Trying to understand why Church allows baptism for children raised by gay couples

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I find it very sad that so many here look at Baptism as some sort of prize that only perfect, orthodox, parents can have instead of the supernatural gift of Grace from God for the good of the child. :cry:😒
 
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CilladeRoma said:
I find it very sad that so many here look at Baptism as some sort of prize that only perfect, orthodox, parents can have instead of the supernatural gift of Grace from God for the good of the child. :cry:😒
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The issue is the parents ability to carry out their duty of raising the child in the faith after baptism. I would have serious doubts that a non orthodox parent would raise their child properly in the faith.
 
I’m going to catch flak for this, but same-sex Catholic parents would be better off going to a liberal Episcopal parish rather than putting themselves and their child in an intolerable situation. If nothing else, the child will receive a valid baptism. And the parents would not be reviled. Rather, this couple could be involved in the child’s religious education and active in parish life. In the New York metro area, liberal parishes are the norm.
 
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The gist of my comment has nothing to do with same-sex couples ruining the Catholic Church. When Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4:17-18, He said:

“You are right when you say you have no husband. The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

Rather than chasing her away as unholy, He reveals himself to her as the Messiah (John 4: 25-26).

The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.” Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

Do same-sex couples rot the Church? The Church is full of people (bishops, priests, religious, and the faithful) who live in mortal sin. I’m sure you’ve read the examination of conscience before going to confession.

Here’s just one examination of conscience from the USCCB.

We must all cry out for mercy, just as the tax collector did in Luke 18:13.

But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’
 
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Yes, these parents should just acknowledge that their thinking is more in line with Protestantism and stop trying to ruin the Church from within.
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We are a Church of ruined sinners. That’s why we needed a Redeemer. We will never have a perfect Church here on Earth, for as long as it is populated with human beings, both laity and clergy.

If we don’t allow the most ruined sinners in our midst, even those working against the Church, then the Church is utterly pointless, it becomes a self-referential mutual self-adoration society instead of an instrument of salvation.

We need to stop worrying about dissenters, heretics, etc., and worry about our own conversions. Christ promised us that the gates of Hades would never prevail against His Church. He did not promise that it would be made up entirely of perfect, impeccable members.

If we actually have faith, we will believe Christ’s promise clearly stated in the Bible, and will be in a better position to worry less, and love more.
 
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Yes, these parents should just acknowledge that their thinking is more in line with Protestantism and stop trying to ruin the Church from within
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The fact that you think they’re “trying to ruin the Church from within” speaks volumes, honestly. Apparently they should be contrasted with all us Holy People whose you-know-what smells like roses after we get off the pot.
 
I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church. I was received into the Catholic Church 30 years ago.

In my Baptist youth, I received what’s known as the “believers baptism.” On my own, once I understood I was a sinner and needed Christ’s mercy, I was baptized. I think I was about 10 at the time. My parents’ merits had nothing to do with my baptism (although they did advise me about the right time to do it). I met with the pastor, who questioned me about my knowledge of Jesus, salvation, and baptism.

My baptism was done in obedience to Our Lord’s command. I was done with my old life and raised into the new. I wouldn’t trade my full immersion baptism for anything.
 
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@OraLabora & @Prodigal_Son

Bravo, my friends. Bravo!
This thread can be closed now. drop 🎤
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I’m not saying that I’m not a sinner – or that we’re not all sinners. It’s just that some people do seem to be bringing ruin on the church while proclaiming what good and holy Catholics they are. I’m certainly not good and holy yet myself, but I don’t go around saying how bigoted / backwards etc the church is.
 
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To punish the child and refuse his/her admittance into the Body of Christ because of his parents “sins” puts a dangerous precedent in place.
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Has anyone promoted doing it because if the sins if their parents?
 
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They haven’t adressed the part whether they should be baptized if the parents aren’t going to raise them in the Catholic faith.
 
Are we reading the same thread? 🤔:roll_eyes:

This original post is sets the tone, and there are many who agree that Baptism should only be done if the parents are “good” Catholics.

I know lots of good Catholic parents who failed in their duty to raise “good Catholic kids”.
Should we just stop Baptizing imfants and children and only Baptize adults? That seems to be the consensus here and that is a dangerous precedent to set and one the Church has never endorsed.
 
I’m not going to point fingers at specific people, but to be honest, it’s running pretty rampant in this thread.

You don’t have to scroll too far back to see it unfortunately. 😦
 
The Church will not be ruined. Don’t worry, Christ promised the Gates of Hades would never prevail.

If we can’t trust His promises, whose can we trust?
 
The measure is if there is hope they will be raised in the Church not assurance.
What has a baby done that she or he should be denied Baptism?
 
Ask your priest. It is not denying, it is delaying until the parents will raise the child Catholic. Otherwise it would be unjust to the child, according to the church. This is standard-issue Church teaching, not something I personally made up.
 
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I know that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, but I fear that many individuals will be led down the primrose path. If the Church is not clear about teaching Truth, then many will be confused and do bad things.
 
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