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irishpatrick said:
There is NO mythical establishment. There are just Republicans who do not agree with what’s going on with the Trump surge and those people have every right to do what they can to elect someone else. That is really all that is happening.
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Apparently your not on the GOP mailing list. 🤷 But I assure you there is a GOP establishment which Rubio has been there candidate for weeks now. Are you remotely serious? It was anyone but Trump and Cruz btw, and how foolish do they look today.
 
Path_Finder said:
I guess, if there is no clear candidate with a majority by convention time, a candidate could be drafted such as someone like Romney.

I think the Democrats drafted Adlai Stevenson at least once in the conventions of the 1950s.

So, that perhaps can be kept in mind.
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From what I remember about Gearge Washington he was nominated without politisizing, if there is such a word, himself. Can we still do that in this Country?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Apparently your not on the GOP mailing list. 🤷 But I assure you there is a GOP establishment which Rubio has been there candidate for weeks now. Are you remotely serious? It was anyone but Trump and Cruz btw, and how foolish do they look today.
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No need to assure of something that is a mythical construct in angry people’s minds. Yes, there are people running the RNC, and yes they don’t like Trump, and yes many millions of other Republicans do not like Trump–but that does equate to some fictional group that is pulling secret levers in the middle of dark caves while James Bond seeks to destroy them. Puleeeeeze. The people running the RNC are people just like you and me and they simply think Trump should not be President. They have made mistakes along the road, and in many ways they helped make Trump the firebrand he is–but they are not people hiding in caves and in the shadows–they are real people who care about and love this country as we all do.

Trump has tapped into the anger people hold and he has given that a target by alluding to the big, bad, evil Republican establishment—oooh better watch out, Doctor Evil might be right around the corner.
 
irishpatrick said:
No need to assure of something that is a mythical construct in angry people’s minds. Yes, there are people running the RNC, and yes they don’t like Trump, and yes many millions of other Republicans do not like Trump–but that does equate to some fictional group that is pulling secret levers in the middle of dark caves while James Bond seeks to destroy them. Puleeeeeze. The people running the RNC are people just like you and me and they simply think Trump should not be President. They have made mistakes along the road, and in many ways they helped make Trump the firebrand he is–but they are not people hiding in caves and in the shadows–they are real people who care about and love this country as we all do.
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Believe as you wish I am on their mailing list. As I said your not.
Yes, there are people running the RNC, and yes they don’t like Trump,
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And they don’t like Cruz either? Right :rolleyes: There;s nothing for us to discuss, believe the fairy tales as you wish. You have nothing but a rant like Romney, spare me your nonsense.
 
Cider said:
I refuse to listen to his speech, did he actually say he was going to run as a write in? He won’t even get 1% of the vote if that’s the case. Heck he couldn’t have won the nomination if he ran this year in the Republican primary. He’s done. I didn’t want him last time and I don’t want him now.
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We would have been much better off if he had been elected.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Romney spoke specifically for the GOP. Not as a concerned citizen and he’s a hypocrite. If you can’t see that there;s not a thing I have to discuss with you. That was a GOP joke a day late and a dollar short. They should be ashamed of themselves after that abomination. It was no different than the Trump charade. If fact he may even think he can swoop in at a brokered convention which is a pipe dream and lose “another:” election. :rolleyes:
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Gary, I don’t believe Romney spoke for the Republican Party at all. If he did, and if they actually wanted him too, I am more inclined to believe it is more because Trump is exposing them for who they really are and they fear that more than anything else.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Apparently your not on the GOP mailing list. 🤷 But I assure you there is a GOP establishment which Rubio has been there candidate for weeks now. Are you remotely serious? It was anyone but Trump and Cruz btw, and how foolish do they look today.
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Largely agree, these “Republican Foreign Policy advisers” just came out against Trump: uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-trump-foreignpolicy-idUKKCN0W507S

I’d think it could have been a bigger story. The party could, as Lindsay Graham said, get behind Cruz though, the establishment does not care for Cruz either.

The problem is Rubio doesn’t really look like he is going to dominate the polls and Saturday are Kansas, Nebraska, Kentucky I think and other states.

But to an extent, Cruz does have a chance whether he can be reined in or not.

This is all pretty interesting, a real civil war within the party we are seeing before our eyes, it is historic.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Believe as you wish I am on their mailing list. As I said your not.

And they don’t like Cruz either? Right :rolleyes: There;s nothing for us to discuss, believe the fairy tales as you wish. You have nothing but a rant like Romney, spare me your nonsense.
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And you know what is delivered to my mailbox?

There is no dark, secret boogeyman who is out there trying to rip down everything we stand for. People often need to create evil entities when none exist.

I don’t think the RNC likes Cruz. I think they like Rubio. But, so what? They don’t have a right to like who they want? This is no longer ALSO their country because they work for the RNC? Most citizens of this country, at least those who care, do have an opinion. The President chimed in and he isn’t running for anything.

Now, if people stopped the nonsense of bashing the mythical “establishment,” and instead directed their anger toward those running the RNC–that would be something I would understand.
 
Path_Finder said:
Largely agree, these “Republican Foreign Policy advisers” just came out against Trump: uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-trump-foreignpolicy-idUKKCN0W507S

I’d think it could have been a bigger story. The party could, as Lindsay Graham said, get behind Cruz though, the establishment does not care for Cruz either.

The problem is Rubio doesn’t really look like he is going to dominate the polls and Saturday are Kansas, Nebraska, Kentucky I think and other states.

But to an extent, Cruz does have a chance whether he can be reined in or not.

This is all pretty interesting, a real civil war within the party we are seeing before our eyes, it is historic.
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And their stupidity could very easily cost them “another” election. Thats how foolish their arrogance is and while undermining anyone who doesn’t agree with them like Trump and Cruz who together won 10 of 11 states. You can’t make this up, Cruz is the only one who has a chance. The idea for sure isn’t Cruz its a brokered convention and thats nothing to do with “we the people”.
 
irishpatrick said:
One thing I will say from my own perspective. No candidate today has the ability to present a mature and calm demeanor as Romney did during his speech. Despite his not being a viable candidate now, or really ever, the man has a strong, mature, and authoritative presence–way above the many school yard tactics of Trump, Cruz and Rubio.
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That much I will give Romney: he certainly looks like a leader and someone capable of being a strong, effective president.
 
meltzerboy said:
Forget about Mitt Romney. His day in presidential politics has come and gone as has that of Jeb Bush.
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Romney is a plain citizen now and is not running for anything. Funny thing, I wonder how the response would have been had he come out in full out support of Trump? I am sure many people here would not be saying the same things they are now.

Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, and an entire host of other people can speak and write about the election, but Romney is supposed to stay silent?
 
GaryTaylor said:
And their stupidity could very easily cost them “another” election. Thats how foolish their arrogance is and while undermining anyone who doesn’t agree with them like Trump and Cruz who together won 10 of 11 states. You can’t make this up, Cruz is the only one who has a chance. The idea for sure isn’t Cruz its a brokered convention and thats nothing to do with “we the people”.
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All the more reason why I am looking for a write-in candidate.
 
meltzerboy said:
That much I will give Romney: he certainly looks like a leader and someone capable of being a strong, effective president.
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Yes, he does, and while his day has come and gone, I’d still like to see someone who can act with a mature and authoritative presence on the national and international stage, with of course the right ideas to help the country.
 
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