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redbetta
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Don’t give that one your time of day.
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DENNYINMI
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sigh…hence the reason Holy Mother Church endorses their “right” to migrate. my goodness.
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midori
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No, you sidestepped the question.
I’m not asking who’s standing up for them to try to get where they’re going. I’m asking about the circumstances that they’re trying to get away from.
I’m not asking who’s standing up for them to try to get where they’re going. I’m asking about the circumstances that they’re trying to get away from.
LeafByNiggle
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I don’t think that is the charge. The charge is that Trump makes it a point to direct our attention to those that are scary people. It almost seems like he wants to maximize our fear and minimize our sympathy. It is shameful. Very shameful.Hereiam:
Apparently you have learned the lesson of telling a half truth and pretending it is the whole truth. The “evil one” didn’t say they were ALL “murders, [sic] rapists, and bad hombres,” as you imply…joeybaggz:
Oh yeah…you learn your lessons from the evil one well…when ever people come into the US, we should call them “murders, rapists, and bad hombres”, and make no mention that some who come unsponsored are presenting themselves as refugees seeking political asylum…how disgusting and shameful!
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joeybaggz
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Or maybe there are the types I mentioned in “general population” and the policy of separation is to protect children from “the bad hombres.”HarryStotle:
I don’t think that is the charge. The charge is that Trump makes it a point to direct our attention to those that are scary people. It almost seems like he wants to maximize our fear and minimize our sympathy. It is shameful. Very shameful.Hereiam:
Apparently you have learned the lesson of telling a half truth and pretending it is the whole truth. The “evil one” didn’t say they were ALL “murders, [sic] rapists, and bad hombres,” as you imply…joeybaggz:
Oh yeah…you learn your lessons from the evil one well…when ever people come into the US, we should call them “murders, rapists, and bad hombres”, and make no mention that some who come unsponsored are presenting themselves as refugees seeking political asylum…how disgusting and shameful!
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midori
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What about parents who tell their kids not to talk to strangers?
Are we trying to maximize their fear of people they don’t know, and minimize their sympathy? Or is it because we know that kids don’t have a radar for being able to tell ordinary people from people who actively wish to do something harmful to them?
Same thing for border control. We have borders because it’s the nature of countries to have boundaries. Everything in this area is governed under these rules. Everything in that area is governed under those rules. And you know where you are, and the rules that you need to obey, and what to expect.
Each country has its own ability to dictate who can and cannot come into its country. But they also don’t have a radar to tell the difference between ordinary people and those who actively wish to do harm. Yeah, MS-13 gang facial tattoos are very helpful in sorting out the good from the bad, but you can’t rely on someone to actively write their beliefs and priorities on their faces every time.
So that’s why we have people submit documents. Which is what happens when you do things legally. It’s bureaucracy, and bureaucracy can always be improved— but it’s better than anarchy.
There are three groups of people making a big push for the assimilation of illegal immigrants. One group is the Globalists-- the people who are post-nationalists. Look at the European Union’s open borders for an example-- once you get into, say, Poland through Russia, you can travel freely within the EU-- like, say, through Germany, or Slovakia, or the Czech Republic. They don’t want people to think “I’m a German; yay, Germany”; they want people to follow their leaders without any nationalistic elements to their identity.
Another group of people are the cartels. They spend a lot of time and effort and money getting drugs and human trafficking and things like that moving across the borders. There’s a lot of corruption going on in the places where they already exist. There’s a bit of corruption going on in the places where they would like to have more influence. But those pesky borders and immigration policies keep getting in the way…
A third group of people are those who would like to take political/economic advantage of the illegals. They need an underclass who will work for starvation wages, or an underclass who will vote for them. There’s an estimated 12.5 million illegal immigrants in the US, total. That’s more than the entire population of New York City (8.175 M) and Los Angeles (3.792 M) combined.
Which group are you supporting?
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LeafByNiggle
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The amount of fear we instill should be commensurate with the actual risk involved. Even in the case of teaching children not to talk to strangers, it is possible to go too far and make kids pathologically afraid of anyone new - a fear that could carry over into their adult lives.LeafByNiggle:
What about parents who tell their kids not to talk to strangers?
Are we trying to maximize their fear of people they don’t know, and minimize their sympathy? Or is it because we know that kids don’t have a radar for being able to tell ordinary people from people who actively wish to do something harmful to them?
It is a straw man argument to bring up open borders. That is not proposed. It is not the issue. The issue is the degree to which we as Americans are being brainwashed into xenophobia. Reasonable people want to have controlled borders, but not because they fear the people on the other side will rape their mother and stab their father. (Ref: “Alice’s Restaurant” - group W bench)
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midori
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What do you call it if you allow everyone into the country, no questions asked, if you don’t call it open borders?
LeafByNiggle
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I call that a straw man argument, as I said.LeafByNiggle:
What do you call it if you allow everyone into the country, no questions asked, if you don’t call it open borders?
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Ransri
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The nature of responses in general to my post is very discouraging and disappointing to me. I dont know why the response of Priests to this post has been minimal despite my request!
Some people attempted to give an exaggerated political dimension to this post and over sympathized with policy makers instead of looking into the weepings and plight of the above mentioned children!
Some people attempted to give an exaggerated political dimension to this post and over sympathized with policy makers instead of looking into the weepings and plight of the above mentioned children!
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Augustinian
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I think its the parents’ fault, really. They saw the asylum loophole and are exploiting it by bringing their children with them when they sneak into the country.
The key IMHO is to clarify and simplify the “asylum” situation, so the cases can be processed expeditiously.
Another idea would be to give asylum seekers transit passes to the Canadian frontier and encourage them to seek entrance into that country. Canada has a lot more generous social welfare programs than the United States and might be a better fit for them.
The key IMHO is to clarify and simplify the “asylum” situation, so the cases can be processed expeditiously.
Another idea would be to give asylum seekers transit passes to the Canadian frontier and encourage them to seek entrance into that country. Canada has a lot more generous social welfare programs than the United States and might be a better fit for them.
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Ransri
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That might be true!
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