Trump v GOP

[Cider]

If enough people think like you we’d better get ready for President Hillary. Do you think any of the Dems are going to stay home because they don’t agree with all her ideas? It’s going to be a fight to get someone other than her in the White House and while I don’t really like Trump either, at least we have more of a chance of getting things turned around in our country. If you liked Obama’s policies you’ll be happy cause we’ll have a lot more of the same under Hillary’s watch.

LOL yes, some of them actually do. Some of them vote 3rd party also. Dems also use the exact same blackmail method being used here “staying home is a vote for the Republican”.

Besides, you don’t need us, because you’ve got all the new Republican’s that joined the party for Trump, remember?

 

[Path_Finder]

I doubt if Romney said to write-in his name, I did not hear the speech, I’ve read a few basic stories on what he said.

It appears the 2nd place and 3rd place candidates defeat Trump together.

Cruz’s position on immigration is a bit too harsh for me but otherwise, I think somewhere, votes can be consolidated behind one candidate.

 

[simple_soul]

I refuse to listen to his speech, did he actually say he was going to run as a write in? He won’t even get 1% of the vote if that’s the case. Heck he couldn’t have won the nomination if he ran this year in the Republican primary. He’s done. I didn’t want him last time and I don’t want him now.

Wow you sound just like Trump! So quick to cut him down!

and no he did not say he would run and specifically clarified at the beginning that he was not announcing his run.

 

[simple_soul]

I doubt if Romney said to write-in his name, I did not hear the speech, I’ve read a few basic stories on what he said.

It appears the 2nd place and 3rd place candidates defeat Trump together.

Cruz’s position on immigration is a bit too harsh for me but otherwise, I think somewhere, votes can be consolidated behind one candidate.

I didn’t say he did. I was just wondering if it could/would work.

 

[Songcatcher]

It was a good speech. I watched the whole thing. He didn’t announce his candidacy, suggest people write in his name or endorse anyone. He just laid out all the reasons he feels that Donald Trump would be a terrible president.

Here is some of what he said:

On Trump’s character: “Dishonesty is Trump’s hallmark: He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong, he spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong, he saw no such thing. He imagined it. His is not the temperament of a stable, thoughtful leader.”

On Trump’s wealth: “I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn’t give much if anything to the disabled and to our veterans. … And I predict that despite his promise to do so, first made over a year ago, he will never ever release his tax returns. Never. Not the returns under audit, not even the returns that are no longer being audited. He has too much to hide.”

On Trump’s morality: “Mr. Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes. He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants, he calls for the use of torture and for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. He cheers assaults on protesters. He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit first amendment freedom of the press. This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.”

He seems to be pushing for a brokered convention. Now that the primaries are shifting to “winner-take-all” states, he suggests that voters in each state look to see which of the three remaining candidates has the best chance of beating Trump in their state and then voting for that candidate. That way, for example, if Kasich wins Ohio and Rubio wins Florida, Trump will get zero delegates from those states.

 

[irishpatrick]

Romney said he is not running and he is not endorsing any candidate. He made that quite clear at the beginning of his speech.

Romney is not running for anything, he is not gaining anything by doing the speech and in many ways, he is risking a lot of his own reputation by doing so. He has literally nothing to gain by making the speech. People should ask themselves, why would Romney do this? He is NOT part of the **mythical GOP establishment **as so many like to talk about–he knows that he has no chance at ever being President, and he (like Trump) is quite rich. Many people like to laud the fact that Trump is his own man and he is beholding to no one because of his wealth–well that applies to Romney too. He has no horse in this race, other than he cares about the USA and about the conservative movement.

So–why would he make the speech? Could it be that he does love the USA and he genuinely believes Trump will lose to Hillary, and that even if he wins, he will be a terrible President? Could he actually have a real and genuine concern for the country–a place in which he has been blessed deeply and a place in which he wants to defend?

