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TMC said:
OK, I understand your point. I am not countering it so much as applying the same logic to Trump (in this thread about Trump). If you judge politicians by their past actions, let’s look at Trump’s past actions. What do they tell you?
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It tells me he never legislated any pro-choice legislation nor voted for such legislation.

Yes, he has a history of donations that can be questioned.

He may have given to both sides, I’d have to see the total figures.
 
TMC said:
OK, I understand your point. I am not countering it so much as applying the same logic to Trump (in this thread about Trump). If you judge politicians by their past actions, let’s look at Trump’s past actions. What do they tell you?
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Complex fellow, I see no reason why he would involve himself in this mess. Imo its an unselfish act. If I was him I really doubt I would do it. The reason,I don’t know perhaps he feels in dept or something. Doesn’t take much but a moment of inspiration to set a course I suppose.
 
Path_Finder said:
It tells me he never legislated any pro-choice legislation nor voted for such legislation.

Yes, he has a history of donations that can be questioned.

He may have given to both sides, I’d have to see the total figures.
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I think in the near future we will also learn that he has donated significant funds to pro-choice causes. That is likely why he is trying so hard to emphasize that he supports Planned Parenthood’s non-abortion services. That may also be one of the reasons he is resisting producing any tax returns. Before I get flamed on, I freely admit that I am speculating here, but it is true that he has admitted that he “may have” given money to PP, he claims he can’t remember (despite claiming he has the world’s best memory).
 
_Abyssinia said:
Poll: Rubio Leads Trump by 25 Points in Florida Among Those Who Have Already Voted

weeklystandard.com/poll-rubio-leads-trump-by-25-points-in-florida-among-those-who-have-already-voted/article/2001447

Trump is leading among those who have not voted.

I saw somebody point out earlier on Twitter about Rubio doing good with late deciders before.
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Yes, I saw this. At first it looks really encouraging but after you read it not so much. Trump has a huge lead against Rubio in recent deciders even though Rubio led quite a bit in early voting (!). But there is still good news - the difference is 8 percentage points in the Florida polls right now - Trump in the lead. (this sounds confusing; the article explains it better) The primary is March 15. Rubio should be able to make that up. Florida is a closed primary, which has hurt Trump in the past.

And I do think Florida is Rubio’s last stand. He gained 20 points in Virginia in a few weeks. I would be surprised if he loses Florida actually; the real problem is that he is weak nationally. He needs a big win to get back on the radar as a serious contender. Cruz and Trump going after him in Florida may actually backfire…we’ll see.
 
Are they saying something like Rubio spent more in campaign ads or just for the campaign for Super Tuesday than all of the other candidates combined? I heard something like that.
 
Peter_J said:
You should know by now that there are two types of people. Those who support Trump and those who don’t.
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Oh, I know that, believe me - being in the latter category. Cats and dogs. Kangaroos and frogs. But don’t you wonder why they prefer him over Cruz or the others. I would like to hear a reasoned, in depth analysis of the difference between them and why Trump is superior. That has not yet happened.
 
TMC said:
I think in the near future we will also learn that he has donated significant funds to pro-choice causes. That is likely why he is trying so hard to emphasize that he supports Planned Parenthood’s non-abortion services. That may also be one of the reasons he is resisting producing any tax returns. Before I get flamed on, I freely admit that I am speculating here, but it is true that he has admitted that he “may have” given money to PP, he claims he can’t remember (despite claiming he has the world’s best memory).
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I don’t know google cervical cancer and HPV-16, which I would have to believe he did as he mentioned it a few times. Its a major issue affecting the baby boomer generation and a sexually transmitted cancer. I don’t see where you can fault that. you could surely fault the CDC and so forth as public awareness is severely lacking. I never even heard of this and its a major issue with vaccines out now for the youth. What I find is the more I read he is very well informed.

Well I;m out I going to watch the UCONN girls make history. 👍
 
I will follow my own counsel, having voted for every pro-life candidate, state and federal, for over 30 years except perhaps for Dukakis in that election, '88 or '90, and not being as tuned in to the pro-life movement back then but still pro-life, I have no problem with voting for Trump if he is the nominee in the General Election. I wonder too, if some of the criticism of Trump is likewise backed up by those with relatively solid pro-life voting records or activities and are not just using this to slam the man. I’m not concerned about the man but the best way to save life. Jesus does not tell us to doubt our fellow man.

The partial birth abortion types on the left are all much worse.

I am not a single-issue voter, but I am primarily for one issue over the others.
 
