Two bombs explode in Derry

[Paddy1989]

Police in Northern Ireland have launched a huge security operation after two bombs detonated in Northern Ireland’s second largest city, Londonderry.

The police have accused Irish Republican Army (IRA) dissidents of placing the bombs and have reported no injuries so far.

The two bombs exploded within ten minutes of each other in streets near the largest shopping center in Londonderry, which is locally known simply as Derry.

The bombs went off on Thursday 19 January, one day before a court issues judgement in the trial of two suspected IRA dissidents accused of killing two British soldiers back in 2009.

Moreover, earlier this week, Northern Ireland’s police discovered a pipe bomb in the capital Belfast, which they claimed had been planned to be thrown at them while they were dealing with a fire nearby.

British army experts defused a car bomb targeting a soldier in Northern Ireland Friday, an attack claimed by nationalist militant group Oglaigh na hEireann

The recent bombings in Northern Ireland have raised great concerns as the country has seen an upsurge in the number of bombing events. The police continue to point the finger at dissident republicans.

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[Leegal]

Police in Northern Ireland have launched a huge security operation after two bombs detonated in Northern Ireland’s second largest city, Londonderry.

The police have accused Irish Republican Army (IRA) dissidents of placing the bombs and have reported no injuries so far.

The two bombs exploded within ten minutes of each other in streets near the largest shopping center in Londonderry, which is locally known simply as Derry.

The bombs went off on Thursday 19 January, one day before a court issues judgement in the trial of two suspected IRA dissidents accused of killing two British soldiers back in 2009.

Moreover, earlier this week, Northern Ireland’s police discovered a pipe bomb in the capital Belfast, which they claimed had been planned to be thrown at them while they were dealing with a fire nearby.

British army experts defused a car bomb targeting a soldier in Northern Ireland Friday, an attack claimed by nationalist militant group Oglaigh na hEireann

The recent bombings in Northern Ireland have raised great concerns as the country has seen an upsurge in the number of bombing events. The police continue to point the finger at dissident republicans.

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Wish I had a solution. Of course, the solution is to allow those 6 counties to reunite with the Republic of Ireland, which I’m sure the protestants don’t want nor will they allow. Seems there’s no reason for it to remain in the U.K.

So very sad. Michael Collins thought he got the best deal he could and that once the 6 counties could not self-sustain they would be reunited with the Republic. He was wrong. 100 years later and it still goes on.

 

[domandcarols]

Praying for the people of Northern Ireland. This is a terrible situation. I feel so bad for the Catholics of N.I. They’ve gone through so much pain and death. It’s shameful what the British have done in their country.

 

[SaintPatrick333]

While I don’t support the IRA’s methods I do support the IRA’s cause. Ireland belongs to the Irish. That includes the six counties of Northern Ireland. Even Great Britain’s Prime Minister had called Northern Ireland a drain on the economy once because of the financial crisis (not sure how valid this statement was) but I just don’t understand it. If the british are tired of paying it, and the Irish are tired of them being there, why not give it back to the Irish? I mean heck, all it really comes down to is lines on a map. It’s not like all the british companies would have to up and leave, just the military. Great Britain would still be making enough money and they could bury this bloody war and create peace for ONCE. But noooo, the protestants don’t like the idea of living in Catholic Ireland (though sadly the faith is rapidly declining right now since, thanks to america and human weakness, secularization is rampant with shows like mtv and ghetto music and everything else that leads people away from God and into sin). Even the Beatles sang that song about giving Ireland back to the Irish. And the Beatles ARE Great Britain. Plain and simple. This should be case closed.