You may not like Romney, and like Trump, you might be tempted to call him a loser and a host of other things–but if you are honest with yourself, you must ask (and answer) the simple question: Since there is no financial or political gain for Romney in making this speech, why would he make it?

 

[Cider]

Wow you sound just like Trump! So quick to cut him down!

and no he did not say he would run and specifically clarified at the beginning that he was not announcing his run.

LOL this isn’t my first election. Romney is not new on the political field.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Nothing but hypocrisy, who did Romney endorse? Anyone but Trump after he rolls out an indictment sheet on anothers behavior while ignoring his own. Nothing but hypocrisy. Be it you would have voted for Trump or not the hypocrisy of these people is astonishing and as embarrassing as Clinton. Wall Street must have called Mitt up, what a joke.

 

[Path_Finder]

I guess, if there is no clear candidate with a majority by convention time, a candidate could be drafted such as someone like Romney.

I think the Democrats drafted Adlai Stevenson at least once in the conventions of the 1950s.

So, that perhaps can be kept in mind.

 

[simple_soul]

Romney said he is not running and he is not endorsing any candidate. He made that quite clear at the beginning of his speech.

Romney is not running for anything, he is not gaining anything by doing the speech and in many ways, he is risking a lot of his own reputation by doing so. He has literally nothing to gain by making the speech. People should ask themselves, why would Romney do this? He is NOT part of the **mythical GOP establishment **as so many like to talk about–he knows that he has no chance at ever being President, and he (like Trump) is quite rich. Many people like to laud the fact that Trump is his own man and he is beholding to no one because of his wealth–well that applies to Romney too. He has no horse in this race, other than he cares about the USA and about the conservative movement.

So–why would he make the speech? Could it be that he does love the USA and he genuinely believes Trump will lose to Hillary, and that even if he wins, he will be a terrible President? Could he actually have a real and genuine concern for the country–a place in which he has been blessed deeply and a place in which he wants to defend?

You may not like Romney, and like Trump, you might be tempted to call him a loser and a host of other things–but if you are honest with yourself, you must ask (and answer) the simple question: Since there is no financial or political gain for Romney in making this speech, why would he make it?

I’m not sure why he made the speech but I’m thankful he did.
My concern it is that it is becoming evident that Trump will win even against Clinton.

 

[irishpatrick]

Nothing but hypocrisy, who did Romney endorse? Anyone but Trump after he rolls out an indictment sheet on anothers behavior while ignoring his own. Nothing but hypocrisy. Be it you would have voted for Trump or not the hypocrisy of these people is astonishing and as embarrassing as Clinton. Wall Street must have called Mitt up, what a joke.

Romney is not running for anything, so no hypocrisy exists. He is a plain citizen, with an opinion. If the likes of Rush Limbaugh can spew his opinions, and if the likes of all the talking heads on TV can spew there views, why can’t Romney?

 

[irishpatrick]

I’m not sure why he made the speech but I’m thankful he did.
My concern it is that it is becoming evident that Trump will win even against Clinton.

I have an opposite fear. I think Trump has divided the GOP soo much, that we will see 2012 repeated, with 5-10,000,000 not voting because they will not vote for Trump.

I think Romney made the speech because he is actually worried about the country. He really gains nothing by making the speech, and risks his own reputation for doing so. He knows there is not enough support for him to ever win a national election.

 

[simple_soul]

Nothing but hypocrisy, who did Romney endorse? Anyone but Trump after he rolls out an indictment sheet on anothers behavior while ignoring his own. Nothing but hypocrisy. Be it you would have voted for Trump or not the hypocrisy of these people is astonishing and as embarrassing as Clinton. Wall Street must have called Mitt up, what a joke.

I am kind of surprised that you are so quick to trash Romney with Wall Street calling him up when Trumps is Wall Street personified.

 

[Songcatcher]

Oh, he also called Mr. Trump “a phony, a fraud, a misogynist and a bully who threatens America’s future,” and said, “I believe with all my heart and soul that we face another time for choosing, one that will have profound consequences for the Republican Party and more importantly, for the country. His domestic policies would lead to recession. His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president. And his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.”

