Trying to understand marriage

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When you make statements like this what are we suppose to think? It lends me to believe you’re not ready for marriage. Now I didn’t think it, YOU said/wrote it. LOL.

But now ya ask the question, “how can I trust her not to break her vows?” Well how ya reckon you’re gonna find a young lady to trust, when you ain’t even sure you can keep those same vows yourself?.
It is called humility. The humility to know that you CAN make mistakes.

I chose to question myself, in order to make myself work hard
to MAKE SURE I do keep my vows.

If you still do not understand, then how can you advise me?

The bible says that the heart is treacherous “WHO CAN KNOW IT”

If you don’t understand me, mabey you can understand the bible.
 
Morwenna, thanks for posting that song. I really needed to hear that today.

OP, the truth is that you can never be certain that the person you love isn’t going to change in a way that you can’t accept. However, you can do your best to protect yourself against that chance by choosing someone who you can respect and admire in fundamental ways. Faith and morals are key. Beliefs that are at the core of their being and yours. If you disagree about fashion and where to spend Saturday evenings, you might have a few arguments. If you disagree about the importance of doing what you said you’d do and the role God plays in your lives, you’re opening the door to change in all the wrong directions. When you find someone whose values and faith you respect and admire even more than your own, I think you’ll know.

I have doubts about my relationship with my boyfriend. I wonder whether he’ll be happy if he immigrates to Canada to marry me. I wonder whether he’ll decide that he’d rather we have fewer children and be able to support the ones we have better. I wonder whether he’ll want to work in a dangerous job that will make me worry about him all the time. I wonder whether he’ll fall into a depression, get ill, be injured at work, or even die young. I didn’t “sign up” for any of those things, but they might happen. It’s a risk I’ll take.

However, I don’t wonder whether he’ll be chronically unemployed and unable to support us - I know his values would force him to take any menial job he can get to support his family. I don’t wonder whether he’d pressure me to get an abortion or get sterilized if we didn’t plan to have more children. I don’t wonder whether he’ll suddenly embrace a New-Age religion and start making astral projections. I don’t wonder whether he’ll start living a life of crime or visiting prostitutes. There are certain values he has that I have seen him living over the past 18 months, and those core values of his I know won’t change.

I guess you should decide what is important to you, and look for people who won’t do those things. You can never predict what life has in store for you, but you can put yourself in situations where the risk is lessened.

And you have to accept that no marriage is perfect. I’m fairly certain finances will always be a struggle in my future marriage. My boyfriend has a large family (7 siblings, plus extended family) in a third-world country, so I know we’ll always be getting phone calls asking for financial help. That’s life. There will always be a cousin who had an accident and can’t pay his hospital bill, and a niece or nephew who can’t scrape up this semester’s tuition. When you find someone you can consider marrying, consider what sort of problems you’re likely to have and enter your marriage with your eyes open. Communication and willingness to accept struggles are really important.
Yes Yes we are on the same page.
You know yourself well enough to know what you can and canot accept.

Now that I have someone on the same page with me I feel good!

You have made such a good post…where do I begin???

In chosing what you can and canot accept it seems you chose to date outside of the country…you must be a VERY open minded person because there are normaly always cultural differences.

I don’t mean to be offensive, by asking to many questions. But from your post I guage that we are simular.

Here is my question, It sounds like many men would meet your standard. By not having a chronic employment problem…not drawn to new age or any other drasticaly different religion.

18 months…pardon my asking…was he in your country for 18 months?

I am also not picky…there are few women that would be out of bounds. I am basicly looking for a spiritualy grounded woman, I would find wicca and tarrot cards and crystal balls etc…etc… unacceptable.

And a good mother, I don’t want to be always worried about if children are in danger of some kind from neglect,while Im working.

Anything else I think can be worked on in marriage.

To be blunt, a true Catholic woman would virtualy guarantee my happiness in marriage. But I am open to the possibility that she may be Orthodox or lutheran…etc…etc
I am also open to meeting someone outside the country.

