Trump v GOP

[Peter_J]

LOL with 60-70% of Republicans not supporting Trump, attacks against him are in no way usurping the will of the people. Because people who support other candidates are part of the people too.

People who support other people don’t let friends support people who don’t support other people.

 

[chero23]

Very, very good point. At the time there was great fear about the idea of a rich white guy going after the first African-American President. I think if Romney had to do it all over again, it would go much differently–but you know what they say about hindsight.

Race was never issue when Obama ran for reelection.

 

[Path_Finder]

As you know,I am not a Trump supporter.Yet,in all fairness to him,I have mention this.Donald Trump was asked at one of the first debates,if he would vow his alligience to thecRepublican Party,promise not to go third party.Which he did.So,now you have( yes I do believe there is an establishment power behind the party) Mitch McConell going around encouraging others in the party to not support Trump if he should become the nominee.Now we have Romney showing up,same day as another republican debate is scheduled.He basically went on and on about all the ways DT would be ruinous not only for the party but for the country as a whole.While he wouldn’t endorse anyone specifically,he definitely put out there that he was for anybody but Trump.I find all of this very off putting and devisive.The old ninnies up there on Capitol Hill are just getting their panties in a twist because things aren’t going their way.Trump clearly is a protest vote against the establishment and yet they are deaf to the voices of their base.

That deserves a thumbs up!

 

[chero23]

For what purpose? Romney is 68 and is quite wealthy. He was a Governor and he ran for the highest job in the land, twice, and lost. I don’t see him wanting a lower level job and I sure don’t see him being swayed by such an offer.

I believe there are only two possible reason for why Romney made the speech:

1. He truly believes what he says.
2. He wants to be the nominee in a brokered convention.

I doubt number two because he has to know he can’t win.

In cnn they were saying that republicans are considering a broken convention and appointing Paul Ryan as the nominee.

 

[phil19034]

Ben Sasse has said he wouldn’t vote for Donald Trump. Ben Sasse is a conservative. He has a 95% Heritage Action rating: heritageactionscorecard.com/members

There are other conservatives who oppose Donald Trump for the Republican nomination. Are they all part of “the establishment” ?

I don’t know. But I’m not bashing the establishment. I don’t want Trump and I don’t want a Democrat.

Trump’s foreign policy is scarier the more I look at it. They fear that Trump will cause South Korea to turn to China for support and cause Japan to pursue nuclear weapons. They fear that Trump’s dedication to winning and his unwillingness to compromise will set us back in the world of international relations for years (more so than Hillary).

They fear that Trump is basically an isolationist.

 

[irishpatrick]

As you know,I am not a Trump supporter.Yet,in all fairness to him,I have mention this.Donald Trump was asked at one of the first debates,if he would vow his alligience to thecRepublican Party,promise not to go third party.Which he did.So,now you have( yes I do believe there is an establishment power behind the party) Mitch McConell going around encouraging others in the party to not support Trump if he should become the nominee.Now we have Romney showing up,same day as another republican debate is scheduled.He basically went on and on about all the ways DT would be ruinous not only for the party but for the country as a whole.While he wouldn’t endorse anyone specifically,he definitely put out there that he was for anybody but Trump.I find all of this very off putting and devisive.The old ninnies up there on Capitol Hill are just getting their panties in a twist because things aren’t going their way.Trump clearly is a protest vote against the establishment and yet they are deaf to the voices of their base.

It took a lot to get Trump to agree not to go third party, and in recent times he has made soft threats he might still go that way. I don’t blame the RNC or many Republicans for not trusting him–he’s created that distrust. He thinks politics can be treated the same as a business deal–he has a lot to learn.

 

[simple_soul]

That is precisely why so many are worried about Trump. They feel he is a liberal in conservative clothes.

This all feels remarkably similar to 2008 to me.

I honastly don’t believe Trump is a liberal or conservative.

 

[chero23]

It took a lot to get Trump to agree not to go third party, and in recent times he has made soft threats he might still go that way. I don’t blame the RNC or many Republicans for not trusting him–he’s created that distrust. He thinks politics can be treated the same as a business deal–he has a lot to learn.

Trump changes position constantly. He supports people then trashes them.

 

[irishpatrick]

In cnn they were saying that republicans are considering a broken convention and appointing Paul Ryan as the nominee.

I hope not.

 

[Tomdstone]

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1. He wants to be the nominee in a brokered convention.

I doubt number two because he has to know he can’t win.

I believe number 2 because Romney wants the nomination and thinks he can beat Hillary. He is trying to create a stalemate and a situation where there is no alternative except to nominate him. He knew he could not win in the primaries, so a brokered convention is his only chance.

 

[chero23]

I hope not.

What part you hope doesn’t happen?

 

[irishpatrick]

Trump changes position constantly. He supports people then trashes them.

That is what Trump supporters cannot see. If Trump had been a team player all along, and had he shown he was willing to commit to a true conservative agenda, then this would not be happening. Instead, as he always has, he is going his own way and that is what people love about him. The problem is, in business that can work, not so in politics. ,

 

[irishpatrick]

I honastly don’t believe Trump is a liberal or conservative.

Most businesses play both sides.

