and the options to repatriate foreign earnings and attract foreign investment that creates jobs…
  • Trump wants regional powers to take greater responsibility in resolving regional conflicts, a solid strategy since we aren’t the world’s daddy. Take North Korea, only China has the influence to make a difference without conflict. Resolving issues in the Middle East requires Syria’s neighbors to engage much deeper.
  • Hillary’s FP record is abysmal, she supported war with Iraq and the disintegration of Libya, leading to current chaos.
So what if half the employment figure is military related, it still needs to be effectively managed. Our military will be shocked to learn they don’t actually have jobs, since they were *recruited *and not hired.

There is an enormous opportunity to increase the efficacy in how the Govt spends money. Obama didn’t touch this aspect of his job, I think Trump will.
 
What have any of the other candidates of either party done to demonstrate competence in foreign policy? Given Drumpf’s non-trivial foreign business ventures, it’s probably reasonable to assume that he’s more qualified than any of the other candidates to effectively manage foreign policy. He’s certainly had more success than Clinton, and significantly more experience than the junior Senator from one of the smallest, and least diverse states of the Union.
Since when do international business ventures equate to foreign policy? As to an examples of foreign policy experience? Rubio served on the foreign relations and intelligence committees. Clinton was Secretary of State.
Have you ever tried to enlist in the military? They don’t just take “all healthy recruits”. Most people going in the military have at least some college, and just about every NCO has an Associates degree or better, with many Senior NCO’s having a post-graduate degree. The idea that anybody who can fog a mirror can enlist is a slander, but it is emblematic of the contempt that most leftist hold our service members in.
My comment was neither slanderous, or contemptuous :rolleyes:, so spare me the self-righteous chest thumping. I bear zero ill will to those who serve our country, but I balk at the idea that respect should be automatically granted to people based on that fact alone. Plenty of soldiers are well-deserving of respect and admiration, but then again, some aren’t. You also seem very focused on officers and NCOs. I agree they have a higher education requirement, that’s obvious. However, for basic entrance into the service, a high school diploma (or in some cases a GED) is all that’s needed
DoD accounts for roughly 16% of all federal spending, or roughly 25% of what is spent on Social Security, Medicare, and other federal entitlements.
My comment was on executive branch spending, correct? As far as I know you’re pulling these numbers from the total federal budget…so it really has no bearing on what I originally said.
 
As Catholics were also suppose to help those in need, the poor, the sick. Overall the democrat those that. Republican helps the rich and filters from there. Aren’t we to help first the one who needs help? Not the one whose stuffed in cash?
As a Catholic and registered Republican, I resent that. I don’t help the one who is stuffed in cash!!! I help God’s people who need help and I’m very generous… You have a wrong idea of Republicans…
 
Foreign Policy is a red herring.
  • Drumpf doesn’t want to invade other countries, but he wants the Military to be prepared, common sense approach.
  • Drumpf well understands the business motivations behind outsourcing, inversions and the options to repatriate foreign earnings and attract foreign investment that creates jobs…
  • Drumpf wants regional powers to take greater responsibility in resolving regional conflicts, a solid strategy since we aren’t the world’s daddy. Take North Korea, only China has the influence to make a difference without conflict. Resolving issues in the Middle East requires Syria’s neighbors to engage much deeper.
  • Hillary’s FP record is abysmal, she supported war with Iraq and the disintegration of Libya, leading to current chaos.
So what if half the employment figure is military related, it still needs to be effectively managed. Our military will be shocked to learn they don’t actually have jobs, since they were *recruited *and not hired.

There is an enormous opportunity to increase the efficacy in how the Govt spends money. Obama didn’t touch this aspect of his job, I think Drumpf will.
Foreign policy is a red herring???

