TV: Jon & Kate + 8

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What StatusRose and I are saying is that it isn’t a big deal if Ma Duggar wants to quit nursing at 6 mos; it’s not a big deal to have the older children help out (they should). The problem here is a mother passes off most responsibility of the youngest starting at 6 mos so she can focus on trying to have another baby/attend to other things. Sorry if some of you think it is a “quip” (nowhere close, try looking up the definition). Want evidence of it, go look up interviews they’ve given.
 
When you have that many kids like the Duggars, you almost have to be “businesslike” in running things. I take exception to her passing the youngest off so she can think about having the next one. I think she should think about the ones she already has and raising them. And if she truly believes it’s meant to happen that she have more, she should just let that “happen”
I would like to know how she decides who gets to take care of the newest.And does she ask them if they “mind”? Helping out in a large family is ok ( I was one of 7). But if it were me and my mom said I "had " to take responsibility of something that should be hers, I would be more than a little upset. Being a mother is more than just giving birth. It encompasses a whole lot more as any mom here can attest to.

Kathy
 
I just watched them. Kate? If you can’t say something nice… So I’ll just stop now. :rolleyes:
 
Eggnotz said:
I just watched them. Kate? If you can’t say something nice… So I’ll just stop now. :rolleyes:
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Jon and Kate are perfectly normal to me. It’s funny when my parents argue over coupons. They sound just like Jon and Kate! :rotfl: (My mom has a personal vendetta against dirt, too. :D)
 
Kate is a perfect example of how to be an emotionally abusive mother. The money they’re exploiting their kids for is going to be paying for their therapy when they’re older.
 
Hobble said:
Kate is a perfect example of how to be an emotionally abusive mother. The money they’re exploiting their kids for is going to be paying for their therapy when they’re older.
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I think TLC focuses on those dramatic moments. It would be a bit presumptuous to think that the hyperactive screaming goes on all the time. (Even my mom get into a little tizzy about coupons with my dad, for example, but it doesn’t mean they do that all the time). Yes, I also had to have every inch of dirt scrubbed from my room, my bedsheets just so, clothes folded in the right manner and direction, but I think I turned out ok. 😛 Different people have different parenting methods (mine spanked a bit more, though - my timeout corner was by the back door next to the fridge - facing the corner. :D).
 
Jennifer_G said:
I think TLC focuses on those dramatic moments. It would be a bit presumptuous to think that the hyperactive screaming goes on all the time. (Even my mom get into a little tizzy about coupons with my dad, for example, but it doesn’t mean they do that all the time). Yes, I also had to have every inch of dirt scrubbed from my room, my bedsheets just so, clothes folded in the right manner and direction, but I think I turned out ok. 😛 Different people have different parenting methods (mine spanked a bit more, though - my timeout corner was by the back door next to the fridge - facing the corner. :D).
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I don’t find their discipline. But she seems to be very unstable, and unstable around her children. Sometimes she’ll act very arrogant towards them and tear them down over little things, which I think will harm their self-esteem. Or she’ll make scenes over ridiculous things, like one episode I recall when they were at a train station and she was freaking out because she was nervous about “standing behind the yellow line”, which in turn was scaring the children. Just from observation she seems to have some deep routed issues, and she’s letting it harm her kids.
 
Hobble said:
I don’t find their discipline. But she seems to be very unstable, and unstable around her children. Sometimes she’ll act very arrogant towards them and tear them down over little things, which I think will harm their self-esteem. Or she’ll make scenes over ridiculous things, like one episode I recall when they were at a train station and she was freaking out because she was nervous about “standing behind the yellow line”, which in turn was scaring the children. Just from observation she seems to have some deep routed issues, and she’s letting it harm her kids.
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At times Kate is harsh, but she’s a long way from unstable. I think they deliberately put her on camera when she is the most harried. I admire her courage in allowing them to film when she has bad moments. She looks at the films and tries to do better. As for exploiting her children, I don’t see that at all. She doesn’t force the kids to perform for the camera. The money they receive from the show allows the children to have a more stress free life.
They don’t have to worry about where their next meal is coming from or if they are going to find enough money to buy the kids new shoes.

She tends to run her house like a teacher would run a classroom.
With that many children the same age, I don’t feel like I’m in any position to judge her.
 
Galnextdoor said:
She tends to run her house like a teacher would run a classroom.
With that many children the same age, I don’t feel like I’m in any position to judge her.
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And that would make sense given there’s 6 kids that are the same age, plus two that are a little bit older. You probably have to be a bit more strict, or they’ll all gang up on you. Having 6 kids of different ages (my one great-grandmother had 7 - my grandmother and 6 brothers!) makes it easier since all of the kids are on different schedules. (and in the old days - 1900s and earlier, once they hit 14, they were ready to move out)
 
Is anyone going to watch the show on Monday by any chance. It’s so sad the direction their lives seem to have taken. 😦
 
