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Faith101
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I saw this recently…thought it would be nice to share.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9184353144432289069&q=islam
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9184353144432289069&q=islam
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ReflectHim
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mmmm…interesting
Howdy from that great state!
Howdy from that great state!
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Tristan_daCunha
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The documentary doesn’t give any numbers to quantify how many Americans are converting to Islam - although it does mention that Islam is the fastest growing religion.
I was surprised to hear the Baptist mother of one man say that she wondered if it wouldn’t have been easier to accept if he had told her he was gay, rather than tell her he was Muslim.
I am saddened that the people profiled in the documentary were unable to find fulfillment as Christians. But I think their embrace of Islam may help to overcome the hatred that many Americans feels towards Islam. And perhaps this is part of God’s plan.
I was surprised to hear the Baptist mother of one man say that she wondered if it wouldn’t have been easier to accept if he had told her he was gay, rather than tell her he was Muslim.
I am saddened that the people profiled in the documentary were unable to find fulfillment as Christians. But I think their embrace of Islam may help to overcome the hatred that many Americans feels towards Islam. And perhaps this is part of God’s plan.
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JimG
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I’m wondering what happens if the new wife which the Muslim convert imported from Morocco, decides, after a few years of Texas life, that she would like to become a Baptist.
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George_Waters
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I am not trying to start anything with you Faith101, but I am curious what do you believe is the relevance of this story? If we should not judge a religion on the actions of individuals, groups or nations why does this matter?
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Faith101
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George Waters:
I also hoped that it would change some people’s ideas about Muslims in general.
I saw it, i liked it, thought it would be nice to share with you guys, and get some feedback about what you thought.
I also hoped that it would change some people’s ideas about Muslims in general.
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George_Waters
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Fair enough.
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Lance
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My ideas about Islam are influnced more by the actions of Muslims in the middle east than by what a few people in Texas do. When the Palestinians elect Hamas as their majority I am lead to believe that a majority of Palestinians, an probably Muslims, support terrorist groups and really believe that Israel should be destroyed.
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a_cermak
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But that is to ignore a lot of history. Hamas got where it did by good works. It provided hospitals, clinics, food to those without work, etc. And Israel has not always even been kind to its Arab citizens, let alone the Palestinians.
And it is a Moslem belief that people have a right to fight against oppressors. If someone attacked your nation, and took your olive orchard, would you fight back and if you could not win, would you make every effort to ensure that whoever had it could never enjoy it in peace?
The largest problem Israel has had is that it never recompensed the people from whom it seized land. Had it provided just compensation and a passport to another nation (say US or UK), I think today we would see a large, peaceful Palestinian diaspora.
And to judge an entire religion based on the actions of people that belong to an entirely different cultural group probably doesn’t make sense. It is difficult to know whether they are acting because of their religion, or because of their culture, or perhaps because of their circumstance.
Pax,
Amy
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George_Waters
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Please remember the League of Nations gave Palestine to the UK to govern after the Ottoman Empire picked the losing side in WWI. The UN created Israel in 1948. Later Israel was attacked by Muslim nations and occupied the land of the aggressors. I would not really call that seizing land. Just my opinion though.
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a_cermak
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But that is to punish the individuals for the wrongs of the nation. And it isn’t allowed under the UN Charter. Even though Japan attacked us directly and we won the war, we wouldn’t have the right, under UN law, to move USA-ians to Osaka and set up colonies. You cannot augment your borders by taking over your neighbours, the law is clear on that.
Pax,
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Pax,
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Lance
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Hamas got where is is by suicide bombings. I don’t remember any Israelis blowing themselves up to kill Palestinians while they were shopping or eating in a restaurant. I remember lots of Palestinians doing so.
If Muslims want to fight why don’t they do so in civilized ways, not as terrorist? I would never become a suicide bomber because I believe they go to hell.
I judge Islam based on what Islamist do. They are fight in Indo-China, they fight in Africa, they fight in the Middle-East, the only places Islamist are peaceful is where they are in the minority. They cheer when something bad happens to Christians and cry prejudice when we call them what they are, if not terrorist themselves they back terrorist organizations.
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Lance
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By your logic, we have to return most of our western states to Mexico, give Puerto Rico back to Spain, we may even have to return much of the mid-west to France since the British took it from them and we took it form England. Do we have to return the land to the Indians?