Trump:

1.) His ISIS plan is “bomb the **** out of them” – Seems like he put a lot of though into that
2.) Claims he “watches all the shows” to get foreign policy advice
3.) When pressed, lied about consulting with John Bolton about foreign policy
4.) Claims Mexico will pay for a wall – pretty sure getting this done via tariffs would start a trade war
5.) Doesn’t care about Ukraine joining NATO
6.) Wants to violate NAFTA by placing a tax on imports from mexico by American companies
7.) Lied about the percentage of Egyptians that would like to break their treaty with Israel

Come on man:rolleyes:
 
Foreign Policy is a red herring.
  • Trump doesn’t want to invade other countries, but he wants the Military to be prepared, common sense approach.
  • Trump well understands the business motivations behind outsourcing, inversions and the options to repatriate foreign earnings and attract foreign investment that creates jobs…
  • Trump wants regional powers to take greater responsibility in resolving regional conflicts, a solid strategy since we aren’t the world’s daddy. Take North Korea, only China has the influence to make a difference without conflict. Resolving issues in the Middle East requires Syria’s neighbors to engage much deeper.
  • Hillary’s FP record is abysmal, she supported war with Iraq and the disintegration of Libya, leading to current chaos.
So what if half the employment figure is military related, it still needs to be effectively managed. Our military will be shocked to learn they don’t actually have jobs, since they were *recruited *and not hired.

There is an enormous opportunity to increase the efficacy in how the Govt spends money. Obama didn’t touch this aspect of his job, I think Trump will.
I honestly don’t know where Trump stands on any issue, foreign policy included, except his desire to be elected President of the U.S. On many of the major issues, he has changed his position dramatically to appeal to GOP voters, and when challenged in interviews, he often changes or softens his position. On the subject of abortion rights, for example, he has flip-flopped completely. I also don’t know whether his crude bluster is an act to appeal to certain voters or sincere. I understand why Catholic voters might not want to see Hillary Clinton elected, but I can’t understand why they would support Donald Trump. He seems uniquely unqualified for the presidency.
 
When I took Civics, I learned what a democratic republic was and what fascism was. Here are Merriam-Webster’s online definitions, for those that might need a refresher.
Well when I took civics, the teacher looked at me like I was crazy and told me I was in wood shop. That was when I realized civics wasn’t taught that semester.

Seriously, it was on half a year long.
 
Trump wants regional powers to take greater responsibility in resolving regional conflicts, a solid strategy since we aren’t the world’s daddy. Take North Korea, only China has the influence to make a difference without conflict. Resolving issues in the Middle East requires Syria’s neighbors to engage much deeper.
Trump might want other countries to do all sorts of things, but that hardly means they’re going to do them. He certainly shouldn’t hold his breath waiting for other countries to take greater responsibility.
 
As a Catholic and registered Republican, I resent that. I don’t help the one who is stuffed in cash!!! I help God’s people who need help and I’m very generous… You have a wrong idea of Republicans…
I have never been a Republican. I was born and raised Democrat and worked for the party for years. I had to leave when I came to the realization that one could not simultaneously be a dedicated Catholic and a dedicated Democrat. So now I’m just myself, without a party.

Nevertheless, it has long seemed to me the Repub party is always potentially splintered, with a lot of internal discord and occasional shifts. I think one could safely say its “party regulars” tend to be ideological purists who nevertheless are so afraid of looking bad that they are often supine in the face of Democrat aggressiveness.

The Dem party used to be factional too, but it isn’t anymore. It is now about abortion and nothing else. But it has to put on a better face for campaigns.

Trump is not my favorite Repub candidate, and I admit my favorite is very unlikely to prevail in the primary. But I will have to say Trump reminds me a lot of Truman, who my parents loved; rough spoken, aggressive, says what he thinks whether it’s sufficiently “urbane” or “mannerly” or not, has a lot of appeal to working people.

The ideological purists don’t like him, and I can see why. He probably doesn’t know what the Austrian School of economics is, and doesn’t care. But, strange to tell, even Arthur Laffer likes him. Why? Because he has actually been in the real world and made his way in it, and is of a practical turn of mind rather than an ideological turn of mind.