 

[Paddy1989]

While I don’t support the IRA’s methods I do support the IRA’s cause. Ireland belongs to the Irish. That includes the six counties of Northern Ireland. Even Great Britain’s Prime Minister had called Northern Ireland a drain on the economy once because of the financial crisis (not sure how valid this statement was) but I just don’t understand it. If the british are tired of paying it, and the Irish are tired of them being there, why not give it back to the Irish? I mean heck, all it really comes down to is lines on a map. It’s not like all the british companies would have to up and leave, just the military. Great Britain would still be making enough money and they could bury this bloody war and create peace for ONCE. But noooo, the protestants don’t like the idea of living in Catholic Ireland (though sadly the faith is rapidly declining right now since, thanks to america and human weakness, secularization is rampant with shows like mtv and ghetto music and everything else that leads people away from God and into sin). Even the Beatles sang that song about giving Ireland back to the Irish. And the Beatles ARE Great Britain. Plain and simple. This should be case closed.

David Cameroon said not long ago and other British minister’s have said the same in the last few year’s that the reason why they don’t want to leave is for fear that if Britain get’s even smaller then they will become less influential in world affair’s such as the UN. It therefore still admit’s that imperial interest’s are what motivate them. The draconian law’s the British have over here is only making thing’s worse. As long as Britain remain’s here there will be resistance to it and rightly so

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

The dissidents are the reason that Ireland will take even longer to be reunited. In the 70’s and 80’s there were splits in tactics amongst IRA members. Many believed that attacks should only be focused on the British military and not Protestants since they’d all have to live together eventually. Others (like today’s dissidents) saw the British military and all who support them as their enemies. Its the attitude of that 2nd group that makes Protestants leery of being part of any Catholic nation.

There exists under the Good Friday Agreement a viable peaceful path to reunion with Ireland. To not use it is, imho, immoral.

 

[Paddy1989]

The dissidents are the reason that Ireland will take even longer to be reunited. In the 70’s and 80’s there were splits in tactics amongst IRA members. Many believed that attacks should only be focused on the British military and not Protestants since they’d all have to live together eventually. Others (like today’s dissidents) saw the British military and all who support them as their enemies. Its the attitude of that 2nd group that makes Protestants leery of being part of any Catholic nation.

There exists under the Good Friday Agreement a viable peaceful path to reunion with Ireland. To not use it is, imho, immoral.

That is not true at all. In 1969 the IRA split over the issue of recognizing the 26 county free state, the OIRA (official IRA) who were heavily marxist and secularist decided to recognize Irish free state institution’s and the British assembly in the North of Ireland (Stormont) as being legitimate and wanted to work alongside them. The PIRA (Provisional IRA) who were heavily Catholic Distributist’s believed that this compromise would never work and would only result in so called Republican’s helping enforcing British rule in Ireland under the label of trying to liberate it. The Provisional’s were right thus they continued the Republican tradition forward and the OIRA later faded away. Protestant’s were never target’s by the IRA. The IRA launched a military campaign against British force’s alongside an economic bombing campaign against Britain in the North of Ireland and in Britain. Your point about British force’s and all who ACTIVELY support them whether working for them etc is true for BOTH catholic’s and protestant’s. Religion has nothing to do with it

I will stress however that some protestant’s were killed in several operation’s however Republican’s as a whole disagreed with this and this simply happened as a reaction to Loyalist death squad’s with the help of MI5 killing innocent Catholic’s. It still doesn’t justify it but it was a different time, loyalist’s ONLY killed innocent Catholic’s, the IRA had no interest in any sectarian war and tried it’s best to stay out of it taking out Loyalist gang leader’s only if the had to. The IRA’s only goal is to secure a 32 country Republic free from British tyranny. The IRA today are no different, over the year’s it is true there has been a resurgence resulting in many attack’s injuring and killing British force’s and bombing’s however NO civilian’s have been killed as they are NOT target’s and many attempted attack’s were abandoned due to risk of civilian causalities. The IRA more than what can be said for Britain recognises morality in war, yes there may have been time’s in the past when civilian’s were killed mostly accidently in operation’s and even some purposely but this was in time’s such as internment when you had thousand’s of Catholic’s being jailed for no other reason than being Nationalist’s. I have no doubt there were some individual’s filled with bitterness and anger against a state that oppresses them so much but as i said the IRA’s goal’s are clear and that’s what they have always aimed to achieve

The Good Friday agreement is Britain deciding what condition’s Ireland get’s it sovereignty. Tell me what right does a Nation that shouldn’t be here in the first place have in dictating to the Irish people when they can have freedom

 

[domandcarols]

God bless you, Paddy, I’m praying for your people to be free.
I see you’re from Derry. Some of the bravest martyrs were from Derry, God be praised. :’)

 

[Kaninchen]

Now, while I’m of the opinion that England should dump all the others at the first possible opportunity, I wonder just how many Catholics in Northern Ireland actually want to leave the UK and join the republic?

