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Tomdstone said:
It looks to me like Kiev is the aggressor as it is committing economic genocide against the people living in east Ukraine, by cutting off their pensions. Innocent women and children have been starving to death as a result of Kiev’s genocidal policies. I would support a peaceful and diplomatic settlement of the civil war, not more bloodshed and starvation as would result from what Kasich is proposing. Why doesn’t Kasich talk about peace and a peaceful solution in the region? No, he only wants more weapons and more war.

globalresearch.ca/economic-genocide-ukraine-cuts-off-payment-of-pensions-to-one-million-senior-citizens-in-donbass/5439254

russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/28/2167
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Nonsense.

Russian soldiers, agents and arms are in eastern Ukraine. Russia has already annexed Crimea. No Ukrainian soldiers are in Russia.

The great majority of eastern Ukrainians want to remain part of Ukraine, including the majority of the Russian-speakers.

Sometimes the obvious answer is the right answer.

I think the world learned long ago at Munich that appeasing an aggressor by giving away another nations territory does not bring peace. It only brings more aggression.

But I can understand why Russia wouldn’t want Ukrainians to be able to defend themselves.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Nonsense…
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I would say the same about your discussion here. It is truly uncharitable if someone were to want to promote economic genocide and the starvation of innocent women and children by cutting off pensions which were rightfully earned. That is why I would not recommend voting for someone like Kasich who says nothing about promoting peace and goodwill in Ukraine. I don;t hear anything from him about restoring the pensions of people in the east so that they and their families will not die of starvation. I am opposed to the policies of the right sector in Ukraine.
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Tomdstone said:
I would say the same about your discussion here. It is truly uncharitable if someone were to want to promote economic genocide and the starvation of innocent women and children by cutting off pensions which were rightfully earned. That is why I would not recommend voting for someone like Kasich who says nothing about promoting peace and goodwill in Ukraine. I don;t hear anything from him about restoring the pensions of people in the east so that they and their families will not die of starvation. I am opposed to the policies of the right sector in Ukraine.
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If, indeed, Ukraine has cut off pensions to supporters of Russia’s invasion, where is the injustice? In any event, one doubts regular delivery by Ukraine exists in the Russian-held parts of Ukraine. Over a million Ukrainians have fled the fighting and one expects social infrastructure in the war zone to be normal?

There will be no peace in eastern Ukraine until the Russian invaders leave or until Ukraine simply cedes the area to Russia. But even then, why would Ukrainians then believe Russia wouldn’t steal more of their country?

Even the Poles and Balts are rearming, and Russian aggression is the reason, not John Kasich or Ukrainians.
 
Ridgerunner said:
If, indeed, Ukraine has cut off pensions to supporters of Russia’s invasion, where is the injustice?.
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You are contradicting yourself. You just said that many people in the east do not support the Russian separatists. Kiev is cutting off the pensions of all of the people in the east, not just those who support separatism. In doing so, Kiev is promoting genocide by starvation.
John Kasich offers no solution to promoting peace in Ukraine. Providing more and more weapons only worsens the situation and promotes the blasting and bombing of schools and the killing of innocent children.
 
Tomdstone said:
You are contradicting yourself. You just said that many people in the east do not support the Russian separatists. Kiev is cutting off the pensions of all of the people in the east, not just those who support separatism. In doing so, Kiev is promoting genocide by starvation.
John Kasich offers no solution to promoting peace in Ukraine. Providing more and more weapons only worsens the situation and promotes the blasting and bombing of schools and the killing of innocent children.
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No source for the assertion.

But one really would want to question how, exactly, Ukraine is to administer areas occupied by Russia, particularly when Russians seize the pension money to help finance the war against Ukraine, just as Putin is confiscating Russian pensions to help finance that war and the occupation of Crimea. bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-26/russian-pensions-paid-for-putin-s-crimea-grab

And when Ukraine doesn’t have the money, due to the cost of the Russian war against it and the loss of revenue due to Russian seizure of the major industrial area it occupies, to pay pensioners in the non-occupied parts of Ukraine, how is it expected to pay them to people in the Russian-occupied zone?

Clearly, the solution is for Russia to withdraw its arms, troops and agents from Ukraine. How is John Kasich to get Russia to do that other than by improving Ukraine’s ability to defend itself? Nothing has so far persuaded Russia to withdraw, despite international and UN efforts to get Russia to do that. What is the reason to expect that Kasich could talk Russia into withdrawing when nobody else could? cbsnews.com/news/un-general-assembly-condemns-russias-actions-in-ukraine/
 
From today’s Guardian:
Barack Obama poured scorn on the notion that he was responsible for the rise of Donald Trump and the “crack-up” of the Republican party on Thursday, insisting that its wound was self-inflicted.
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“I have been blamed by Republicans for a lot of things, but being blamed for their primaries and who they’re selecting for their party is novel,” he said with a laugh during a joint news conference at the White House with Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau.
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theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/10/obama-trump-republican-nomination-president
 
“It’s not as if there’s a massive difference between Mr Trump’s position on immigration and Mr [Ted] Cruz’s position on immigration. Mr Trump might just be more provocative in terms of how he says it, but the actual positions aren’t that different.”
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Really all it is he’s simply more provocative against the provocative leftist radicals who are confused about americans freedoms, and rather believe in freedom for me but not for thee.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Really all it is he’s simply more provocative against the provocative leftist radicals who are confused about americans freedoms, and rather believe in freedom for me but not for thee.
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It’s true Cruz has similar positions to trump. Cruz has watched Trump take all the incoming for voicing a stance and then watched him get popular as a result. Cruz then tried to take trump’s positions.