Irish_Kathy said:
Is anyone going to watch the show on Monday by any chance. It’s so sad the direction their lives seem to have taken. 😦
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I think it’s sad too, Kathy. I feel bad for the kids, they are stuck in the middle of this whole mess. But I also think that the whole ‘Jon’s having an affair’ thing is a publicity stunt. I really do think that. Why do I think that? I’m not sure but I think that other ‘real’ actors/actresses have pulled that kind of junk to try to boost the ratings for a new movie, show, etc. I told someone I thought that it was all a publicity stunt and carefully plotted out, and they disagreed w/ me. So I guess only time will tell (or who knows, we’ll probably never know the ‘truth’).😉 Will I be watching Monday? Probably not, I can read about it the day after instead of helping boost the ratings.
 
mamacita said:
But I also think that the whole ‘Jon’s having an affair’ thing is a publicity stunt. I really do think that. Why do I think that? I’m not sure but I think that other ‘real’ actors/actresses have pulled that kind of junk to try to boost the ratings for a new movie, show, etc. I told someone I thought that it was all a publicity stunt and carefully plotted out, and they disagreed w/ me. So I guess only time will tell (or who knows, we’ll probably never know the ‘truth’).😉 Will I be watching Monday? Probably not, I can read about it the day after instead of helping boost the ratings.
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I’m not sure if it’s a publicity stunt, but maybe it’s something done by TLC. When J&K+8’s Season 4 finale ad aired, that seemed to be the start of all of the rumors. I love watching the show, but I wouldn’t be too sad to see it go just to give them a break. Besides, when the little kids start 1st grade, there won’t be as much to film.

There does seem to be a few firsts in this episode, though. New interview set (beige walls), and you actually see the kids have friends over (not just extended family/close friends) for their birthday party (something you really didn’t see before).
 
Given the way Kate treats Jon on the show, the miracle is that they’ve lasted this long. Three seasons ago, I watched a few episodes and commented to my husband, “Well, it won’t be long before it’s Jon Minus Kate Plus Eight”.

I just can’t wrap my head around disrespecting and condescending to my husband like that on national television. Why/how could you do that to the man you love? Mind you, I’m not saying that he doesn’t have faults of his own. Just that her treatment of him on TV is a terrible example of how married people should treat each other. It won’t surprise me at all if they break up for good. It’s sad.
 
lovemysix said:
Given the way Kate treats Jon on the show, the miracle is that they’ve lasted this long. Three seasons ago, I watched a few episodes and commented to my husband, “Well, it won’t be long before it’s Jon Minus Kate Plus Eight”.

I just can’t wrap my head around disrespecting and condescending to my husband like that on national television. Why/how could you do that to the man you love? Mind you, I’m not saying that he doesn’t have faults of his own. Just that her treatment of him on TV is a terrible example of how married people should treat each other. It won’t surprise me at all if they break up for good. It’s sad.
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I’ve only seen a few shows, but during an episode I do recall saying to myself, “She certainly does talk to him as if he’s one of the children.” Not that their relationship is any of my business, but I was certainly put off by the dynamics of their marriage.
 
mamacita said:
I think it’s sad too, Kathy. I feel bad for the kids, they are stuck in the middle of this whole mess. But I also think that the whole ‘Jon’s having an affair’ thing is a publicity stunt. I really do think that. Why do I think that? I’m not sure but I think that other ‘real’ actors/actresses have pulled that kind of junk to try to boost the ratings for a new movie, show, etc. I told someone I thought that it was all a publicity stunt and carefully plotted out, and they disagreed w/ me. So I guess only time will tell (or who knows, we’ll probably never know the ‘truth’).😉 Will I be watching Monday? Probably not, I can read about it the day after instead of helping boost the ratings.
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I agree, this has been my thought also. I don’t think anyone was having an affair, I think that the tabloids did start a story about this, but the show is just running with it to make a good first episode.

We will see.
 
In the beginning, when Jon and Kate did their interviews, they sat close to each other and
smiled at one another. After several seasons they began to lean away from each other, and Jon would say a lot of unkind things about Kate. Kate started to say unkind things about Jon. The smiling stopped and the quirky, funny Kate disappeared. She seemed to feel that all the family responsibilities were dumped on her, while Jon was quietly off doing his own thing with one or two of the kids. While he was away from her, he would make somewhat derogatory remarks about her. She in turn became more rigid and demanding, while Jon was off in another room smirking or rolling his eyes.
There were 4 shows left in the last season when Jon was caught in a bar with a female athletic team. This second time could be to hype the new season. It is so sad. I feel sorry for the children. They have to wonder what’s going on. No matter how hard they try to shield these kids, the kids are going to be the losers in all of this.
 
Galnextdoor, I agree with most of what you just said. The body language on that couch said a lot about how their relationship was going.
 
sweetcharity said:
Galnextdoor, I agree with most of what you just said. The body language on that couch said a lot about how their relationship was going.
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Hi Sweet Charity 👋 You are so right about that. Their body language truely has changed. I also wonder what the custody situation would be if they actually got a divorce. Jon would probably end up with the boys. Kate would end up with the younger girls. But I wonder what would happen to Maddie and Carra. I can’t imagine them being split up to make things even.
 
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