Am I to open…what is to open…and what is to picky.
 
When I married my husband, it looked like we had everything going for us. We were able to communicate to each other, we had trust in each other. We had the same life philosophies, we had the same life experiences. I knew he was the one for me, and I placed all my trust in knowing in my heart that he would never disappoint me.

Then I “found out” he was an alcoholic. And he “found out” that I was bipolar. We had issues over my children from a previous marriage. Issues about faith and finances surfaced also. The communication broke down. The trust was starting to erode.

How was I suppose to know???🤷
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Through the grace of God, we are still together.  He's been sober now for nearly 7 years, and together, we worked on how to handle my mental illness.  Together, we've been working hard to insure that we keep tabs on our finances.  Though I've reverted back to the Faith and he has basically stayed agnostic, he's allowed me to grow and sees nothing but positive things in my new life.  We still deal with the kids, but we're more united now than ever before.

More than trust and honesty is having the fortitude to be committed to a relationship - and really meaning it.  It's so easy to let little things get in the way that when something big happens, the only way to deal with it is to abandon that person.  Like you, I've seen it time and time again with friends and other family members. 

Unlike you, I've had the benefit of seeing my parents survive over 47 years of marriage.  My sister and her husband will soon be celebrating 20 years of marriage - first and only marriage for both of them.  Though my first marriage failed, their shining examples gave me the strength and fortitude to stick it out with my current one - the other day, my husband expressed to me that no matter what happens, his commitment to me and our family is solid and he's ready for the long haul til death do us part.

God never gave us guarantees that life would be easy.  We'll probably in our lifetimes have more knocks against us than triumphs.  God however gave us abilities to handle such hardships.  They say there are not two people in a marriage but three:  the husband, the wife, and God. Trust in Him....and you'll be given the grace of strength to live out your vocation of marriage with confidence and fortitude.

God Bless.
 
BamaRider

You made a good point, about men over looking flaws. But that is complicated…very complicated.

Its not cut and dry.

I know…I know… just from that you think a person is not ready.

Anyway like I said…its not cut and dry, and yes if it wasent the internet I could explain it better.

However I to have seen this.

A persons strong points…and I don’t just mean outward appearance could be so strong that yes a man may change what he would normaly say was not acceptable.

For examle…meaning this is a story to prove a point BamaRider.

A man or woman can meet someone. who is great to talk to, and I mean you run the battery down on the phone talking and laughing enjoying conversation…having the same hobby…liking the same movies…music etc…etc…
This person could also be very physicaly attractive. The persons good qualities could be of the charts…however there may be spiritualy bad qualities that could be of the charts as well. You may see the person having to much to drink for example. Or you may see a wild side come out. Because of the persons many good traits, some chose to ignore things that can cause problems down the road.

I have sympathy for them, because that is such a hard situation.
 
When I married my husband, it looked like we had everything going for us. We were able to communicate to each other, we had trust in each other. We had the same life philosophies, we had the same life experiences. I knew he was the one for me, and I placed all my trust in knowing in my heart that he would never disappoint me.

Then I “found out” he was an alcoholic. And he “found out” that I was bipolar. We had issues over my children from a previous marriage. Issues about faith and finances surfaced also. The communication broke down. The trust was starting to erode.

How was I suppose to know???🤷
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Through the grace of God, we are still together.  He's been sober now for nearly 7 years, and together, we worked on how to handle my mental illness.  Together, we've been working hard to insure that we keep tabs on our finances.  Though I've reverted back to the Faith and he has basically stayed agnostic, he's allowed me to grow and sees nothing but positive things in my new life.  We still deal with the kids, but we're more united now than ever before.

More than trust and honesty is having the fortitude to be committed to a relationship - and really meaning it.  It's so easy to let little things get in the way that when something big happens, the only way to deal with it is to abandon that person.  Like you, I've seen it time and time again with friends and other family members. 