The “time for choosing” comment was a tip of the hat to Ronald Reagan’s famous 1964 speech where he outlined all the reasons the Republican party should reject Goldwater as their nominee.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I refuse to listen to his speech, did he actually say he was going to run as a write in? He won’t even get 1% of the vote if that’s the case. Heck he couldn’t have won the nomination if he ran this year in the Republican primary. He’s done. I didn’t want him last time and I don’t want him now.

Someday, someone will surely carve this into the tombstone of the Republican party as we now know it, or at least include it in a history of “Whigs, Establishment Republicans and other defunct political groups”.

Romney didn’t come up with this all by himself. It seems inescapable to me that he was put up to this by establishment Repubs, though he might believe it all himself.

Possibly they have put a bullet between their teeth and now want Cruz to get the nomination, as much as they hate him. But they have not sunk Trump’s ship though they have surely sunk Rubio’s. Whether he is a party to this or not, people are going to think Rubio is. He’s surely finished now, if he wasn’t before. Maybe he’s now looking so bad in Florida that even he knows he’s a goner and had nothing left to lose.

Maybe trying to put Clinton in the White House is okay with the Repub leaders. Maybe losing the senate is ok with them too. They might succeed only in the second.

I personally think the Dems will love this. Some minority of Repubs will too. But this is going to cause a complete reconfiguration of the Repub party, and not along establishment lines, or it could even cause a real third party.

 

[Theo520]

Win/Lose in 2012, Romney was the de-facto head of the GOP until the next Primary is completed. I’m very disappointed in Mitt for taking a 3yr vacation, he abdicated his mantle to lead.

Regarding Romney as a viable write-in candidate, he shrank the Republican party while Trump is expanding the base. He might give Hillary a win though if he tries.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Romney is not running for anything, so no hypocrisy exists. He is a plain citizen, with an opinion. If the likes of Rush Limbaugh can spew his opinions, and if the likes of all the talking heads on TV can spew there views, why can’t Romney?

Romney spoke specifically for the GOP. Not as a concerned citizen and he’s a hypocrite. If you can’t see that there;s not a thing I have to discuss with you. That was a GOP joke a day late and a dollar short. They should be ashamed of themselves after that abomination. It was no different than the Trump charade. If fact he may even think he can swoop in at a brokered convention which is a pipe dream and lose “another:” election.

 

[irishpatrick]

Someday, someone will surely carve this into the tombstone of the Republican party as we now know it, or at least include it in a history of “Whigs, Establishment Republicans and other defunct political groups”.

Romney didn’t come up with this all by himself. It seems inescapable to me that he was put up to this by establishment Repubs, though he might believe it all himself.

Possibly they have put a bullet between their teeth and now want Cruz to get the nomination, as much as they hate him. But they have not sunk Trump’s ship though they have surely sunk Rubio’s. Whether he is a party to this or not, people are going to think Rubio is. He’s surely finished now, if he wasn’t before. Maybe he’s now looking so bad in Florida that even he knows he’s a goner and had nothing left to lose.

Maybe trying to put Clinton in the White House is okay with the Repub leaders. Maybe losing the senate is ok with them too. They might succeed only in the second.

I personally think the Dems will love this. Some minority of Repubs will too. But this is going to cause a complete reconfiguration of the Repub party, and not along establishment lines, or it could even cause a real third party.

There is NO mythical establishment. There are just Republicans who do not agree with what’s going on with the Trump surge and those people have every right to do what they can to elect someone else. That is really all that is happening.

 

[meltzerboy]

Answer evasion.

I’ve been taught by masterful politicians.

 

[irishpatrick]

One thing I will say from my own perspective. No candidate today has the ability to present a mature and calm demeanor as Romney did during his speech. Despite his not being a viable candidate now, or really ever, the man has a strong, mature, and authoritative presence–way above the many school yard tactics of Trump, Cruz and Rubio.