 

[Kaninchen]

It would be a curious answer to the Irish question if the result of disengagement ended up with huge numbers of Catholics from Northern Ireland joining the many millions of those Irish or Irish by descent living in England.

 

[Paddy1989]

You must understand that in 1916 the Irish State ( 32 county Republic) was declared a REALITY. One which all Republican’s adhere to, the Free State which was formed later by the Brit’s on the one hand claim’s allegiance to this proclamation yet on the other insult’s it and those who died for it by recognizing British sovereignty here as legitimate. How many million did that same Free State which is in economic turmoil pay to bring the Queen here shutting down part’s of cities just to facilitate for her and her security. Bringing this Head of State of Britain to the Garden of Remembrance, an area which remember’s Republican’s who fought for Irish freedom across the 32 counties yet her Nation still insult’s these men and women by continuing to occupy the North.

How many million’s is this Free state pumping to fight against IRISH Republican’s who resist British occupation in the North while your social condition’s get much worse with gang problem’s and lack of funding to deal with the rising poverty in deprived area’s. Where do you think these politician’s head’s are at. With the Republican’s who died and those who continue it’s ideology or with the Global elite centralizing power and influence away from the people. Look across the world, it’s the same with so many nation’s today including the US, they care little for ideology but merely use it in emotional debate’s to get support from the people. These so called Irish men and women are not Masculine men or feminine women but weakling’s who on their knee’s desire to be ruled over by Eurocrat’s, they do not believe we Irish can sort our own problem’s and constantly are looking else such as the EU to sort out our problem’s

 

[Paddy1989]

God bless you, Paddy, I’m praying for your people to be free.
I see you’re from Derry. Some of the bravest martyrs were from Derry, God be praised. :’)

Thank You, i’m glad those in the US haven’t been duped by the Pro Brit propaganda which flood’s every TV screen and mainstream newspaper

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

That is not true at all. In 1969 the IRA split over the issue of recognizing the 26 county free state, the OIRA (official IRA) who were heavily marxist and secularist decided to recognize Irish free state institution’s and the British assembly in the North of Ireland (Stormont) as being legitimate and wanted to work alongside them. The PIRA (Provisional IRA) who were heavily Catholic Distributist’s believed that this compromise would never work and would only result in so called Republican’s helping enforcing British rule in Ireland under the label of trying to liberate it.

I wasn’t referring to that. I was referring to internal divisions, not external. I don’t remember all the details but its laid out pretty interestingly in Ed Maloney’s A Secret History of the IRA.

Protestant’s were never target’s by the IRA.

Really? The 1976 Kingsmill attack is blamed on the PIRA, despite the claim of another named group performing the massacre. And the Stronge murders at Tynan Abbey? According to Ed Maloney and others, the reprisal policy of the PIRA changed after such events that by the mid-80’s most reprisal plans were not approved.

Outside of reprisal issues with Protestant paramilitaries, there was the whole issue of careless civilian casualties and the gravely immoral “proxy bombers.”

I didn’t say that there was a dedicated campaign to attack Protestants but I don’t think its remotely accurate to say it “never” happened. But rather how to deal with issues like civilian casualties, proxy bombers, and reprisal matters were indeed contentious issues in the PIRA and Sinn Fein.

The IRA launched a military campaign against British force’s alongside an economic bombing campaign against Britain in the North of Ireland and in Britain. Your point about British force’s and all who ACTIVELY support them whether working for them etc is true for BOTH catholic’s and protestant’s. Religion has nothing to do with it/

Never claimed otherwise.

 

[Paddy1989]

I wasn’t referring to that. I was referring to internal divisions, not external. I don’t remember all the details but its laid out pretty interestingly in Ed Maloney’s A Secret History of the IRA.