Unlike you, I've had the benefit of seeing my parents survive over 47 years of marriage.  My sister and her husband will soon be celebrating 20 years of marriage - first and only marriage for both of them.  Though my first marriage failed, their shining examples gave me the strength and fortitude to stick it out with my current one - the other day, my husband expressed to me that no matter what happens, his commitment to me and our family is solid and he's ready for the long haul til death do us part.

God never gave us guarantees that life would be easy.  We'll probably in our lifetimes have more knocks against us than triumphs.  God however gave us abilities to handle such hardships.  They say there are not two people in a marriage but three:  the husband, the wife, and God. Trust in Him....and you'll be given the grace of strength to live out your vocation of marriage with confidence and fortitude.

God Bless.
Thankyou for sharing that.
Sounds like you two have gone through the marriage hardships and chose to stick together.
How wounderfull!!

Im sorry to hear about your illness, and I hope all is well for you. But this is what I mean…your husband stuck with you…you stuck with him even though he had a problem with alcohol. You were married to him and his problems and his strengths.

The quality to stick together…how do you find THAT. How do you know that 10 years from now even
if one or both go through major changes…you will work through them.

That is a quality I am looking for.
you try to make sure you never change for the worst…but come what may…devorce is not an option…and growing apart is not aan option…having a husband and wife that hate eachother because they gave up 10 years ago is not an option.

Was there anything that let you know, he would never give up on you?
 
You can’t chose to avoid sommething you canot see…we canot see the heart.

Yes out of the heart the mouth speaks…but who quits and who works on marriages?

I have seen many problemes in many marriages…But some mates give up…they don’t communicate they don’t try…they don’t care.
Something happens and they change drasticaly from the person the other mate married.

How do you forsee and avoid this particular problem??
My parents were married for nearly 30 years before they got divorced. Somehow I doubt they had foreseen that coming when they first were married. Even growing up, I never saw it coming, not even when the seperated after about 15 years and “reconciled” after about 9 months of living apart. Hindsight being 20/20, yeah, I should have seen it coming. I’ve never had the courage to confront my father as to why this happened in our family (I’m pretty sure I know why though) and in some ways, I do blame myself for not be stronger at that time in my life to sit down with him and say “What’s going on?” Maybe nothing would have changed, but I have to live the rest of my life knowing I made no attempt to help them. That hurts.

I’ve been married for 9+ years to a wonderful woman and I’ve changed, my wife has changed, and our lives have changed. I have a wonderful son, who has many of the qualities I see in my wife. I would say my marriage right now is awesome, but at the same time probably not what I expected back then. I remember going to a marriage session(sorry, I forget what they call it) mandated by our Church to meet with a married couple and talk about married life, etc. I remember thinking, this is stupid and a waste of time. How wrong I was. They were right about so much, and maybe my marriage could have avoided a few small bumps in the road if I would have listened.

There are some things maybe you can do to avoid problems, but ultimately, you cannot predict future events completely. As the last poster stated, put your trust in Him.
 
**Excaliber…

it is perfectly ok to fear the risk involved in marriage. It is ok to wonder if you can trust another person forever. It is ok to realize that you yourself are not perfect and will not be a perfect spouse.

But after all of that you need to trust God. He is what gets people through rough times. He is what it takes to make a marriage work. Now if you search for a woman who puts God at the center of her life and that doesn’t change for anything you’ll be off to good start. That doesn’t mean that she can’t have a crisis of faith somewhere down the road, but if you also put God front and center you will know how to help her AND stay strong if your help doesn’t make a difference.

The books recommended earlier in the thread would be a great place for you to start!**
 
My parents were married for nearly 30 years before they got divorced. Somehow I doubt they had foreseen that coming when they first were married. Even growing up, I never saw it coming, not even when the seperated after about 15 years and “reconciled” after about 9 months of living apart. Hindsight being 20/20, yeah, I should have seen it coming. I’ve never had the courage to confront my father as to why this happened in our family (I’m pretty sure I know why though) and in some ways, I do blame myself for not be stronger at that time in my life to sit down with him and say “What’s going on?” Maybe nothing would have changed, but I have to live the rest of my life knowing I made no attempt to help them. That hurts.

