Trump v GOP

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gracepoole said:
Honestly, which candidate has fans who aren’t patriots? Who isn’t a patriot?
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I’m pointing out people are interested in Trump as a presidential candidate not a celebrity as Irishpatrick asserts. This has nothing to do with other candidates’ voters. I do not mean others are not patriots.
 
Crossbones said:
I kind of figured he would be horrible, so I guess I would. But I’m not one of those people that take Fox News for gospel and see generally positive trends in the economy and foreign policy under President Obama’s administration.
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I rarely watch Fox News and cannot stomach many of their anchors–so please don’t put me in that group. I do an awful lot of research on my own, and what often seems like an upward trend, is not so if you dig deeper. For example, the numbers of people no longer in the work force, not of their own choosing and no longer on unemployment rolls, is truly staggering. There is almost one-third of our population that is not working–more than 94-million people. Those high numbers of people out of the labor force are not recorded in umemployement stats–yet there are 4-5% fewer people (of the total population) not working today, than during the peak of the George W. Bush years, and the population today is higher than it was then.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m pointing out people are interested in Trump as a presidential candidate not a celebrity as Irishpatrick asserts. This has nothing to do with other candidates’ voters. I do not mean others are not patriots.
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None of these things are absolutes. There are certainly many well meaning people who support Trump, who are not smitten with celebrities. The opposite is also true, a great many people ARE smitten with the celebrity bug regarding Trump. We saw the same thing happen with Obama.
 
irishpatrick said:
I rarely watch Fox News and cannot stomach many of their anchors–so please don’t put me in that group. I do an awful lot of research on my own, and what often seems like an upward trend, is not so if you dig deeper. For example, the numbers of people no longer in the work force, not of their own choosing and no longer on unemployment rolls, is truly staggering. There is almost one-third of our population that is not working–more than 94-million people. Those high numbers of people out of the labor force are not recorded in umemployement stats–yet there are 4-5% fewer people (of the total population) not working today, than during the peak of the George W. Bush years, and the population today is higher than it was then.
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Oh, I wouldn’t put you in that group. Your posts are very thoughtful, though I may disagree with you on some issues.

I agree with you that the economy is not strong, but it is improved. I don’t think that Governor Romney would have done better.
 
Path_Finder said:
In Texas? South Carolina and Louisiana and Florida? That I don’t buy; in fact, in the end, if I can say it, Trump is very much a Yankee. This is just a convenient excuse.
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No, it is not. Trump owns casinos and buildings, and he was on television for years, and he’s even been in movies. He has many people who like him just as a different sort of celebrity. There really is zero doubt in my mind.

This is not new–Obama became and overnight celebrity and that rushed him into the White House. Reagan also had some celebrity as he entered the race against Carter.

And, yes, even in those states you mentioned there are many people who will follow celebrities.
 
Crossbones said:
Oh, I wouldn’t put you in that group. Your posts are very thoughtful, though I may disagree with you on some issues.

I agree with you that the economy is not strong, but it is improved. I don’t think that Governor Romney would have done better.
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I disagree. He would have turned back Obamacare. He would have changed the tax structure. He would have reduced taxes on corporations, which in turn would have helped thousands of jobs to stay here in the USA–the list can go on. None of those things did Obama do, or even hint at doing.

The only thing that is doing very well is the stock market. Housing has bounced back a little (though it was the Dems, not Bush, who caused that), but it’s still far from recovered. Places like Detroit still stand as proof of how rough some areas have become.

Unemployment when examined truthfully, is terrible…millions still want jobs and cannot find them and jobs help fuel families.

Then, there is a plethora of other issues that Romney would have excelled at.
 
irishpatrick said:
I disagree. He would have turned back Obamacare. He would have changed the tax structure. He would have reduced taxes on corporations, which in turn would have helped thousands of jobs to stay here in the USA–the list can go on. None of those things did Obama do, or even hint at doing.

The only thing that is doing very well is the stock market. Housing has bounced back a little (though it was the Dems, not Bush, who caused that), but it’s still far from recovered. Places like Detroit still stand as proof of how rough some areas have become.

