TV: Lost - Season 5

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That’s sort of what I was referring to in my previous post even though I didn’t give any details like you did. The thing that struck me was when he referred to Thomas and the “others” instead of Thomas and the apostles.
To be fair, I’ve heard the term “others” used to describe the Apostles by priests during various homilies and by hosts on various EWTN programs. There’s nothing wrong with that.
And the fact that the Church is sitting on top of a Dharma station called the “Lamppost”–it seems like they are trying to make a mockery out of religion.
How so? Maybe I’m overlooking something, but how does the name Lamp Post make a mockery of religion?
Of course, don’t forget the Season 2 episode where the Smoke Monster killed Echo because he refused to confess & repent of his murders.
To be fair, we don’t know why the Smoke Monster killed Echo.
 
I assumed the “lamppost” was a reference to CS Lewis Chronicles of Narnia. The Lamppost was how the children knew how to find the wardrobe to get back home.
 
I assumed the “lamppost” was a reference to CS Lewis Chronicles of Narnia. The Lamppost was how the children knew how to find the wardrobe to get back home.
Good call! It makes sense since they have the character Charlotte Staples Lewis (in reference to Clive Staples Lewis, AKA C.S. Lewis). There must be some Narnia fans amongst the Lost writers.

Come to think of it, the Island in Lost really is a lot like Narnia in several ways. Does that mean Jacob is like Aslan? :o 😉
 
I assumed the “lamppost” was a reference to CS Lewis Chronicles of Narnia. The Lamppost was how the children knew how to find the wardrobe to get back home.
That’s exactly what I thought…👍
 
So I guess Ben is the bad guy after all, just as I assume most expected. What surprises me is that Whitmore is the good guy but I still don’t think he is a good guy.

Actually they probably are both evil but it is just a matter of who is more evil at a given time.
 
So I guess Ben is the bad guy after all, just as I assume most expected. What surprises me is that Whitmore is the good guy but I still don’t think he is a good guy.

Actually they probably are both evil but it is just a matter of who is more evil at a given time.
:dts: Ben probably killed Penny.
 
So I guess Ben is the bad guy after all, just as I assume most expected. What surprises me is that Whitmore is the good guy but I still don’t think he is a good guy.

Actually they probably are both evil but it is just a matter of who is more evil at a given time.
I don’t think we know anything more than we did before about the motivations of either character.
 
:dts: Ben probably killed Penny.
Did I miss something, or are you speculating about what probably will happen? I don’t remember Penny getting killed (though, of course, Ben did promise Widmore that he would do so).
I don’t think we know anything more than we did before about the motivations of either character.
I’m with you here. I think it’s still up in the air. We still have no idea why Ben killed Locke at the mention of Eloise’s name. Nor do we know if we can take Widmore at his word (that he only wants to help Locke take the role of leader).
 
Ben broke my heart last night! 😦 But we don’t know his true motivations, afterall Richard told Locke he had to die. Maybe he “couldn’t” commit suicide…🤷
Whidmore…I don’t know what to think about him anymore!

Penny…I’m wondering what happened to Ben. When he “had things to take care of”. I assumed he meant his “promise” to Whidmore. Then he calls Jack from a payphone near the marina/dock…Penny, Charlie, and Desmond live on a boat. But then…why was he all bloody and hurt?
 
Ben broke my heart last night! 😦 But we don’t know his true motivations, afterall Richard told Locke he had to die. Maybe he “couldn’t” commit suicide…🤷
Whidmore…I don’t know what to think about him anymore!

Penny…I’m wondering what happened to Ben. When he “had things to take care of”. I assumed he meant his “promise” to Whidmore. Then he calls Jack from a payphone near the marina/dock…Penny, Charlie, and Desmond live on a boat. But then…why was he all bloody and hurt?
Oh yeah! :doh2:

Ben probably went off to kill Penny but got caught by Desmond (who then proceeded to wail on him). The question is, did Ben succeed in his mission before Desmond’s arrival?
 
What a crazy ride it’s been!

Ben – last night was a turning point for me. He’s always been an evil genius – the kind you secretly root for. Even like. And even though you see him manipulating everyone, you kind of think (or at least hope) that he’s the good guy. But after killing Locke, it’s going to take a lot to convince me that he’s good.

Widmore – so is he the good guy now? He seemed like a hot-head at 17 and a jerk w/ Desmond. Maybe it is a case that they (he & Ben) are both the bad guys?

Caesar – is that his name? Who is this guy? When we first saw him behind Jack in line at the airport, I asked my wife the same question. I thought we’ve seem him before somewhere. And finding a map of the island but lieing about it. And the gun.

Matthew Abaddon – we’ve seen him before and now we find out he works for Widmore. But all of that raises the question of his last name. We know what it means, but what does it mean?