Really? The 1976 Kingsmill attack is blamed on the PIRA, despite the claim of another named group performing the massacre. And the Stronge murders at Tynan Abbey? According to Ed Maloney and others, the reprisal policy of the PIRA changed after such events that by the mid-80’s most reprisal plans were not approved.

Outside of reprisal issues with Protestant paramilitaries, there was the whole issue of careless civilian casualties and the gravely immoral “proxy bombers.”

I didn’t say that there was a dedicated campaign to attack Protestants but I don’t think its remotely accurate to say it “never” happened. But rather how to deal with issues like civilian casualties, proxy bombers, and reprisal matters were indeed contentious issues in the PIRA and Sinn Fein.

Never claimed otherwise.

These were operation’s carried out by individual’s which most Republican’s such as i myself disagree with, alot of people still think it was effective however in stopping the loyalist gang killing’s of innocent Nationalist’s as it soon stopped in this area shortly afterward’s. Today however is much different as all attack’s are aimed at British force’s and it’s institution’s here which is what it should be

 

[AdTheBad1]

Northern Ireland stays or goes as Northern Ireland pleases. They are not held against thier collective will. But rather, remain a barnacle on both Irish and British arses. Neither of whom desire the responsibility for these peoples (Scots and Irish with some English descendants).
Probably the best solution would be a U.N.mandate upheld and policed by the U.S.A. This may focus your attention towards the likes of paddy1989 (who is probably hungrily anticipating plenty american dollars in the noraid collection tin if they can kick it off again) when they are murdering american troops or police.
You people make me want to throw up with your self indulgent blood thirtsiness.
For goodness sake, grow up and get a life.

I repeat, The Northern Irish peoples are free to do what they vote for, its democracy.

GET IT?

cakeofcustom.blogspot.com/2011/11/constitutional-status-of-northern.html

Ireland won legislative independence from Britain in 1782-3, under “Grattan’s Parliament”, but this ended with the union of 1801. The Act of Union, passed by the British parliament in 1800, is still on the statute book. It provided that

the said kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland shall, upon the first day of January which shall be in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and one, and for ever after, be united into one kingdom, by the name of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

This statutory provision may be considered the root of title for British sovereignty in Northern Ireland. British sovereignty was reasserted by section 75 of the Government of Ireland Act 1920. It was this Act which partitioned the island of Ireland and established the entity of Northern Ireland, as of 3 May 1921. The status quo was reaffirmed more recently by section 1 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998:

1.— Status of Northern Ireland.
(1) It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section....
(2) But if the wish expressed by a majority in such a poll is that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland, the Secretary of State shall lay before Parliament such proposals to give effect to that wish as may be agreed between Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom and the Government of Ireland.

 

[Paddy1989]

Northern Ireland stays or goes as Northern Ireland pleases. They are not held against thier collective will. But rather, remain a barnacle on both Irish and British arses. Neither of whom desire the responsibility for these peoples (Scots and Irish with some English descendants).
Probably the best solution would be a U.N.mandate upheld and policed by the U.S.A. This may focus your attention towards the likes of paddy1989 (who is probably hungrily anticipating plenty american dollars in the noraid collection tin if they can kick it off again) when they are murdering american troops or police.
You people make me want to throw up with your self indulgent blood thirtsiness.
For goodness sake, grow up and get a life.

I repeat, The Northern Irish peoples are free to do what they vote for, its democracy.

GET IT?

cakeofcustom.blogspot.com/2011/11/constitutional-status-of-northern.html

Ireland won legislative independence from Britain in 1782-3, under “Grattan’s Parliament”, but this ended with the union of 1801. The Act of Union, passed by the British parliament in 1800, is still on the statute book. It provided that

the said kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland shall, upon the first day of January which shall be in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and one, and for ever after, be united into one kingdom, by the name of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

This statutory provision may be considered the root of title for British sovereignty in Northern Ireland. British sovereignty was reasserted by section 75 of the Government of Ireland Act 1920. It was this Act which partitioned the island of Ireland and established the entity of Northern Ireland, as of 3 May 1921. The status quo was reaffirmed more recently by section 1 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998:

1.— Status of Northern Ireland.
(1) It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section....
(2) But if the wish expressed by a majority in such a poll is that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland, the Secretary of State shall lay before Parliament such proposals to give effect to that wish as may be agreed between Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom and the Government of Ireland.