Unemployment when examined truthfully, is terrible…millions still want jobs and cannot find them and jobs help fuel families.

Then, there is a plethora of other issues that Romney would have excelled at.
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I guess we’ll never know.
 
Path_Finder said:
We have an electorate that voted for a man who voted 4 times against the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act, that setting aside infants surviving abortion and born alive from any life support.

47% comment is virtually nothing at all in comparison.
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Well said. The 47% comment really wasn’t anywhere as bad as it was made out to be, IMO.
FollowChrist34 said:
Yep, as I recall you lean to Cruz? I am behind Rubio, but I am starting to suspect Cruz is stronger, so…I am ready to jump ship if need be - to Cruz (even if I don’t have the same personal warm fuzzies about him).
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You sound just like me … well, except I think I’ve already made the jump, at least head wise. :o
 
queenofheartscv said:
In other words, the reason for Trump’s success is people are fools.
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I do like some of Trump’s positions, for example, his belief that the Iraq war was a disaster and that the American people were lied to and that non-intervention would have been a better choice. He also seems to be against arming the Syrian rebels opposing Assad, saying that we don’t know who they are (which I think is true) and he wants more cooperation with Russia. The position of Kasich for arming Ukraine is an open invitation to disaster and is only stoking the flames of war. Trump’s position of negotiation for peace is a much better one. He calls for making deals to end wars and promote peace, unlike Kasich who is calling to throw more weapons in various countries so that war can be promoted. IMHO, it is always better to promote peace and it is always wrong to promote wars. Wars, especially as has been seen in Europe WWI and WWII, result in enormous tragedies with millions of innocent children and women being killed and millions others paralyzed for life. Negotiation is the better course.
 
 
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m not even going to argue with you.
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My point is that, while he may differ with Obama on some things (how to deal with illegal immigrants is a big disagreement between Obama and Trump), I think it is a stretch to say they differ on many issues.
 
Tomdstone said:
I understood that he approved of the non-abortion facilities of PP. I thought he says that he does not approve of financing abortions at PP.
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Trump is famous for his lack of details. Those plans need to include Planned Parenthood not being in the abortion business at all.

I wonder if it would be okay to fund the third reich’s famously efficient highway system as long as those funds aren’t used for other purposes which would go to pay for evil purposes.
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
Like Trump’s stance that government should run health care?

breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/

Like Trump’s praise of Planned Parenthood?

lifesitenews.com/news/trump-praises-planned-parenthood-again-slams-so-called-conservatives-who-di

Like Trump’s celebrating same-sex marriage?

web.archive.org/web/20060507020036/http://donaldtrump.trumpuniversity.com/default.asp?item=121537
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That same sex marriage letter is rather condemning and I bookmarked it to show anyone.
web.archive.org/web/20060507020036/http://donaldtrump.trumpuniversity.com/default.asp?item=121537

So, I guess, with same-sex marriage, it is like abortion and the other non-negotiables.

I mean, even Rubio has said like Kasich, let’s move on on this which isn’t a total give-in. So, something to watch and reflect on
 
simple_soul said:
On another note, I also believe he has tapped into something about some people and is using to his full advantage. People are tired of being politically correct. They want to be able to just spout off at the mouth and cut people to pieces verbally and hate the PC crowd because something inside of them keeps them from doing it. Why they just don’t spout off at the mouth about everything and everyone as Trump does is probably because they were raised with manners and taught to show respect and give others their dignity through it by not cutting others to pieces verbally. They were taught to be kind…and compassionate…and forgiving…but trust me I know it’s hard and a daily struggle to bite my tongue. Exapecially when you are boiling mad about something that you perceive as an injustice. I beleive Trump has become people’s outlet. I beleive people, because thier good conscience won’t let them be like Trump, are living vicariously through him…he is a master businessman. He knows how to tap into what people want probably better than most politicians because he has made a living of selling things to people. I don’t see him doing anything different in his run for the presidency than he does to promote or sell his wears.
Anyway I know this is just my two-cents. So take it for what it is…just wanted to throw in some more food-for-thought for others to consider.
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👍 Well said. Very perceptive!
 
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