I’ve been married for 9+ years to a wonderful woman and I’ve changed, my wife has changed, and our lives have changed. I have a wonderful son, who has many of the qualities I see in my wife. I would say my marriage right now is awesome, but at the same time probably not what I expected back then. I remember going to a marriage session(sorry, I forget what they call it) mandated by our Church to meet with a married couple and talk about married life, etc. I remember thinking, this is stupid and a waste of time. How wrong I was. They were right about so much, and maybe my marriage could have avoided a few small bumps in the road if I would have listened.

There are some things maybe you can do to avoid problems, but ultimately, you cannot predict future events completely. As the last poster stated, put your trust in Him.
I also would like to have been stronger when my parents broke up.

The marriage counseling…did you feel they were just getting in your buisness? Why didn’t you want to listen to them?

And I ask everyone the same question…could you tell that your wife would never give up on you, before you married her?
 
Yes Yes we are on the same page.
You know yourself well enough to know what you can and cannot accept.

Now that I have someone on the same page with me I feel good!

You have made such a good post…where do I begin???

In choosing what you can and cannot accept it seems you chose to date outside of the country…you must be a VERY open minded person because there are normally always cultural differences.

I don’t mean to be offensive, by asking too many questions. But from your post I gauge that we are similar.

Here is my question, It sounds like many men would meet your standard. By not having a chronic employment problem…not drawn to new age or any other drastically different religion.

18 months…pardon my asking…was he in your country for 18 months?

I am also not picky…there are few women that would be out of bounds. I am basically looking for a spiritually grounded woman, I would find wicca and tarrot cards and crystal balls etc…etc… unacceptable.

And a good mother, I don’t want to be always worried about if children are in danger of some kind from neglect, while I’m working.

Anything else I think can be worked on in marriage.

To be blunt, a true Catholic woman would virtually guarantee my happiness in marriage. But I am open to the possibility that she may be Orthodox or Lutheran…etc…etc
I am also open to meeting someone outside the country.

Am I too open…what is too open…and what is too picky?
No, you haven’t offended me by asking too many questions. I like talking about my relationship! 😃 Honestly, I think there are a large number of people with whom I could have a happy marriage. I’m kind of an optimist that way. I’m sure God brought me and my boyfriend together, but if it turns out we can’t stay together for whatever reason, I’m certain that another wonderful man will come along. I think I’m a pretty agreeable person, and I’m sure there are thousands of men whose values would match mine. I don’t exclude people from other countries in that number, just because it’s what I grew up with.

My parents are both immigrants to Canada, and almost nobody in my family married somebody who was born in the same country. It’s just what I’m used to. I’m living as an ex-pat (long-term foreign resident) in Korea, where I met my boyfriend. I don’t like North American-style dating, so I often considered dating someone from another country. I met my boyfriend here in Korea - we’ve known each other for 18 months, dating for 10 of those months.

He’s Filipino, which means that culturally he’s not too different from what I’m used to. Filipinos are very family-oriented (much more so than Canadians) and they work for money, not self-actualization. They also tend to be very devout Catholics.

I know what I want, and I don’t think it’s too picky. I don’t think it’s too open, either. My husband should be:

  1. *]masculine - assertive and a good leader, not afraid to make decisions or do what needs doing. (Yes, women can be like this too, but I see this as the “head of the household” thing.)
    *]confident and funny - this is just the personality I like to interact with.
    *]family-oriented - he should love the relatives he has, enjoy spending time with his family, and want to start a large family of his own.
    *]morally compatible - I want to respect him for his decisions, not question them. I want to be confident that if he were widowed and had to raise our children alone, I would have absolute trust in what he’d teach them.
    *]affectionate and demonstrative - I like to be told (explicitly and often) that he loves me. I want him to be open and honest about how he feels about me and the relationship. He used the “m” word and the “l” word in the first week we were dating. (Keep in mind we had been friends for 8 months first.) He let me know his intentions were honourable from the beginning. I like that.
    *]hard-working - capable and willing to hold down a job, even if it’s not what he wants to be doing. Willing to put in long hours at home and at work (as am I) for the benefit of the family and to meet our personal goals. He should also have compatible dreams for the future, and be willing to work toward them rather than just talk about them.