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a_cermak
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But are the motivations of the Muslims fighting in Indo-China different or the same as those fighting in the Middle East? And which part of the Middle East? Is Africa different or the same? I get the feeling that in Africa it tends to be a Arab vs. African (darker skin) thing whereas in Palestine it’s about a specific situation, in Iraq, it’s different and not all the Moslems are fighting us (yet), in Russia, it’s different yet again. In Bosnia-Herzogovina it was about defending their lives.
I guess my perspective is quite a bit different from yours. I am Irish and my family was chased out of the County Fermanagh (part of the disputed territory) a few generations ago. For us, the IRA was a good thing. It was a body that would stand up for the dispossessed and bullied. Bobby Sands was a hero to our family. Now, the IRA was careful not to kill wantonly (though accidents will happen when you deal in bombs and plastic explosives).
It’s easy for people to condemn “terrorism” when they’re not being oppressed by a government that has the power to continue to oppress them to infinity. I might add that what Samson did–making the building collapse and killing all those inside–would today be defined as an act of terrorism.
Pax,
Amy
I guess my perspective is quite a bit different from yours. I am Irish and my family was chased out of the County Fermanagh (part of the disputed territory) a few generations ago. For us, the IRA was a good thing. It was a body that would stand up for the dispossessed and bullied. Bobby Sands was a hero to our family. Now, the IRA was careful not to kill wantonly (though accidents will happen when you deal in bombs and plastic explosives).
It’s easy for people to condemn “terrorism” when they’re not being oppressed by a government that has the power to continue to oppress them to infinity. I might add that what Samson did–making the building collapse and killing all those inside–would today be defined as an act of terrorism.
Pax,
Amy
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Lance
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I could not care less what their motivations are. If the Islamist have no motivation they will invent one. I am sick and tired of hearing about Islam is a religion of peace when anyone who watches the evening news or reads a paper know differently. You can look at the IRA in any light you wish, at the end of the day they were a terrorist organization. My wife is Sicilian and she will tell you that the Mafia did a lot of good in Sicily but they were still murderers and crooks. Hitler ended the depression in Germany, that does not make him a good or even nice guy.
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majick275
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How far back should we go to “right wrongs”? After all, The Persians and Babylonians took Israel away from the Hebrews so really the British just “gave it back”. Of course the Old Testament tells us that the hebrews had to take the land from its previous owners. If we restrict this to Islam, what did the caliphate take and should they give that back? I have a muslim friend (Shiite) who tells me that Iran is Americas best friend in the middle east and that tey would NEVER build nuclear weapons because they believe that’s a sin and they only attack military targets. I have seen otherwise in Iran today though. Wahabbists are obviously a problem but I think all Islam is a threat. I don’t want it in Texas because I saw what it did in Holland, France and Germany. We don’t need it.
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BubbaDean
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Did anyone else happen to check the other videos on that site and see the “hilarious” spoof of 20/20’s coverage of gay priests in the Catholic Church? I can’t believe a site which is trying to promote their beliefs would put up such a nasty video about others. I guess their message alone isn’t strong enough against the Catholics and they have to use such tactics.
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Lance
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You are right on target.
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a_cermak
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How far back? I would say the start of the United Nations because that’s when the international law recognized by all UN members began. That international law states that nations are of the size they are regardless of how many neighbours they conquer.
Looking at the muslims in Holland and France, you’re talking about immigrants. Again, the “other” with a different culture. To truly judge Islam, and only Islam, you would need to meet some normal USA-ians from your region of the USA that have converted–because then they would share the same root culture as yourself and have roughly the same circumstance.
I take it by saying you don’t want them in Texas, doesn’t mean that you would be fore civil penalties keeping people from converting or disallowing Moslem clergy from running missions in prisons etc right?
Pax,
Amy
Looking at the muslims in Holland and France, you’re talking about immigrants. Again, the “other” with a different culture. To truly judge Islam, and only Islam, you would need to meet some normal USA-ians from your region of the USA that have converted–because then they would share the same root culture as yourself and have roughly the same circumstance.
I take it by saying you don’t want them in Texas, doesn’t mean that you would be fore civil penalties keeping people from converting or disallowing Moslem clergy from running missions in prisons etc right?
Pax,
Amy
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George_Waters
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I am afraid to say Amy that individuals are always punished for the wrongs on the nation. We did occupy Japan, Germany and Austria for years. I see what you are saying and I agree that Israel probably should have ended it’s occupatation long ago and settlements are not right. However, the Muslim nations that attacked Israel need to accept responsibility for creating the situation in the first place.
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