 

[Jeanne_S]

It took a lot to get Trump to agree not to go third party, and in recent times he has made soft threats he might still go that way. I don’t blame the RNC or many Republicans for not trusting him–he’s created that distrust. He thinks politics can be treated the same as a business deal–he has a lot to learn.

Yes,all of this is true,yet the momentum he has built up is due largely to the lack of cohesiveness within the party.Mitch McConell et all,have been throwing the freshman senators like a Cruz and Rubio under the bus for several years because THEY were and still are(especially Cruz) a threat to the status quo.The only reason they are endorsing Marco is because of DT success so far.They look pathetic and crazed without any sense of direction.It’s nuts!

 

[Theo520]

Interesting article here about why the GOP establishment is against Trump. It’s all about foreign policy. The author Thomas Wright, fellow and director of the Project on International Order & Strategy at the Brookings Institution
asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Thomas-Wright-What-a-Trump-presidency-could-do-to-the-world?page=1

LOL, another attack deep in hyperbole and conjecture but not facts. The guy was drooling, imagining his worst case scenario.

Excerpt of his argument below.

Imagine, for instance, if he demands that Japan and South Korea pay exponentially more to the U.S. for their alliances and further calls on Japan to agree to significant changes in the U.S.-Japan Treaty. He may suspend U.S. commitments until these demands are agreed to. How would China respond in the East China Sea? What would North Korea do?

That is what Trump supporters cannot see. If Trump had been a team player all along, and had he shown he was willing to commit to a true conservative agenda, then this would not be happening. Instead, as he always has, he is going his own way and that is what people love about him. The problem is, in business that can work, not so in politics. ,

Irishpatrick, your analysis ignores the voters, who are voting for change - the party works for us. I agree with his approach to practical conservatism. Unlike other RINOs, Trump is honest about it.

 

[irishpatrick]

I believe number 2 because Romney wants the nomination and thinks he can beat Hillary. He is trying to create a stalemate and a situation where there is no alternative except to nominate him. He knew he could not win in the primaries, so a brokered convention is his only chance.

Anything is possible, but I don’t think Romney is delusional. He has no reason to think that people would support him after this mess of a primary fight. But, if you are correct, he will likely be a three time loser. I see no path to victory for him in any election. I think he would have been a very good President, but his chance has come and gone.

 

[irishpatrick]

Yes,all of this is true,yet the momentum he has built up is due largely to the lack of cohesiveness within the party.Mitch McConell et all,have been throwing the freshman senators like a Cruz and Rubio under the bus for several years because THEY were and still are(especially Cruz) a threat to the status quo.The only reason they are endorsing Marco is because of DT success so far.They look pathetic and crazed without any sense of direction.It’s nuts!

I agree–it is nuts.

I still say God is giving us what we deserve, and not what we want.

 

[irishpatrick]

How and why did the GOP get so divided and so raucous? Kasich is now the only one with a bit dignity and he is just hanging in there. If Trump is elected get ready for world War III: them against us.

Two things: The Congressional Republicans did let us down. Donald Trump’s rise.

Those two things were the main reason for the division we see today and the first one led to the second one.

 

[Ridgerunner]

For what purpose? Romney is 68 and is quite wealthy. He was a Governor and he ran for the highest job in the land, twice, and lost. I don’t see him wanting a lower level job and I sure don’t see him being swayed by such an offer.

I believe there are only two possible reason for why Romney made the speech:

1. He truly believes what he says.
2. He wants to be the nominee in a brokered convention.

I doubt number two because he has to know he can’t win.

I agree. I think only a madman would imagine that he could win the presidency after doing this. He would even lose to the “third party candidate” whose running he would have guaranteed.

I could be wrong about this, but I think the reaction to Romney is going to be extremely negative. Might even help trump.

And no, I’m not a Trumper. I would prefer Kasich even though I don’t think he can win the primary. He’s far and away the most qualified, beholding to few, and has kept out of the circular firing squad, to his credit.

But if Trump is the nominee, I would walk through ten feet of snow to vote for him over Hillary Clinton.

 

[Darryl1958]

It was a good speech. I watched the whole thing. He didn’t announce his candidacy, suggest people write in his name or endorse anyone. He just laid out all the reasons he feels that Donald Trump would be a terrible president.

Here is some of what he said:

On Trump’s character: “Dishonesty is Trump’s hallmark: He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong, he spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong, he saw no such thing. He imagined it. His is not the temperament of a stable, thoughtful leader.”

On Trump’s wealth: “I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn’t give much if anything to the disabled and to our veterans. … And I predict that despite his promise to do so, first made over a year ago, he will never ever release his tax returns. Never. Not the returns under audit, not even the returns that are no longer being audited. He has too much to hide.”

On Trump’s morality: “Mr. Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes. He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants, he calls for the use of torture and for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. He cheers assaults on protesters. He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit first amendment freedom of the press. This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.”

He seems to be pushing for a brokered convention. Now that the primaries are shifting to “winner-take-all” states, he suggests that voters in each state look to see which of the three remaining candidates has the best chance of beating Trump in their state and then voting for that candidate. That way, for example, if Kasich wins Ohio and Rubio wins Florida, Trump will get zero delegates from those states.

Thanks for the summary.