It is not democracy, let me tell you what happened. In 1919 the people of Ireland as ONE unit voted democratically against British rule however many residing mainly in the North East of Ireland of about 3 counties were unionist’s and against such a thing. Britain in 1921 cut out 6 counties and declared it British and even at that time threatened for all 9 counties of Ulster however they later withdrew this. Minister Lloyd George wrote to Lord Carson in 1916 : ‘We must make it clear that Ulster does not, whether she wills it or not, merge with the rest of Ireland.’ The people of all Ireland were given no say. This sparked a civil war as the Irish people were against such a thing, they didn’t believe Britain had the right to divide the country whenever the people voted against it’s rule here as ONE Nation. It would be like if Liverpool was to Vote to become an independent State or let’s say any region in England at all. Of course such a thing is against it’s constitution and can’t be done as we all know. Well in 1916 with the proclamation all Irish Nationalists claimed their allegiance to such a thing which is exactly the same, no foreign power has the right to cup of pieces of a Nation according to it’s will.

Since 1921 here in the North right up till several year’s ago Gerrymandering was widely used by unionist’s in area’s such as Derry for example where Nationalist’s were the clear majority however they maintained control. Also what are you talking about taking responsibility for the people, it’s obvious Britain care’s less other than it’s imperialistic stranglehold however the Irish people see Ireland as one unit and always have done. The responsibility of the North of Ireland is just like the South, East, and West which lye’s with the Irish people themselves and no-one else and this is what we desire.

 

[Paddy1989]

Northern Ireland: a Product of Gerrymandering – not Democracy
Tonight The Pensive Quill carries a piece by guest writer Liam o Ruairc, which featured previously in the Sovereign Nation.

Over the past few months the Belfast Newsletter ran a series of opinion pieces on ‘Union 2021’ to mark the forthcoming one hundred anniversary of the creation of ‘Northern Ireland’. On the horizon is thus not just the centenary of the Easter Rising in 2016 but importantly also that of partition in ten years time. This provides the opportunity to restate the Republican case against partition and the existence of ‘Northern Ireland’. It is not a matter of ‘irredentism’ as Paul Bew and Henry Patterson attempt to portray it. It is fundamentally an issue of democracy. As democracy is the essence of Republicanism, for Republicans the problem is first and foremost that ‘Northern Ireland’ is a product of gerrymandering and not democracy. It is based on a sectarian headcount to maintain supremacy, not equality. It is not based on consent but on coercion. It is not based upon the rule of law but on a system where normal rules of justice can be circumvented.

It was imposed by the British state, not created by the will of the people. It was established by a 1920 British Act of Parliament for which no one in Ireland ever voted. What the British government thought of democracy can be summed by what Prime Minister Lloyd George wrote to Lord Carson in 1916 : ‘We must make it clear that Ulster does not, whether she wills it or not, merge with the rest of Ireland.’ The people of all Ireland were given no say. The partition of Ireland is not even based on the wishes of the people within the partitioned area. Along the actual border areas were included where the majority wished to be on the other side of the line. There are even some indications that the Unionists did not want partition. Some historians like Clare O Halloran argue that some sort of partition was inevitable. However, it was the British government which chose the way in which Ireland was to be divided and imposed this by force. It is inconceivable that negotiations between Republicans, Nationalists and Unionists would have produced the same settlement, especially of the British state had been out of the equation. The primary responsibility for partition lies with the British government and ‘Northern Ireland’ is kept in existence only by British guns and finance.