Those to whom “proper manners” mean a lot don’t like him either. He doesn’t meet their expectations of politically correct speech. As much as so many of us decry political correctness, we’re so bathed in it that it has seeped into our pores and we often sound just like the people who most make fools and “etiquette marionettes” of us.

So now Trump has our attention, so what’s he going to tell us? More importantly, what’s he going to do?
 
More to the point, he advocated committing a war crime and taking out the families of ISIS. This is one of several reasons why I do not consider the man to be prolife.
msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-isis-you-have-take-out-their-families
I will add to this. First, I don’t believe he is anti-abortion. His praise of planned parenthood to me is very troublesome.

Then this:

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LUFFTON, S.C. — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump offered an unequivocal endorsement of torture as an interrogation tactic on Wednesday and promised to authorize its use by U.S. intelligence personnel if elected.
“Don’t tell me it doesn’t work,” he told about 500 people on Wednesday, to cheers. “Torture works, OK folks? I think we should go much stronger than waterboarding, that’s the way I feel. They’re chopping off heads, believe me, we should go much stronger.”
Mr. Trump’s comments, delivered at a retirement community three days before the South Carolina Republican primary, are an escalation from his previous position, expressed in a debate earlier this month, that he would reauthorize waterboarding and “bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding”.
blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/02/17/donald-trump-calls-for-use-of-torture-resumption-of-waterboarding/

The above quote is also troublesome. Troublesome is probably too weak a word on my part. Can’t think of an acceptable word…:o

I can’t see how I can vote for him. 😦
 
LOL, comments in-line.
Foreign policy is a red herring???

Trump:
1.) His ISIS plan is “bomb the **** out of them” – Seems like he put a lot of though into that.
*** Yea, and Obama, Putin, and the other coalition countries are not already bombing the heck out of ISIS**?
2.) Claims he “watches all the shows” to get foreign policy advice
*** Doesn’t Obama find out about all his scandals from CNN, and he has staff? Nothing wrong with Trump listening to the expert talking heads, he’ll add advisers as the race progresses.**
3.) When pressed, lied about consulting with John Bolton about foreign policy
*** ****Your complaint sounds petty, but I don’t know the details and how it is relevant. John has expertise.
4.) Claims Mexico will pay for a wall – pretty sure getting this done via tariffs would start a trade war
*** Naw, since Mexico knows what’s in their best interest. Perhaps they will settle for enforcing their own immigration and border laws.

5.) Doesn’t care about Ukraine joining NATO
*** That’s the smart response. Being either very pro or anti on the topic only raises further issues that can’t be addressed well by a candidate. Why stir the pot? **
6.) Wants to violate NAFTA by placing a tax on imports from mexico by American companies
*** Have you never been part of a negotiation?
**7.) Lied about the percentage of Egyptians that would like to break their treaty with Israel
*** LOL, what are you talking about? sounds like a very petty criticism about referencing a survey? **

Come on man:rolleyes:
 
Well, given the results of the poll,I really hope that GOP primary get out and vote!

Because they keep saying the country is at stake, but most people can’t even be bothered to vote because??? :confused:
 
Democrats are now poised to exploit a fortuitous intersection of forces: an improving economy with low unemployment; a Democratic president with a nearly 50 percent approval rating; a Supreme Court battle in which Republicans are energizing liberal voters with vows of obstruction; and now, what is likely to be a relatively smooth nomination process that will give Mrs. Clinton a chance to bring together the party’s disparate strands.
nytimes.com/2016/03/02/us/politics/super-tuesday-primaries-presidential-election.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region&_r=1

All of this while the Republican party is coming unglued.
 
What is most disturbing are his threats to those who oppose him.
 
