I don’t find it odd at all. After all, the U.S. is very popular in Vietnam. Antagonisms or wariness in one thing does not necessarily mean it in all things.That’s tough to do when your ratings and support are very high in Russia.
pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/
By the way, the House Judiciary Committe (I believe it is) just voted to adopt a special counsel to investigate Hillary, Comey, Lynch, Obama, and Rice. See here:Let’s be serious about this.
It’s just a fact that Hillary Clinton acted in favor of Russian acquisition of U.S. uranium reserves. It’s also just a fact that she received $140 million dollars from Russia during that same period of time, much of it from some of the same people and entities involved in the uranium deal. One who has not been privy to the investigation information (if, indeed, there has been any) to be justified in being suspicious of it.
How will you react, do you suppose, if Mueller, in delving into Trump’s companies’ financial affairs over the years, discovers that some Russian overpaid five years ago for a membership in some golf club of Trump’s, or somebody got a loan from a Russian-connected bank to buy some building of his?
Again, let’s be serious. If anything remotely approaching the Clnton uranium deal is found on Trump, the pack will be in full cry, and those outside the media who hate Trump will be right in the front of it on the blogosphere.
And nobody presently says anything about the Clinton deal while accusing Trump of malfeasance vis a vis Russia without having a scintilla of evidence behind it.
It’s personal animosity that drives dichotomies like that, and it’s not wrong to point it out.
Point taken. I believe people like Gates and Buffett and Jobs have made a lot of money for their investors among other things. I can only guess they are well liked all over the world.Whether the President is or is not popular in Russia is of no account in and of itself. If he is popular for reasons that are no betrayal of the US, there is no reason we should not want him to be well-liked.
Do you have any evidence for this during or before the campaign?At one time, Trump appeared ready to see if there were cooperative things the U.S. and Russia could do; like effect some rational arrangements in Syria that might be mutually acceptable.
First of all, not all Trump supporters are poor or white or live in mobile homes or shop at Walmart. My wife does shop at Walmart, and we’re both “white” but we qualify in no other way.I certainly am astonished and incredulous at Catholic Trump supporters, to be sure. It does not make sense to me.
And I was astonished at poor, white, mobile home dwellers/WalMart shoppers who voted for Trump, as Trump’s ideology and lifestyle is as far away from their lifestyle as possible…but I did hear a news report that said something like, “The people [elite, educated, professor-types, feminists liberals] who look down on me [mobile home dwellers] look down on this guy [Trump], so I’m going to vote for him!”
And that makes sense.
I don’t claim to be an expert on why Trump might be popular in Russia, but certainly during the campaign there were plenty who criticized his saying Putin is “smart” or “brilliant” or that he outplayed Obama.Do you have any evidence for this during or before the campaign?
I mean, if you’re going to give him credit for talking diplomacy with Russia, then perhaps one should give credit to Dennis Rodman for his ability to do the same with North Korea.
You are correct.First of all, not all Trump supporters are poor or white or live in mobile homes or shop at Walmart.
I get that. I understand a bit about why these poor people voted for him.But when you think about it, poor people, including poor whites, do have reasons to support Trump, and they’re not necessarily illegitimate. Who, after all, has done anything for them in the last few decades? Nobody. Well, the very last thing was the Earned Income Credit, but that was Reagan’s. But for that, a lot of them would be in a world of hurt in the face of declining real wages for years.
I get that, too.So here comes Trump announcing his intention to improve job prospects in the U.S. and reduce competition for jobs from illegal immigrants, and anyone is surprised that “Walmart shoppers” like what he’s saying?
The Miss Universe pageant would be my guess.I don’t claim to be an expert on why Trump might be popular in Russia, .
I think I would want to see some compelling evidence of this before I believed it has anything to do with Trump’s popularity among poor “white” people.There’s a lot of poor white people not liking poor brown people and wanting them out of the way.
Could be. As I said, I don’t purport to any expertise in that.The Miss Universe pageant would be my guess.
politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-russia-moscow-miss-universe-223173
There could have been other things and promises.