    I’m sure there are thousands of men who meet those “requirements”. However, I only need one, and I have him. 😃 And he’s Catholic and through him I am being brought to the Church, which was unexpected and eye-opening for me. 👍
 
**Excaliber…

it is perfectly ok to fear the risk involved in marriage. It is ok to wonder if you can trust another person forever. It is ok to realize that you yourself are not perfect and will not be a perfect spouse.

But after all of that you need to trust God. He is what gets people through rough times. He is what it takes to make a marriage work. Now if you search for a woman who puts God at the center of her life and that doesn’t change for anything you’ll be off to good start. That doesn’t mean that she can’t have a crisis of faith somewhere down the road, but if you also put God front and center you will know how to help her AND stay strong if your help doesn’t make a difference.

The books recommended earlier in the thread would be a great place for you to start!**
Thanks for your thoughts.
Yes there are books that Im going to read.Yes trusting in God will help a great deal.

But when you marry…you marry that person. 10 years later it dosent matter what the problems are. Point is you want a mate that will work through them rather then
give up on the marriage.

Ofcourse you WANT a good Catholic.And it is not likely that a person will go from good Catholic to wicca. But if they do, how do you secure the marriage.

How exactly do you see the quality
of never giving up?
 
No, you haven’t offended me by asking too many questions. I like talking about my relationship! 😃 Honestly, I think there are a large number of people with whom I could have a happy marriage. I’m kind of an optimist that way. I’m sure God brought me and my boyfriend together, but if it turns out we can’t stay together for whatever reason, I’m certain that another wonderful man will come along. I think I’m a pretty agreeable person, and I’m sure there are thousands of men whose values would match mine. I don’t exclude people from other countries in that number, just because it’s what I grew up with.

My parents are both immigrants to Canada, and almost nobody in my family married somebody who was born in the same country. It’s just what I’m used to. I’m living as an ex-pat (long-term foreign resident) in Korea, where I met my boyfriend. I don’t like North American-style dating, so I often considered dating someone from another country. I met my boyfriend here in Korea - we’ve known each other for 18 months, dating for 10 of those months.

He’s Filipino, which means that culturally he’s not too different from what I’m used to. Filipinos are very family-oriented (much more so than Canadians) and they work for money, not self-actualization. They also tend to be very devout Catholics.

I know what I want, and I don’t think it’s too picky. I don’t think it’s too open, either. My husband should be:

  1. *]masculine - assertive and a good leader, not afraid to make decisions or do what needs doing. (Yes, women can be like this too, but I see this as the “head of the household” thing.)
    *]confident and funny - this is just the personality I like to interact with.
    *]family-oriented - he should love the relatives he has, enjoy spending time with his family, and want to start a large family of his own.
    *]morally compatible - I want to respect him for his decisions, not question them. I want to be confident that if he were widowed and had to raise our children alone, I would have absolute trust in what he’d teach them.
    *]affectionate and demonstrative - I like to be told (explicitly and often) that he loves me. I want him to be open and honest about how he feels about me and the relationship. He used the “m” word and the “l” word in the first week we were dating. (Keep in mind we had been friends for 8 months first.) He let me know his intentions were honourable from the beginning. I like that.
    *]hard-working - capable and willing to hold down a job, even if it’s not what he wants to be doing. Willing to put in long hours at home and at work (as am I) for the benefit of the family and to meet our personal goals. He should also have compatible dreams for the future, and be willing to work toward them rather than just talk about them.

    I’m sure there are thousands of men who meet those “requirements”. However, I only need one, and I have him. 😃 And he’s Catholic and through him I am being brought to the Church, which was unexpected and eye-opening for me. 👍

  1. I like your optimistic view and attitude!!

    And I see you have looked for good qualities.