Since when do international business ventures equate to foreign policy? As to an examples of foreign policy experience? Rubio served on the foreign relations and intelligence committees. Clinton was Secretary of State.
Negotiating international business ventures requires the same skill set as negotiating international trade agreements. As to Clinton’s experience, I’m not sure how being a failure at Secretary of State is a qualification for advancement. Regarding Rubio, who I like, he’s a first term Senator who’s spent most of his Senate career running for President. Not much experience there.
My comment was neither slanderous, or contemptuous :rolleyes:, so spare me the self-righteous chest thumping. I bear zero ill will to those who serve our country, but I balk at the idea that respect should be automatically granted to people based on that fact alone. Plenty of soldiers are well-deserving of respect and admiration, but then again, some aren’t. You also seem very focused on officers and NCOs. I agree they have a higher education requirement, that’s obvious. However, for basic entrance into the service, a high school diploma (or in some cases a GED) is all that’s needed
Actually, I didn’t mention officers at all, I only referred to enlisted ranks. When I went to basic training, the vast majority of my company had either some college, or military training via JROTC before enlisting. Several had Bachelor’s degrees. And no, a high school degree or equivalent is rarely sufficient to be able to enlist in the military. You must also perform well on the military aptitude tests (ASVAB), which is not a particularly easy battery of tests, as well as being able to pass criminal background and drug tests. The notion that just about anybody can enlist in the military is seriously outdated.
My comment was on executive branch spending, correct? As far as I know you’re pulling these numbers from the total federal budget…so it really has no bearing on what I originally said.
Maybe you’re unfamiliar with how the US government works. The executive branch is responsible for spending almost all the money in the federal budget. Congress has very little spending authority.
 
Negotiating international business ventures requires the same skill set as negotiating international trade agreements. As to Clinton’s experience, I’m not sure how being a failure at Secretary of State is a qualification for advancement. Regarding Rubio, who I like, he’s a first term Senator who’s spent most of his Senate career running for President. Not much experience there.

Actually, I didn’t mention officers at all, I only referred to enlisted ranks. When I went to basic training, the vast majority of my company had either some college, or military training via JROTC before enlisting. Several had Bachelor’s degrees. And no, a high school degree or equivalent is rarely sufficient to be able to enlist in the military. You must also perform well on the military aptitude tests (ASVAB), which is not a particularly easy battery of tests, as well as being able to pass criminal background and drug tests. The notion that just about anybody can enlist in the military is seriously outdated.

Maybe you’re unfamiliar with how the US government works. The executive branch is responsible for spending almost all the money in the federal budget. Congress has very little spending authority.
LOL Trumps “business plan” is to make Mexico pay for the wall by taxing imports. You know those imports that American’s buy and that the American public will pay for with increased prices.

Sounds like a genius plan to me :rolleyes:
 
I will add to this. First, I don’t believe he is anti-abortion. His praise of planned parenthood to me is very troublesome.

Then this:

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blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/02/17/donald-trump-calls-for-use-of-torture-resumption-of-waterboarding/

The above quote is also troublesome. Troublesome is probably too weak a word on my part. Can’t think of an acceptable word…:o

I can’t see how I can vote for him. 😦
Yes, we should go further with torture? Just with suspected terrorists? What about other suspects as well. Is that the America we want to be? Isn’t it bad enough we allow abortion?
 
Sounds more like a fantasy of the NY Times, which I regard as out of touch with the average voter and a provider of false hope to liberals.

The fact is young people are not excited about HRC and minorities dislike Bernie Sander’s white northeast idealism, a concept they keep getting short-changed on.

And I very much doubt that McConnell not caving thus on a Supreme Court nominee is going to energize the base.

It’s not really even news anymore, so I think this is another example of Krugman and company trying to make the news to throw a life-line to the DNC.

The fact is the economy is going nowhere, tens of millions aren’t even looking for work, young people graduating college are soured on false promises.

As far as Obama being near 50% approval, what’s his job approval rating? Also, if he’s so great, then I expect to see him openly campaign in swing states for Senators and the DNC nominee.

But something tells me that won’t happen. 😉
 
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