But definitely better than Obama’s popularity in Russia. Or any other American for that matter.
washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/17/racism-motivated-trump-voters-more-than-authoritarianism-or-income-inequality/?utm_term=.e84a719ba801I think I would want to see some compelling evidence of this before I believed it has anything to do with Trump’s popularity among poor “white” people
For one thing, I have observed the admixture of “whites” and “brown” people. Around here, the “brown” people are mostly Mexican, although a lot of them aren’t “brown” at all. Most local Anglos and Mexicans get along just fine, and the more acclimated the latter become, the better the relationships get. Among other things, there are quite a few marriages between the two around here, although some of the older Mexicans and marriageable Mexican men resent whites who court “their” women. (notwithstanding that some of the Mexican males marry white women)
Central americans, at least around here, are much more inclined to stay within their own communities, though they get along with “whites” a lot better than they do with Mexicans.
I’ll tell you what “poor whites” (and “poor Mexicans”) resent. It’s when there are no construction jobs at all that pay decently, though they once did, and when you see a house going up, the laborers are all Hispanics who can’t speak a word of English and whose clothing was obviously not bought here, and are supervised by a bilingual Mexican who obviously picked them up on the street corners. “Legal” Hispanics can tell an illegal a mile off, much better than we can. And, at least among the “legal” Mexicans I know, they don’t appreciate those “casual labor slaves” any more than whites do.
But it might vary from place to place. It has to be realized that in much of the U.S. there have always been Hispanics. For a very long time, they were just “part of the population” and nobody thought anything about it. It has only been recently that there have been frictions. But even then, it has pretty much been a “first generation” thing arising out of self-imposed isolation. At the same time, I think “Americanization” of Mexicans has gone on for a long time too.
Interesting. But a nonsequitur.Again, with Central Americans, it is often different.
The “facts” sontains errors. They are also misding critical details of timeline and the one -ninth role of Clinton. You may persist in attempts at deception, false equivalences, and moral posturing. I will persist in exposing them.Let’s be serious about this.
It’s just a fact that Hillary Clinton acted in favor of Russian acquisition of U.S. uranium reserves. It’s also just a fact that she received $140 million dollars from Russia during that same period of time, much of it from some of the same people and entities involved in the uranium deal.
Do you think that Catholics should have supported Hillary Clinton? That does not makeI certainly am astonished and incredulous at Catholic Trump supporters, to be sure. It does not make sense to me.
And I was astonished at poor, white, mobile home dwellers/WalMart shoppers who voted for Trump, as Trump’s ideology and lifestyle is as far away from their lifestyle as possible…but I did hear a news report that said something like, “The people [elite, educated, professor-types, feminists liberals] who look down on me [mobile home dwellers] look down on this guy [Trump], so I’m going to vote for him!”
And that makes sense.
Oh, anecdotal evidence can be of at least some utility in the absence of any better information. And the three citations in your post don’t include good information.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/17/racism-motivated-trump-voters-more-than-authoritarianism-or-income-inequality/?utm_term=.e84a719ba801
vox.com/2016/9/19/12933072/far-right-white-riot-trump-brexit
amazon.com/Strangers-Their-Own-Land-Mourning/dp/1620972255
Interesting. But a nonsequitur.
And anecdotal to boot.
It is not my practice to report violations of the rules here. But I can make a start if you keep calling people liars or “moral posturers”.The “facts” sontains errors. They are also misding critical details of timeline and the one -ninth role of Clinton. You may persist in attempts at deception, false equivalences, and moral posturing. I will persist in exposing them.
Oh dear.It is not my practice to report violations of the rules here. But I can make a start if you keep calling people liars or “moral posturers”.
Bill Clinton was an accomplished liar, but he really said things most of the time, particularly when he was riled.
More.Oh dear.
Here’s that double standard again. “You can’t call people liars, but when I do it’s justified”.
It really is awful to think we’re being governed by that bunch. It’s worse to realize we’re likely to be governed by an adventurer and liar so polished Richard Nixon would admire her if he were alive today.
But she is liar and has been caught lying and therein lies the difference.More.
Let’s get them all out, PRmerger. I know you have searched the years for anytime I used a word like “liar”.More.
He missed the point anyway, Josie. I was referring to a poster calling another poster a “liar”. PRmerger had to search back to 2014 to find where I called Hillary Clinton a “liar”. On the way, he would have found many, many posts in which I complained about posters calling each other “liars”.But she is liar and has been caught lying and therein lies the difference.