    Now for the hard question.
    How do you know the other person
    will stay committed to the marriage…REGARDLESS of how you or he could change in the future?

    Do you talk about that? is there a quality that you can look for?

    What I want is a person who will marry ME for ME and stick to me, And I marry her for her and stick to her and support eachother REGARDLESS of what the problem is.
 
I like your optimistic view and attitude!!

And I see you have looked for good qualities.

Now for the hard question.
How do you know the other person
will stay committed to the marriage…REGARDLESS of how you or he could change in the future?

Do you talk about that? is there a quality that you can look for?

What I want is a person who will marry ME for ME and stick to me, And I marry her for her and stick to her and support eachother REGARDLESS of what the problem is.
Well, we’ve talked about that. Right from the beginning, we talked about it. This is one issue that I struggled with at the beginning, because my boyfriend was in an invalid and annulled marriage before. The reason the marriage broke up is that she left. She abandoned their two children and left the marriage. This made me REALLY nervous - what if he didn’t tell me the whole story? What if it was some lack of commitment on his part that ended the marriage? What if, what if, what if?

His answer to me was that the only thing that would make him leave me was if I put our children in danger or was otherwise neglectful of the kids. All other faults can be forgiven, but me harming the children would be an automatic exit order for him. That I respect.

I don’t know if there’s a quality I can look for to ensure that he’ll stick to his word on that. I think this is something I have to trust him on. In 18 months he’s never broken a promise to me. He has always been true to his word, to me and to his friends. Even when his ex-wife calls him, he does not do or say anything misleading, even though they’re going through a custody battle and tempers are high. When he says that he promises to love me forever, to raise children with me and to grow old and retire with me, I acknowledge my fears and yet try to believe him.

I ask hypothetical questions - what if we were infertile? what if one of us were injured? what if you were denied permission to live in Canada? - to see whether our thoughts on those issues are compatible. Mostly I just trust. (I also won’t marry him until the custody issue is sorted out - if he doesn’t get custody, I don’t want to force him to choose between marrying me in Canada and seeing his children in the Philippines.) There comes a point when you just have to make a decision based on your imperfect information. I think I’m at that point.
 
I ask hypothetical questions - what if we were infertile? what if one of us were injured? what if you were denied permission to live in Canada? - to see whether our thoughts on those issues are compatible. Mostly I just trust. (I also won’t marry him until the custody issue is sorted out - if he doesn’t get custody, I don’t want to force him to choose between marrying me in Canada and seeing his children in the Philippines.) There comes a point when you just have to make a decision based on your imperfect information. I think I’m at that point.
This is a great example of how one would know when to make that decision. You owe it to yourself to explore all possibilities that could happen in a marriage, but then there comes a point where you have to decide. No marriage is perfect - if someone tells you that, they don’t know what marriage is. And there are no guarantees that all the preventative measure you take to diminish risks will be enough to sustain your marriage.

Catholics (at least here in the U.S.) are asked to complete either a pre-marriage course or counseling before getting the Sacrament. (It’s commonly known as Pre-Cana classes - in reference to the first miracle Christ performed at the wedding at Cana). The Church takes the marriage vocation seriously, just as they do a religious vocation. It’s our form of “risk-reducing,” so to speak.
 
A man or woman can meet someone. who is great to talk to, and I mean you run the battery down on the phone talking and laughing enjoying conversation…having the same hobby…liking the same movies…music etc…etc…
This person could also be very physicaly attractive. The persons good qualities could be of the charts…however there may be spiritualy bad qualities that could be of the charts as well. You may see the person having to much to drink for example. Or you may see a wild side come out. Because of the persons many good traits, some chose to ignore things that can cause problems down the road.
This is true, and a word to the wise.

In working and dealing with young firefighters in my career, I saw them make many mistakes in this area. Often bringing home very attractive women only to find out they can’t live with them a year later. Because I was married a long time, and in the twilight of my career they often came to me, “Lieutenant, my wife is suddenly acting crazy.” When in reality she is acting no differently then she did on day one.