It is sometimes argued that partition was legitimate because a majority in ‘Northern Ireland’ wished to remain part of the United Kingdom. But one has to draw a line where the majority for partition begins and where the majority for partition ends. The only recognised constitutional entity until 1920 was the 32-county Ireland. It recognised itself as a constitutional entity prior to Henry II although it had difficulties in establishing a central government. (on this see Christopher Maginn, Contesting the sovereignty of early modern Ireland, History Ireland, November-December 2007) It was governed as an entity for 750 years under English rule. It was the parliament of Ireland that passed the Act of Union in 1800, and it was never suggested that the 32-county Ireland disintegrated itself by enacting the Union. It was governed as a distinct entity under the Union right through until 1920 when the British government over-ruled the democracy of Ireland and split the country. There are therefore serious grounds to take the 32-county Ireland as being the legitimate unit for self-determination. Howevere the historical, geographical or national basis to justify the existence of ‘Northern Ireland’ are more questionable. The six-county ‘Northern Ireland’ is not the nine-county Ulster and there is little that makes its population distinctive from the rest of the island (also not all protestants in Ulster consider themselves to be British or Unionists). To take ‘Northern Ireland’ as a legitimate unit for self-determination has little political, geographic or historic logic. On that basis, if six counties have the right to secede from the thirty-two, then there is no reason why counties Fermanagh, Tyrone and Armagh couldn’t drop out of ‘Northern Ireland’ ! Finally the aggregate verdict is the normal means of assessing an electoral contest so even if a ‘majority’ in the North wished to remain part of the United Kingdom this lacked democratic legitimacy.

 

[Paddy1989]

In fact ‘Northern Ireland’ did not demand self-determination, it was created to deny self-determination. ‘Northern Ireland’ was created and maintained through the threat of violence and denial of democracy. Its origin was a sectarian head-count as John Whyte explains : « For the border was so drawn as to corral within it not only almost all areas with unionist majorities, but also considerable areas with nationalist ones. If the county is taken as the unit, there were at the time of partition unionist majorities in only four of the six counties of Northern Ireland. If some smaller unit had been chosem then parts of Tyrone and Fermanagh might have been reclaimed for unionism, but considerable parts of other counties would have been lost to nationalism…(Unionists’) only worry was how much territory they would be able to control. The idea that it might be unjust to ask for more territory than was actually unionist apparently never entered their heads. The fact might be used by their critics to argue that unionists sought , not equality, but supremacy. » (John Whyte, Interpreting Northern Ireland, Oxford University Press, 1990, pp.163-164) On that basis, one can seriously challenge the idea that « there is nothing inherently reactionary about…a national frontier which puts Protestants in numerical majority. » (Paul Bew, Peter Gibbon, Henry Patterson, The State in Northern Ireland, Manchester University Press, 1979, 221)

As a result of this the people of Ireland were denied their rights as a majority and an undemocratic system of artifical majority and artificial minority was set up. What made partition ‘legitimate’ was that a majority in the North wanted it when partition had created this majority in the first place ! (therefore artificial ) But since democracy is usually equated with majority rule (something Martin Mansergh would probably call outdated majoritarian thinking), many would argue that it would be undemocratic to force the Unionists, who are now a majority in ‘Northern Ireland’ into a united Ireland without their consent. What this argument ignores is precisely the artificial nature of this ‘majority’. Prior to partition Unionists constituted a minority within the whole population of Ireland. The very existence of ‘Northern Ireland’ is due to the British government and Unionists’ refusal to accept the results of majority rule in Ireland as a whole. To attempt to legitimise that refusal Unionists had to be transformed into a ‘majority’. This was achieved by creating ‘Northern Ireland’ whose borders were deliberately chosen to exclude counties which were predominantly Nationalist and Republican. In this new state Unionists thus enjoyed a clear majority. The fact that within ‘Northern Ireland’ Unionists can outvote Nationalists and Republicans is simply an outcome of the way in which its borders were fixed at the time of partition and says nothing about the justice or democratic nature of their case. The principle of consent for constitutional change only refers to consent within the six counties against the will of the majority of the people of Ireland and has therefore dubious democatic credentials.