Path_Finder said:
I will follow my own counsel, having voted for every pro-life candidate, state and federal, for over 30 years except perhaps for Dukakis in that election, '88 or '90, and not being as tuned in to the pro-life movement back then but still pro-life, I have no problem with voting for Trump if he is the nominee in the General Election. I wonder too, if some of the criticism of Trump is likewise backed up by those with relatively solid pro-life voting records or activities and are not just using this to slam the man. I’m not concerned about the man but the best way to save life. Jesus does not tell us to doubt our fellow man.

The partial birth abortion types on the left are all much worse.
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I am not a single-issue voter, but I am primarily for one issue over the others**.
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FollowChrist34 said:
Peter J;13729671:
You should know by now that there are two types of people. Those who support Trump and those who don’t.
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Oh, I know that, believe me - being in the latter category. Cats and dogs. Kangaroos and frogs. But don’t you wonder why they prefer him over Cruz or the others. I would like to hear a reasoned, in depth analysis of the difference between them and why Trump is superior. That has not yet happened.
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I should have said, the narrative of this forum is that there are two types of people.

Hence why the discourse here revolves endlessly around T***p, even though only a small fraction of the posters actually support him.
 
I respect every person’s right to vote their conscience.

But I believe it is my Christian duty to emphasize the fact that Trump is much more likely to lose than Cruz, Kasich or Rubio as we see in 90% of the polls to this very day. Trump and Cruz have the highest negatives; they will both motivate the Democratic base to come out in large numbers. Trump is especially vulnerable in this regard; he alienates and motivates the Democratic base (‘bring it on’ as one Democrat put it) and many conservatives. Approximately 20-30% of conservatives will not vote for Trump. Why go down this path? For what purpose - to protect the unborn?

It is important that we not only weigh and consider the very real negatives about Trump as outlined in the above statement by prominent conservative Catholics in terms of moral questions of character (there is not sufficient evidence of his commitment to the prolife cause), but also seriously consider the fact that by voting in the primaries for nonTrump candidates we greatly increase our chances of taking the White House from the Democrats and strengthening our efforts to restriction abortion in this country.

I will repost this post - after Hillary wins over Trump. How’s that. 😉
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Oh, I know that, believe me - being in the latter category. Cats and dogs. Kangaroos and frogs. But don’t you wonder why they prefer him over Cruz or the others. I would like to hear a reasoned, in depth analysis of the difference between them and why Trump is superior. That has not yet happened.
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There are several reason for me to not prefer Cruz.

First of all, he strikes me as slimy and I’m not sure he’s trustworthy. What he did to Carson in Iowa was bad. The voter violation fraudulent mailer was bad. He ran lots of false ads lying about Trump, which was bad. The fact that he didn’t disclose two substantial loans from big banks on his federal forms was bad.

I also resent the fact that he rode on the coattail of Trump ever since the beginning of the campaign, never had to fight hard as Trump did, and then took all the credit for similar positions as Trump. He now says he’s building a wall, have Trump build it and at one point suggested Trump pay for it.

I also think he’s strident and not able to work well with others. No senators as far as I know have endorsed him. I’ve also read that none of his college classmates liked him. Many people say that he sounds like a tele-evangelist. I think Trump has much better negotiation abilities than he and knows much more about trade and jobs.

I also don’t like that fact that he and his wife drag their two little girls out on the campaign trail all the time. They are there for all those late-night debates, many of which feature unflattering comments about their father.
 
queenofheartscv said:
There are several reason for me to not prefer Cruz.

First of all, he strikes me as slimy and I’m not sure he’s trustworthy. What he did to Carson in Iowa was bad. The voter violation fraudulent mailer was bad. He ran lots of false ads lying about Trump, which was bad. The fact that he didn’t disclose two substantial loans from big banks on his federal forms was bad.

I also resent the fact that he rode on the coattail of Trump ever since the beginning of the campaign, never had to fight hard as Trump did, and then took all the credit for similar positions as Trump. He now says he’s building a wall, have Trump build it and at one point suggested Trump pay for it.

I also think he’s strident and not able to work well with others. No senators as far as I know have endorsed him. I’ve also read that none of his college classmates liked him. Many people say that he sounds like a tele-evangelist. I think Trump has much better negotiation abilities than he and knows much more about trade and jobs.

I also don’t like that fact that he and his wife drag their two little girls out on the campaign trail all the time. They are there for all those late-night debates,** many of which feature unflattering comments about their father**.
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By Trump:D (just bustin’ your chops, as they say…😃 )
 
Path_Finder said:
It tells me he never legislated any pro-choice legislation nor voted for such legislation.

Yes, he has a history of donations that can be questioned.

He may have given to both sides, I’d have to see the total figures.
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His present actions tell you that he believes PP is a phenomenal organization that has helped millions and millions of women. He could tell you story after story about all the women that have reached out to him about this. I’m pro-choice and I promise you that I know another pro-choicer when I see/hear one.
 
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