But because of her physical side, they glossed over some her other attitudes and traits. Lets face it, most attractive women go through life, with a different set of rules then everybody else, it is what it is. Not their fault, a secualr society has made it that way.

I mean they get out of tickets, first in line, they get clerks to help them at Wal Mart, they can get a job typing 40 wpm when it requires 60, and on and on LOL.

I suggest recognizing your core principals and stand by them. Do not compromise on them, whatever they maybe. It could religion, how she handles money, her outlook on children, any number of things. Make a list of those things while you are NOT in a relationship (clear thinking) and don’t compromise on them, because if you do, it will cause you problems later, don’t dismiss them because of the physical side, that won’t be enough to hold the relationship together in tough times, which are sure to come.

Minor things are not a deal breaker, but enough of them added up are. Too many are hard to overcome.

A poster mentioned earlier she married a guy only to find out he’s a alcholic. Do what? I don’t know how that happens.

In the end you can’t be 100% sure, but just make a decesion based on your core of beliefs, it will give you something to work with. When you match in these key areas, it will help in rough times, which are sure to come
 
I second BamaRider, and will add my own observations.

When you meet someone you think could be “the one,” find out all their bad habits.Then decide if you can keep loving her in spite of them. Don’t assume that you can change the other person.

One reason my marriage is a good one is because I choose not to get resentful during football season, but just accept the fact that he can’t hear me until the commercial comes on. So we can joke about it, and I don’t get all pouty about being a “football widow.”

Your big worry about whether she will remain committed to the marriage is certainly valid. That’s why other posters - and I - say to look for someone who puts God first. If she does that, she will take her vows seriously, as a covenant between the two of you and God.

So, pray pray pray that God will make you the perfect husband for the perfect wife. Neither of you will be perfect humans, but you can be perfect for each other if you work at it!

Ruthie, still married to Mr. Right after 11 years!
 
I also would like to have been stronger when my parents broke up.

The marriage counseling…did you feel they were just getting in your buisness? Why didn’t you want to listen to them?

And I ask everyone the same question…could you tell that your wife would never give up on you, before you married her?
Getting in my business? No. But I did find at the time, their views (and even some of the views of the RCC) conflicted with some of my views and my wife’s views. Admittedly, I was very wrong about a lot of things during that time of my life.

From the moment I met my wife, I knew she was the one. But marriage is not without it’s ups and downs. You just have to work through them.
 
Well, we’ve talked about that. Right from the beginning, we talked about it. This is one issue that I struggled with at the beginning, because my boyfriend was in an invalid and annulled marriage before. The reason the marriage broke up is that she left. She abandoned their two children and left the marriage. This made me REALLY nervous - what if he didn’t tell me the whole story? What if it was some lack of commitment on his part that ended the marriage? What if, what if, what if?

His answer to me was that the only thing that would make him leave me was if I put our children in danger or was otherwise neglectful of the kids. All other faults can be forgiven, but me harming the children would be an automatic exit order for him. That I respect.

I don’t know if there’s a quality I can look for to ensure that he’ll stick to his word on that. I think this is something I have to trust him on. In 18 months he’s never broken a promise to me. He has always been true to his word, to me and to his friends. Even when his ex-wife calls him, he does not do or say anything misleading, even though they’re going through a custody battle and tempers are high. When he says that he promises to love me forever, to raise children with me and to grow old and retire with me, I acknowledge my fears and yet try to believe him.

I ask hypothetical questions - what if we were infertile? what if one of us were injured? what if you were denied permission to live in Canada? - to see whether our thoughts on those issues are compatible. Mostly I just trust. (I also won’t marry him until the custody issue is sorted out - if he doesn’t get custody, I don’t want to force him to choose between marrying me in Canada and seeing his children in the Philippines.) There comes a point when you just have to make a decision based on your imperfect information. I think I’m at that point.
You have gone through a lot, just while dating…that gives you a realistic view of eachother.