Hilarious when we see Locke trying to convince people. Hurley thinks he’s dead. No big deal. Then he finds out he’s alive (asking the nurse was hilarious) and freaks out. Kate asking him about loving someone and when Locke finishes his story talking about obsessing, Kate replies “and look how far you’ve come”.😃

Also when the new survivors are asking him questions and he’s being pretty honest. And now that I think of it, he kept his promise to Jin. I thought for sure he had just gone down the path of being a Ben.

One of the funniest lines of last week – “I think you can let go now” {Miles to Sawyer holding the rope}

Walt – that looks like the same kid. What are they going to do if they ever need a flashback? He seems to grow a foot a season!

Eloise – what’s her interest?

Ben – who beat him up?

We still get to see how Sayid and Kate (maybe Frank too?) get to be on the plane. I loved Kate’s line last week to Jack “just because we’re all here doesn’t mean we’re together”

This season has been incredibly violent to me.

Still loving the ride though!
 
What a crazy ride it’s been!

Ben – last night was a turning point for me. He’s always been an evil genius – the kind you secretly root for. Even like. And even though you see him manipulating everyone, you kind of think (or at least hope) that he’s the good guy. But after killing Locke, it’s going to take a lot to convince me that he’s good.
I’m not going to argue that he’s “good.” But his comments on St. Thomas doubting the resurrection certainly make me wonder if he expects John to return to life once he arrives on the island. Does Ben kill Locke for an attempt at personal gain or to help John fulfill his destiny? This is what makes Ben such a great character. We’re never sure what’s going on with him.
Widmore – so is he the good guy now? He seemed like a hot-head at 17 and a jerk w/ Desmond. Maybe it is a case that they (he & Ben) are both the bad guys?
Remember what happened when Widmore’s mercenaries got to New Otherton? No. Widmore is not the good guy. Ben was not lying when he said that Widmore’s intent was to kill everybody on the island… unless Keamy and his team were operating way beyond their mandate. How many innocent 815 survivors were killed at New Otherton anyway? And how about Rousseau, Carl and Alex?

It’s quite possible that both Ben and Widmore are bad guys. Perhaps our people are the restoration. One blogger has suggested (in a LOTR analogy) that Widmore parallels Sauron; Ben parallels Gollum; Locke parallels Frodo, the ringbearer. Which would make our friends part of the Fellowship of the Ring. It’s an interesting analogy. I’m not sure how far I believe it. But I’d guess that Widmore is the ueber bad guy, with Ben as a twisted man who careens wildly between nearly-good and deep evil.
Caesar – is that his name? Who is this guy? When we first saw him behind Jack in line at the airport, I asked my wife the same question. I thought we’ve seem him before somewhere. And finding a map of the island but lieing about it. And the gun.
It has been suggested in the Twittersphere that he is working for Widmore, trying to help Widmore find the island.
Eloise – what’s her interest?
She is almost certainly Ellie - the girl with the gun. This would make it doubly amusing in that she had the gun pointed at her own future son!
Ben – who beat him up?
He’s calling from the Marina. He presumably made an attempt on Penny. I’d say he was beaten up by Desmond… or possibly Penny fighting for her life.
This season has been incredibly violent to me.
More so than last season, with the mercenaries?
 
I agree that Whidmore IS a bad guy. He is only invested in himself and getting what he wants, no matter who he hurts (he wants the island).

I like the analogy from LOTR! It’s like the Island is the ring. If been is Gollum…I can see that…if he is then all he wants is also his “precious”. He can be good but when the thought of maybe getting it back comes, he’s willing to kill for it. Like it demented him beyone all hope, because he wasn’t strong enough to carry it or be the “bearer”.
 
Was anyone else bored tonight? I don’t care for where the stroy is going now. Though it will be nice to fill in some of the many missing gaps.
 
I thought tonight’s episodes was one of the best ever.
I enjoyed it very much as well. I definitely was not bored. Can’t wait for next week! 😃

(actually, I just remembered it won’t be on again until two weeks from now :()
 
That’s good for you then. I think I just don’t like prequels and that kind of stuff. But I do wonder if they are going to try and stop Ben from gassing everyone now or if they will make peace with Richard and change history even though that is not supposed to happen.
 
That’s good for you then. I think I just don’t like prequels and that kind of stuff. But I do wonder if they are going to try and stop Ben from gassing everyone now or if they will make peace with Richard and change history even though that is not supposed to happen.
I was wondering that, too. They said it’s 1974, which means 3 years later is 1977. Would Ben be on the island, yet? How old would he be? I think they would have to wait a while before they get to the point where he gases the Dharma Initiative, but I could be wrong.

I’m also wondering whether Ben and Locke and the survivors of Flight 316 are in 1977 (with Sawyer, Jack, Kate, et al) or in 2008, the year that they were in before the crash.

And where are the other survivors of Flight 815? Are they in 1977, too? It would seem difficult for them to have also been on the island for the three years betwee 1974 and 1977 without being discovered by either the Others or the Dharma Initiative.

I imagine that things will jump back to the present day at some point, but this allows the survivors to experience the Dharma Initiative first hand.
 
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