The artificial majority set about building ‘a Protestant state for a Protestant people’, a state built on discrimination and bigotry. While ‘Northern Ireland’ was formally democratic, as an entity where more than a third of its population contested its legitimacy, it could not function as a normal democratic state. It was an exceptional state relying on special powers, sectarianism and electoral fraud for its survival. The Nationalist experience of the creation of ‘Northern Ireland’ is an equivalent of the Palestinian experience of ‘Nakba’. Nationalists became an artificial minority and were long treated as second-class citizens. ‘Northern Ireland’ was based on coercion not consent. It is not based upon the rule of law but on a system where normal rules of justice can be circumvented. Many civil liberties taken for granted in other Western countries have always been severely restricted in the six counties. From the moment of its birth, ‘Northern Ireland’ has been in a state of more or less continuous emergency where civil liberties have been severely curtailed. The British state has dispensed with the ‘normal’ process of law and had used ‘special powers’ of arrest, detention, internment without trial and remand procedures. It has used extra-legal methods of ‘shoot to kill’ to eliminate political opponents, collusion, censorship, torture, inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners, abolished trial by jury. All these have been documented by international human rights bodies and organisations. Legal constraints on security forces are minimal. Today, security forces have almost unlimited powers to stop, search, arrest and detain whoever they chose. No-jury courts and ill-treatment of suspects are still commonplace.

 

[AdTheBad1]

If what you post is true of the modern situation, and I doubt it is.
Why are Jerry Adams and Martin McGuiness etc not raising merry hell?
Shami Chakrabati would be all over it like a rash.

Also isnt the nationalist course a little outmoded,since:

1. It would appear that the E.U is now the overlord in the ROI, owing the Germans vast amounts of dosh and having to submit its budget to the EU for approval for instance and closer political union waiting in the wings as a prerequisite for staying in the project.
2. In most western countries, global and corporate interests have trumped nation interests at every turn.

What do you want to do with this pesky democratic majority who dont vote how you think they should?
Would the ROI, and more importantly the EU, want you as citizens. The UK sure as fiery hell…doesn’t.
Can you become independant as part of Scotland when they go, would that be alright?

The reality is that the method of seccession is there for you.
Friggin use it.

 

[Paddy1989]

If what you post is true of the modern situation, and I doubt it is.
Why are Jerry Adams and Martin McGuiness etc not raising merry hell?
Shami Chakrabati would be all over it like a rash.

Also isnt the nationalist course a little outmoded,since:

1. It would appear that the E.U is now the overlord in the ROI, owing the Germans vast amounts of dosh and having to submit its budget to the EU for approval for instance and closer political union waiting in the wings as a prerequisite for staying in the project.
2. In most western countries, global and corporate interests have trumped nation interests at every turn.

What do you want to do with this pesky democratic majority who dont vote how you think they should?
Would the ROI, and more importantly the EU, want you as citizens. The UK sure as fiery hell…doesn’t.
Can you become independant as part of Scotland when they go, would that be alright?

The reality is that the method of seccession is there for you.
Friggin use it.

Gerry Adam’s and Martin McGuiness have compromised their position so much over the last few year’s that you could hardly call them republican, by them accepting Stormont (The British Assembly here in the North) as legitimate they have bit by bit give and shown more support for British institution’s here including condemning attack’s on British force’s. This has happened with many Republican’s in Irish history with figure’s such as de valera who was at one time in a senior position of the Republican movement and the IRA to where in the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s he ordered the execution of his former comrade’s in the IRA who continued the struggle and who refused to compromise. A sad state of affair’s i know. Also i agree that the EU is simply an imperialistic institution intent with Nation’s such as the US with Globalization but how long will this last, hopefully as many are now predicting the EU will collapse. As Catholic’s we know this Secular Globalisation Evil is merely temporary. Also what are you talking about will the ROI want us, as i said no Nationalist in Ireland recognises division in the country as being legitimate. Quite simply the VAST majority of this country as one unit doesn’t recognise British legitimacy in Ireland and see it as unjust. The only thing i say some are worried about is how Loyalist’s will act when a United Ireland come’s as many fear the worst again where they butcher innocent families