I am not very knowledgeable about marriage outside the country. Its not possible that you can marry, but he not be allowed in the country is it?? I have no idea
how that works?? Its not possible that you date for 18 months and he not be alowed in the country right? Im sure its not possible…I am just not knowledgeable on the matter.

Here I go getting in your buisness again…sorry in advance.
 
This is a great example of how one would know when to make that decision. You owe it to yourself to explore all possibilities that could happen in a marriage, but then there comes a point where you have to decide. No marriage is perfect - if someone tells you that, they don’t know what marriage is. And there are no guarantees that all the preventative measure you take to diminish risks will be enough to sustain your marriage.

Catholics (at least here in the U.S.) are asked to complete either a pre-marriage course or counseling before getting the Sacrament. (It’s commonly known as Pre-Cana classes - in reference to the first miracle Christ performed at the wedding at Cana). The Church takes the marriage vocation seriously, just as they do a religious vocation. It’s our form of “risk-reducing,” so to speak.
I like the idea of that Catholics do counseling first.Catholic standards are so high…but standards in America are sooo low.Dating is almosed a game in this country.
 
This is true, and a word to the wise.

In working and dealing with young firefighters in my career, I saw them make many mistakes in this area. Often bringing home very attractive women only to find out they can’t live with them a year later. Because I was married a long time, and in the twilight of my career they often came to me, “Lieutenant, my wife is suddenly acting crazy.” When in reality she is acting no differently then she did on day one.

But because of her physical side, they glossed over some her other attitudes and traits. Lets face it, most attractive women go through life, with a different set of rules then everybody else, it is what it is. Not their fault, a secualr society has made it that way.

I mean they get out of tickets, first in line, they get clerks to help them at Wal Mart, they can get a job typing 40 wpm when it requires 60, and on and on LOL.

I suggest recognizing your core principals and stand by them. Do not compromise on them, whatever they maybe. It could religion, how she handles money, her outlook on children, any number of things. Make a list of those things while you are NOT in a relationship (clear thinking) and don’t compromise on them, because if you do, it will cause you problems later, don’t dismiss them because of the physical side, that won’t be enough to hold the relationship together in tough times, which are sure to come.

Minor things are not a deal breaker, but enough of them added up are. Too many are hard to overcome.

A poster mentioned earlier she married a guy only to find out he’s a alcholic. Do what? I don’t know how that happens.

In the end you can’t be 100% sure, but just make a decesion based on your core of beliefs, it will give you something to work with. When you match in these key areas, it will help in rough times, which are sure to come
It is difficult for men, in america because sex is wayyy over emphasized. Women have pushup braws…high heals…perfumes…all sorts of color in there hair…paint on fingernails and toe nails… tight jeans and short dresses.
The mans sense of sight and smell
are overwhelmed by pleasant sensations. And his mind could be filled with the fairy tail that the telivision paints of a woman.

Now there is nothing wrong with beauty…but if all it is are makeup…perfume…etc…a man is headed for trouble when they marry and she dose not feel the need to look her best anymore.
 
I second BamaRider, and will add my own observations.

When you meet someone you think could be “the one,” find out all their bad habits.Then decide if you can keep loving her in spite of them. Don’t assume that you can change the other person.

One reason my marriage is a good one is because I choose not to get resentful during football season, but just accept the fact that he can’t hear me until the commercial comes on. So we can joke about it, and I don’t get all pouty about being a “football widow.”

Your big worry about whether she will remain committed to the marriage is certainly valid. That’s why other posters - and I - say to look for someone who puts God first. If she does that, she will take her vows seriously, as a covenant between the two of you and God.

So, pray pray pray that God will make you the perfect husband for the perfect wife. Neither of you will be perfect humans, but you can be perfect for each other if you work at it!

Ruthie, still married to Mr. Right after 11 years!
Football widow…LOL
If you tell him to explain the game so you can pick a team…I bet he will hear that…LOL

You are right…a devout Catholic would be ideal, someone trying to be like Holy Mary would be a dream come true.

Are nuns alowed to change vocations and get married LOL!!!
 
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