The most salient example is Cruz shouting, I’ll build a wall, and I have just the right person in mind to build it (trump, wink wink). At one point he even said, I’ll have trump pay for it!

That’s why many call him the “me too” Ted.
 
Carson may be endorsing Trump on Friday.

youngcons.com/ben-carson-certainly-leaning-towards-endorsing-donald-trump/

“If I said it sounded to me in this interview like you’re leaning toward Trump, would I be wrong?” Gibson asked, adding later on that “I’m ready to conclude that Ben Carson is on the Trump team.”

“Let’s put it this way, I’m certainly leaning,” Carson said.

BREAKING: Former Republican pres. candidate Ben Carson to endorse GOP frontrunner Donald Trump tomorrow - @NBCNews
 
Ridgerunner said:
If, indeed, Ukraine has cut off pensions to supporters of Russia’s invasion, where is the injustice? In any event, one doubts regular delivery by Ukraine exists in the Russian-held parts of Ukraine. Over a million Ukrainians have fled the fighting and one expects social infrastructure in the war zone to be normal?

There will be no peace in eastern Ukraine until the Russian invaders leave or until Ukraine simply cedes the area to Russia. But even then, why would Ukrainians then believe Russia wouldn’t steal more of their country?

Even the Poles and Balts are rearming, and Russian aggression is the reason, not John Kasich or Ukrainians.
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Putin and his army of trolls is conducting cyberwarfare, media warfare and social warfare in Europe, Baltic States and the Balkans. He has employed tens of thousands of paid trolls to only present positive spin to Russian agressinve action in social media forums, blog, comment sections of new media outlets. His purpose is to break up NATO and undermine EU unit. He is supporting right wing party in France and in Germany. It’s laughable how many there are but on the TheGuardian website, the commentors all know when Russian trolls suddenly appear to discuss Russian intentions.

The Hybrid War: Russia’s Propaganda Campaign Against Germany

…These methods were already evident in the Ukraine crisis, as Russia deployed television stations and so-called trolls to spread propaganda on the Internet and cast aspersions on Western media for being kept on a tight leash. Russian propaganda falls on fertile ground in the West, where distrust of politicians and the media is widespread. Many believe that the established media, disparaged as the Lügenpresse, or “lying press,” are withholding the truth. In Germany, 44 percent of the population harbors such reservations, according to a survey by the polling company Forsa…

…In addition to cyber attacks and propaganda, Russia also uses political networks to pursue its disruptive actions in the West. In contrast to the past, the pro-Moscow camp abroad is no longer leftist but staunchly right-wing. Russia sees itself as the leader of a new, global conservatism – anti-liberal, xenophobic and homophobic – against a supposedly decadent West and its decline in values. Moscow uses right-wing groups to advance its agenda…
 
Barack Obama poured scorn on the notion that he was responsible for the rise of Donald Trump and the “crack-up” of the Republican party on Thursday, insisting that its wound was self-inflicted.
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“I have been blamed by Republicans for a lot of things, but being blamed for their primaries and who they’re selecting for their party is novel,” he said with a laugh during a joint news conference at the White House with Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau.
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To be fair, I wouldn’t want to take credit for that or, more fundamentally, the state that the country is in. Easier to say that Congress put us where we are by not doing what the President wanted them to do.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Carson may be endorsing Trump on Friday.

youngcons.com/ben-carson-certainly-leaning-towards-endorsing-donald-trump/

“If I said it sounded to me in this interview like you’re leaning toward Trump, would I be wrong?” Gibson asked, adding later on that “I’m ready to conclude that Ben Carson is on the Trump team.”

“Let’s put it this way, I’m certainly leaning,” Carson said.

BREAKING: Former Republican pres. candidate Ben Carson to endorse GOP frontrunner Donald Trump tomorrow - @NBCNews
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I heard, what I really like about Trump is pretty clear as Tomstone was talking about. He don’t want to start war with the entire world. Including Pakistan, Iran, Putin, China, Cuba, North Korea and Isis. Now to the contrary of his dialogue about Islam and its inherent radical aspect which was just honest. The remainder feel the same only really want to act off these issues, like with Mario and Ted in Pakistan and Iran right away and then as discussed above with Ukraine. These are real issues that we are deep into and the answer is not simply military shock and awe as John said and the rest all nodded like bubble heads. The point is Trump can negotiate and wants to do that first with Hamas and Pakistan Iran etc. To me this point always stood out simply because Im not a advocate of war. I’m OK with war if need be and with a sound plan and exist strategy as a last resort but not like by large how these guys talk.

Its easy to get caught up in the rhetoric and miss who really is a war monger in all this and the fact is its not Trump by a long shot.
 
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